Landry resigns
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What about Gilles Duceppe?
I think he is the one that has been talked about the most.
And seeing as the PQ usually "anoint" their leaders without any real leadership convention it would be pretty easy for him.
SD
I think he is the one that has been talked about the most.
And seeing as the PQ usually "anoint" their leaders without any real leadership convention it would be pretty easy for him.
SD
I personally hope the PQ is bright enough to elect someone who is agressively in support of seperation, who clearly states that right after the next PQ win a referendum would come within 90 days of election, and so on.
That would solve many problems in Quebec.
MATt
That would solve many problems in Quebec.
MATt
Just fascinating that it took him so long to do so. The man lost touch with Quebec's political reality some time ago. IMHO not a big loss, this might help Quebec in many ways.
The main reason I am surprised is that I always figured he wanted to be the first king or president or whatever of the new country of Quebec. I can't see him leaving if he thought separation would happen in the near future. Maybe some of the recent proposals such as limiting funding and admission to english universities that were voted down led him to realize that his dream of a pure French country wouldn't be happening in the near future.
Dee, Mr Landry loves Quebec and dreams (night and day, I am sure) of the day Quebec will be it's own country.
At 75% support in his own party, and with opinion polls showing that he isn't exactly top of the heap, I think he had no choice but to leave. To stay on as the head of a divided party, with 2 or 3 pretenders to the throne always in the background isn't the best situations.
Most importantly, it isn't clear that the PQ would win the next election. Jena Charest still have a couple more years to get things sorted out, and the ADQ is eating up much of the soft "not really wanting to seperate" voters. The ADQ is also quite popular with the important 25-35 crowd, the ones who have been out of university long enough to know that it isn't a perfect world.
Now is a good time for change. The liberals have no intention of calling an election, the ADQ isn't going anywhere, and it is unlikely that Landry could have survived two more years with these people biting at his heels.
MATt
At 75% support in his own party, and with opinion polls showing that he isn't exactly top of the heap, I think he had no choice but to leave. To stay on as the head of a divided party, with 2 or 3 pretenders to the throne always in the background isn't the best situations.
Most importantly, it isn't clear that the PQ would win the next election. Jena Charest still have a couple more years to get things sorted out, and the ADQ is eating up much of the soft "not really wanting to seperate" voters. The ADQ is also quite popular with the important 25-35 crowd, the ones who have been out of university long enough to know that it isn't a perfect world.
Now is a good time for change. The liberals have no intention of calling an election, the ADQ isn't going anywhere, and it is unlikely that Landry could have survived two more years with these people biting at his heels.
MATt
Train: 75% is good in an election, but it is bad when you are asking what the support is of your own troops. Picture a war where 25% of the soliders are fighting on their own, not for your war. Well, that is what it looks like.
You need a number closer to 90% to truly be in charge. 25% is more than enough to start a revoltution, and with various people quietly trying to toss him out, that number was only going to get worse.
It is a smart politician that knows when it is time to quit. Imagine Landry with 50% support of his own party on the day the liberal party calls the next election. Do you think that would do anything to get the PQ elected?
My personal opinion of Landry is somewhere between caretaker and impotant old man, not elected but appointed. His departure is a good thing for everyone involved.
MATt
You need a number closer to 90% to truly be in charge. 25% is more than enough to start a revoltution, and with various people quietly trying to toss him out, that number was only going to get worse.
It is a smart politician that knows when it is time to quit. Imagine Landry with 50% support of his own party on the day the liberal party calls the next election. Do you think that would do anything to get the PQ elected?
My personal opinion of Landry is somewhere between caretaker and impotant old man, not elected but appointed. His departure is a good thing for everyone involved.
MATt
I am sorry Train but you are talking through your hat there.Train said:C'mon . The truth is he was an unelectable sniviling little whinerwithout the balls of many of the women in his party .75% is an overwhelming majority in politics by anyones' definition. To take your ball and go home is typical of the over emotional response of many of his ilk. ....
Since Joe Clark resignation in 1983, it is now generallly considered that endorsement by less than 66 per cent of the delegates of a party is not enough to lead a political party. As pointed out by MaTt, you clearly need more like 90% of your troops support to be efficient as a leader.
The comment "little whiner without the balls of many of the women in his party" is completely misplaced. I never vote for Landry, as he was too much to the left for me, but, from my point of view, I can tell you that he was a good economist and a brilliant man, of high intellectual stature actually.
Good day all!
Elvis
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Salut Techman,
Je ne sais pas où tu es allé pêcher ces informations mais Landry n'a JAMAIS proposé de limiter les admissions aux universités anglophones. Il y a bien eu une proposition d'Yves Michaud visant à limiter l'accès aux cégeps anglophones pour les allophones mais elle a été battue à plate couture lors du congrès.
Quant au financement des universités, il faut savoir que toutes les universités québécoises ont des difficultées de financement, pas seulement McGill et Concordia et Bishop.
Bonne journée!
