Joe Biden a good President

[Jazzman1218]

Migration is a very complex issue. Those who choose to blame any one person, like Biden or Mayorkas, are uninformed, sometimes willfully so, and short-sighted.

Migrant encounters at the Southern border began to rise in 2019. Migration fell in 2020 because borders were closed due to COVID. After COVID migration surged. The migrants are largely families trying to escape violence, crime, and economic & political upheaval in their countries. Globally migration to rich countries is at an all time high. It's a worldwide problem. Much of the migration at the Southern border is driven by criminal groups engaging in human smuggling.

The US needs to fix its broken immigration system as well as secure our borders. We are capable of doing both but unwilling due to politics. The proposed bipartisan Senate bill begins to address the problem, but it's not a complete solution - no bipartisan bill is. However doing nothing, as advocated by MAGA republicans and trump, for partisan political reason achieves nothing but a continuation of the the crisis at the border.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Close to election time and the Dems are now seeking help for an issue they caused and they they will claim they fixed it.
As for the " families " escaping poor conditions, a portion of an article.
A remote part of the Arizona border is being overrun by a massive surge of mainly adult male migrants from across the globe, including countries in Africa and the Middle East -- just as the state's Tucson Sector has seen record numbers of crossings in recent days.Dec 5, 2023

All for immigration but do it properly as many who did are still waiting to enter. This is both the US and Canada

 

[Jazzman1218]

Close to election time and the Dems are now seeking help for an issue they caused and they they will claim they fixed it.
As for the " families " escaping poor conditions, a portion of an article.
A remote part of the Arizona border is being overrun by a massive surge of mainly adult male migrants from across the globe, including countries in Africa and the Middle East -- just as the state's Tucson Sector has seen record numbers of crossings in recent days.Dec 5, 2023

All for immigration but do it properly as many who did are still waiting to enter. This is both the US and Canada

The proposed Senate bill was a bipartisan effort led by the very conservative Republican Senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford. Democrats did not cause the worldwide migration crisis, but are trying to address our border crisis. Democrats made many concessions, some progressives argue too many concessions, to reach a consensus with Republicans in the Senate. It is trump and MAGA Republicans that refuse to take a win. They want the border crisis to continue, unaddressed and unresolved, purely for partisan political reasons.

 

[ThunderLipps]

. It is trump and MAGA Republicans that refuse to take a win. They want the border crisis to continue, unaddressed and unresolved, purely for partisan political reasons.

Let's take politics out of this completely. Say you have a company and one of your ideas to fix a problem needs approval from a competitor and he shuts you down, calling you a racist and various other names to block you. 4 years later the issue you tried to fix ballooned and your competitor asks for your assistance to do the same thing you wanted to do, would you help him?

 

[Fradi]

Migration is a very complex issue. Those who choose to blame any one person, like Biden or Mayorkas, are uninformed, sometimes willfully so, and short-sighted.

Migrant encounters at the Southern border began to rise in 2019. Migration fell in 2020 because borders were closed due to COVID. After COVID migration surged. The migrants are largely families trying to escape violence, crime, and economic & political upheaval in their countries. Globally migration to rich countries is at an all time high. It's a worldwide problem. Much of the migration at the Southern border is driven by criminal groups engaging in human smuggling.

The US needs to fix its broken immigration system as well as secure our borders. We are capable of doing both but unwilling due to politics. The proposed bipartisan Senate bill begins to address the problem, but it's not a complete solution - no bipartisan bill is. However doing nothing, as advocated by MAGA republicans and trump, for partisan political reason achieves nothing but a continuation of the the crisis at the border.

Same old story anything not going well is the fault of MAGA Republicans.
This is becoming like a broken record.
Typical leftist reaction everything they fuck up has to be someone else’s fault, when will anyone of them take responsibility of almost 4 years of incompetence and having a bumbling senile old fool as a leader.
Trump is a despicable human being and probably crooked as hell but he still makes a better President than Bidet who belongs in a care facility.
Bidet has probably been the worst President the US has ever had, a completely incompetent pussy that nobody in the world is afraid of or takes seriously,
Time for the Dems to trot out a new worthwhile candidate and retire the old senile one to pasture.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Time for the Dems to trot out a new worthwhile candidate and retire the old senile one to pasture.

Been hearing a couple of times that Michelle Obama will be thrown into the ring. That would be as bad as Oprah running.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Let's take politics out of this completely. Say you have a company and one of your ideas to fix a problem needs approval from a competitor and he shuts you down, calling you a racist and various other names to block you. 4 years later the issue you tried to fix ballooned and your competitor asks for your assistance to do the same thing you wanted to do, would you help him?

Well that's both a ridiculous argument and unhelpful in resolving the problem. Dems and some Senate Republicans are trying to address the border while trump and MAGA extremists want the dysfunction at the border to continue. The immigration system is broken and new legislation is desperately needed.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Same old story anything not going well is the fault of MAGA Republicans.
This is becoming like a broken record.
Typical leftist reaction everything they fuck up has to be someone else’s fault, when will anyone of them take responsibility of almost 4 years of incompetence and having a bumbling senile old fool as a leader.
Trump is a despicable human being and probably crooked as hell but he still makes a better President than Bidet who belongs in a care facility.
Bidet has probably been the worst President the US has ever had, a completely incompetent pussy that nobody in the world is afraid of or takes seriously,
Time for the Dems to trot out a new worthwhile candidate and retire the old senile one to pasture.

Deflect, project, and let all the bile out. I strongly disagree with everything you have written.

 

[Fradi]

Deflect, project, and let all the bile out. I strongly disagree with everything you have written.

Nothing like not taking any kind of responsibility of the shit show Presidency of the past almost 4 years.
Much easier to keep blaming the previous one and Republicans for everything wrong in the US as if they were not Americans also and from a different planet.
This division and way of thinking is what is deplorable In the US.
It is not about the common good anymore but only what you can do to put an obstacle in the other parties way for 4 years so that you will have something to blame them for next election, in this regard there is no difference between either party.

 

[ThunderLipps]

Deflect, project, and let all the bile out. I strongly disagree with everything you have written.

Deflection is what the Left is all about north and south of the border. Something happens against the Dems in the US and all the sudden a new charge against Trump appears. The medias also back the Dems, do a search Biden deflections and what comes up is articles about Trump, same applies for other searches towards Biden.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Nothing like not taking any kind of responsibility of the shit show Presidency of the past almost 4 years.
Much easier to keep blaming the previous one and Republicans for everything wrong in the US as if they were not Americans also and from a different planet.
This division and way of thinking is what is deplorable In the US.
It is not about the common good anymore but only what you can do to put an obstacle in the other parties way for 4 years so that you will have something to blame them for next election, in this regard there is no difference between either party.

Do you realize what you are describing is the 4 chaotic and inept trump years and the associated dysfunctional and extremist GOP? No, I'm sure you don't so trying to educate or debate with you would be untenable and unavailing. We continue to disagee on everything, and I suspect we always will.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Deflection is what the Left is all about north and south of the border. Something happens against the Dems in the US and all the sudden a new charge against Trump appears. The medias also back the Dems, do a search Biden deflections and what comes up is articles about Trump, same applies for other searches towards Biden.

Deflection, projection, division, demagoguery, hypocracy, whataboutism and flat out lying are in the DNA of MAGA Republicans. Whatever trump and MAGA are called out for right-wingers reflexively claim Biden and the Dems are doing the same, or worse. Trump's 4 indictments and 91 criminal counts are the result of his actions and his actions alone. Now can we please return to the topic of this thread - Joe Biden a good president.

 

[CaptRenault]

Whatever you think of Biden's policies that have led to wild increases in illegal immigration, crime and prices, it is clear that he is not physically and mentally fit to serve another term as president. The American people overwhelmingly agree with that assessment.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Whatever you think of Biden's policies that have led to wild increases in illegal immigration, crime and prices, it is clear that he is not physically and mentally fit to serve another term as president. The American people overwhelmingly agree with that assessment.