Elvis
Techman said:
Salut Techman,
Je ne sais pas où tu es allé pêcher ces informations mais Landry n'a JAMAIS proposé de limiter les admissions aux universités anglophones. Il y a bien eu une proposition d'Yves Michaud visant à limiter l'accès aux cégeps anglophones pour les allophones mais elle a été battue à plate couture lors du congrès.
Quant au financement des universités, il faut savoir que toutes les universités québécoises ont des difficultées de financement, pas seulement McGill et Concordia et Bishop.
Bonne journée!
Elvis
Techman: a big reader
I can see that many people like to be informed with a 3 minutes videoclip from Radio-Canada to make any kind of comments to attack the legitimate process of other quebecer to have a country.
I can see that many people like to be informed with a 3 minutes videoclip from Radio-Canada to make any kind of comments to attack the legitimate process of other quebecer to have a country.
Has anyone ever noticed that the older leaders of the PQ all speak EXCELLENT english, because they were educated outside of Canada? Parizeau has a very nice cultured british accent, and Yves Michaud has a great english speaking voice...
Landry:
Only Rene Levesque has all his education in Quebec.
You would think men with such worldly exposure would have a move open minded view of the world.
MATt
Landry:
Only Rene Levesque has all his education in Quebec.
You would think men with such worldly exposure would have a move open minded view of the world.
MATt
ManAboutTown>> Yes it is strange. ...and Levesque had great respect for the democratic process. He let it go after he lost his referendum, saying something to the effect that the people of Quebec have spoken...
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
Ronnie,
Naughtylady
A couple of things to get out of the way first: Yes it was english cegeps and not universities concerned by the proposals, second thing, I never said these proposals were made or supported by Landry.
BackdoorMan: Quebecers already have a country, it's called Canada. If they want a new one go for it. In fact I here that Corsica has a pretty good separatist movement going, maybe they need help! Just don't f up my country in the process.
Elvis: I find it interesting that it would take 66% or even 90% support to be considered a valid leader but only 50% +1 to destroy a country.
BackdoorMan: Quebecers already have a country, it's called Canada. If they want a new one go for it. In fact I here that Corsica has a pretty good separatist movement going, maybe they need help! Just don't f up my country in the process.
Elvis: I find it interesting that it would take 66% or even 90% support to be considered a valid leader but only 50% +1 to destroy a country.
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Salut Techman,Techman said:
Je trouve cela curieux aussi mais c'est Joe Clark qui a changé la "jurisprudence" dans le domaine en démissionnant même après avoir reçu un vote de confiance de 67% des votes des délégués conservateurs en 1983. Il y a eu inflation avec les années et c'est maintenant passé à 75%-80%. C'est tout. Théoriquement, un leader peut demeurer en poste avec 50% +1, mais c'est difficilement justifiable en pratique.
T'es trop émotif Techman
T'en fais pas, de toutes façons le Québec ne se "séparera" jamais.Elvis
Hi MaTt,ManAboutTown said:
I cannot understand why you, or Ronnie, are writing the equation: "PQ = Closed minds". There are strictly no facts on which you can based this relationship. Actually, in their pequiste rhetoric, it is one of their main objective to "open" the Quebec to the rest of the world, without going through the prism of Canada External Affairs Dept.
In french Quebec, don't forget most of the top elite used to be pequistes. Quebec liberals and the federalists were always more viewed with some disdain , more like "carpet salesmen", people with not much intellectual stature... this excludes obviously Lesage, Trudeau, Pelletier, Lalonde and the likes, who were in a class by themselves. However, this is changing gradually as more people start to understand the negative impact of socialism and directed economy.
Elvis
Elvis, they want to open quebec to the world provided the world will work on their rules. They want people from all over the world to come to quebec, as long as they speak french. That isn't open, that is closed. That is a narrow view of the world, forcing other people to follow your beliefs.
It is, in the end, no better than forcing a quebec woman to wear a burka if she visits Saudi Arabia, and just as restrictive. Free and open means free and open , not somewhat free, not sort of free, not kind of open, not sort of allowing.
Remember, it's the fault of english money and ethnic votes that Quebec is still part of Canada.
MATt
It is, in the end, no better than forcing a quebec woman to wear a burka if she visits Saudi Arabia, and just as restrictive. Free and open means free and open , not somewhat free, not sort of free, not kind of open, not sort of allowing.
Remember, it's the fault of english money and ethnic votes that Quebec is still part of Canada.
MATt
Train, I am sure that the new leader will have less than 75% when they are elected to lead the party. But Landry HAD 100%... now he has 75%... where is the next stop on that route? He is smart enough to know that if his own party is not united behind him enough to give him a solid vote of confidence, then it is time to move along.
It's like asking 100 beer drinkers in a bar if beer is good. Less than 90%, you really start to wonder.
MATt
It's like asking 100 beer drinkers in a bar if beer is good. Less than 90%, you really start to wonder.
MATt
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