I disagree with your opinion that Biden administration policies have resulted in "wild increases in illegal immigration, crime, and prices". We can debate all of that at another time. I also disagree with your opinion that "it is clear that he is not physically or mentally fit to serve another term as president". There us nothing "clear" about that since it's only your opinion. I stumble up more stairs than that and I'm younger than Biden. I certainly couldn't keep up with him on a bicycle which is a very physical activity. And yes, polls indicate that most Americans think both Biden and trump are too old to run for president. So do I, but they are the likely nominees and voters, including myself, will select one of the two on November 5th. So deal with it and get over it.

 

[CaptRenault]

The president's own Department of Justice has declared Biden to be mentally incompetent.

These Clips Are Undeniable. Biden Is Mentally Unfit For Office.​

 

[minutemenX]

Biden is half senile and Trump is coming close with vocabulary and views of a caveman. Though it matters little who will be the front man. The world AI will soon see the obvious that humans are simply incapable of governing themselves and will take over.

 

[Jazzman1218]

The president's own Department of Justice has declared Biden to be mentally incompetent.

These Clips Are Undeniable. Biden Is Mentally Unfit For Office.​

That's your opinion, and the opinion of MAGA republicans and right-wing media, that is based on personal animus and partisan politics and is not a medical fact. Likewise Special Counsel Hur's report was replete with gratuitous personal opinions unrelated to his official role. Biden has not been diagnosed by a neurologist of a cognitive impairment. Until he is, he is not "mentally unfit".

 

[ThunderLipps]

Now can we please return to the topic of this thread - Joe Biden a good president.

Something like this?

Energy: Biden killed the Keystone pipeline on his first day in office, made drilling for domestic oil and natural gas more difficult by restricting permits, removed millions of acres of federal land from exploration and drilling, expanded subsidies and spent hundreds of billions of federal funds (tax dollars) on inefficient and unreliable wind and solar projects and electric vehicles, and tapped the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to release millions of gallons of oil into the market to lower gas prices just ahead of the 2022 election. Gas prices are 47% higher under Biden than they were under Trump.

Afghanistan: In August 2021, against the advice of his commanders, Biden ordered the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, resulting in one of the largest debacles in U.S. military history, including the deaths of 13 U.S. military personnel at Kabul airport, abandonment of hundreds of US citizens and thousands of Afghan allies and the loss of tens of billions of dollars in military equipment at the Bagram air base.

Ukraine: Created conditions that contributed to the Russian invasion of Ukraine by refusing Ukrainian requests for military assistance before the invasion and implying that a “minor incursion” would have little consequence. Committed over $100 billion since the invasion and depleted U.S. military stocks to send to Ukraine, leaving the US at greater risk in the event or war with China.

Corruption: Complicit in his son Hunter’s illegal business dealings. Testimony from whistle blowers, business associates and the fired Ukrainian prosecutor indicate that Biden was not only involved in Hunter’s business deals but also allegedly accepted $10 million in bribes from Burisma in exchange for pressuring the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma

Open border: Refused to continue the construction of the border wall initiated by Trump, leading to an estimated 2.3 million illegal aliens since Biden took office. Annually, Illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers at least $150 billion and over 100,000 deaths per year result from fentanyl smuggled into the US.

Weakening the military: Appointed military leaders who were more concerned with rooting out “white supremacy” than preparing for war. Mandated COVID vaccinations for the military that forced out thousands of trained and experienced military personnel and exacerbated recruiting difficulties.

COVID response: Continued lockdowns and implemented unconstitutional vaccine mandates long after the efficacy of lockdowns and experimental vaccines was disproven. Directed social media to suppress any comments which cast doubt on masking, vaccines and lockdowns, resulting in irreparable harm to children unable to attend school and preventing the use of medications that could effectively mitigate the virus.


Two standards of justice: The Department of Justice and FBI participated in persecution of political enemies, parents concerned about school curriculum and indoctrination of their children, and unarmed protestors who trespassed in the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021.

Damage to our country resulting from two systems of justice, exemplified by the indictments of Trump while Biden family corruption goes unpunished, is perhaps the most egregious failing of the Biden administration, creating loss of confidence in the rule of law.

Just to add: Not a Trump fan but amazed how North American medias back the leftwing parties, pointing out Biden screwups as the media refuses to. Same up here with Canadian media.

 

[Fradi]

Do you realize what you are describing is the 4 chaotic and inept trump years and the associated dysfunctional and extremist GOP? No, I'm sure you don't so trying to educate or debate with you would be untenable and unavailing. We continue to disagee on everything, and I suspect we always will.

What you don’t understand is that I despise all politicians, but I don’t have blinders on and think that one party cannot do wrong.
I firmly believe that in order to be elected they have all given away their honesty and soul and need to pay back the puppeteers that put them in office
Not one of them is there to make a difference and for the people but for the power, ego, and money.
Unfortunately for the US they again will have to make a choice between an inept senile old fool and a horrible crooked human being.
I would prefer to see both of them out of the running and some one new from both parties. So yes we will continue to disagree.

 

[Jazzman1218]

Something like this?

Energy: Biden killed the Keystone pipeline on his first day in office, made drilling for domestic oil and natural gas more difficult by restricting permits, removed millions of acres of federal land from exploration and drilling, expanded subsidies and spent hundreds of billions of federal funds (tax dollars) on inefficient and unreliable wind and solar projects and electric vehicles, and tapped the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to release millions of gallons of oil into the market to lower gas prices just ahead of the 2022 election. Gas prices are 47% higher under Biden than they were under Trump.

Afghanistan: In August 2021, against the advice of his commanders, Biden ordered the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, resulting in one of the largest debacles in U.S. military history, including the deaths of 13 U.S. military personnel at Kabul airport, abandonment of hundreds of US citizens and thousands of Afghan allies and the loss of tens of billions of dollars in military equipment at the Bagram air base.

Ukraine: Created conditions that contributed to the Russian invasion of Ukraine by refusing Ukrainian requests for military assistance before the invasion and implying that a “minor incursion” would have little consequence. Committed over $100 billion since the invasion and depleted U.S. military stocks to send to Ukraine, leaving the US at greater risk in the event or war with China.

Corruption: Complicit in his son Hunter’s illegal business dealings. Testimony from whistle blowers, business associates and the fired Ukrainian prosecutor indicate that Biden was not only involved in Hunter’s business deals but also allegedly accepted $10 million in bribes from Burisma in exchange for pressuring the Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma

Open border: Refused to continue the construction of the border wall initiated by Trump, leading to an estimated 2.3 million illegal aliens since Biden took office. Annually, Illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers at least $150 billion and over 100,000 deaths per year result from fentanyl smuggled into the US.

Weakening the military: Appointed military leaders who were more concerned with rooting out “white supremacy” than preparing for war. Mandated COVID vaccinations for the military that forced out thousands of trained and experienced military personnel and exacerbated recruiting difficulties.

COVID response: Continued lockdowns and implemented unconstitutional vaccine mandates long after the efficacy of lockdowns and experimental vaccines was disproven. Directed social media to suppress any comments which cast doubt on masking, vaccines and lockdowns, resulting in irreparable harm to children unable to attend school and preventing the use of medications that could effectively mitigate the virus.


Two standards of justice: The Department of Justice and FBI participated in persecution of political enemies, parents concerned about school curriculum and indoctrination of their children, and unarmed protestors who trespassed in the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021.

Damage to our country resulting from two systems of justice, exemplified by the indictments of Trump while Biden family corruption goes unpunished, is perhaps the most egregious failing of the Biden administration, creating loss of confidence in the rule of law.

Just to add: Not a Trump fan but amazed how North American medias back the leftwing parties, pointing out Biden screwups as the media refuses to. Same up here with Canadian media.

Congratulations you have mastered all the right-wing, MAGA talking points the entirely of which are obvious partisan political opinions or outright fantasy. While I am prepared to refute your opinions point by point, it's clear your mind is made up, so I see no value in a lengthy rebuttal. Agree to disagree.