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Muslims blocking streets, intersections and sidewalks with bogus "prayer sessions" constitutes a threat to the rights of Montreal's citizens to go about their daily lives without being inconvenienced by pro-Hamas demonstrations. If you want to wave flags and protest, do it in a manner that does not infringe on the rights of others. Montreal police and if necessary, officers from the Sûreté du Québec, should arrest these people when they break the law with bogus "prayer sessions" that block the free flow of pedestrian and vehicle traffic.


Quebec is once again pushing the boundaries of the debate over religion in the public square. The Legault government is introducing legislation to ban “street prayers” — a move that, depending on your view, is either overdue or overreach.

This isn’t an abstract issue. For months, Muslim Montrealers have gathered outside the Notre Dame Basilica in Old Montreal to take part in prayers. On the other side of the cobblestone streets, non-Muslims have begun gathering in protest, waving Quebec’s fleur-de-lis flag, arguing that faith belongs behind closed doors. Each time the gatherings grew larger, more confrontational, and more symbolic of a clash between identity and expression.

Some passersby admitted to feeling uneasy, interpreting the scene as a deliberate claiming of Catholic heritage by another faith. One protester, (interviewed Thursday afternoon on French language station 98.5FM) said he saw it as “a challenge, right on the church’s doorstep.”
In recent months, Islamic prayers have also spilled into parks and downtown streets, with worshippers rolling out mats outside shopping districts and public offices. What began occasionally has become a regular source of tension.
The pushback has been visceral. Downtown merchants complain that prayers outside their storefronts drive away customers, creating bottlenecks of foot traffic. One caller to the radio talk show remembered feeling “trapped” when sidewalks suddenly filled with rows of worshippers, unsure if she was intruding or even welcome to pass through.

Elsewhere, motorists have reported frustration when intersections were partially blocked. Even if only briefly, the sight triggered confrontations: honking, shouting, accusations of disrespect. For a segment of Quebecers, the sudden visibility of religion in public sparked not only annoyance but genuine fear — that what is happening in Montreal could echo the social frictions seen in European capitals.

And sometimes recently, these prayers came with a political message — critical of Israel’s war on Hamas in Gaza, calling for a “free Palestine.” To critics, that only heightens the outrage, saying, “these are really protests, not prayers.”

Quebec’s uneasy relationship with religion is deeply rooted. For generations, the Catholic Church dominated social life, urging families to “fill the pews with many children” over education and advancement, seen by critics as self-serving. The Quiet Revolution of the 1960s was, in many ways, a revolt against that grip, as francophones built their own schools and universities to finally match the English institutions that had long flourished. Out of that history emerged Quebec’s modern embrace of laïcité — secularism — which took form in laws like Bill 21, prohibiting government employees in positions of authority from wearing religious symbols. That includes doctors, nurses and teachers. To many Quebecers, it was not an attack on faith but a continuation of the push to free the state from clerical influence; to critics, it crossed into discrimination under the guise of neutrality.

Now, Quebec is positioning itself as the first province in Canada to tackle the issue of street prayers head-on. The central question is this: Is it appropriate to conduct religious prayer in public, and at what point does expression become disruption? How do you balance that with the right to freedom of religion guaranteed in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?

But is it that black and white? Or is Quebec being proactive in addressing a sensitive issue before it spirals into the kinds of confrontations seen in Paris, where such a ban is already in place.

The Legault government argues that prayer belongs in places of worship — be it churches, mosques, or synagogues — not on the streets .

In a statement, the Canadian Muslim Forum defended street prayers as “a manifestation of freedom of expression that has been exercised for so long by various communities.” The policy has also raised opposition from Quebec’s Catholic leaders, who argue that a ban risks turning secularism into a new form of intolerance.


One thing is certain: Quebec is once again leading Canada into uncharted waters, testing the limits of secularism and freedom of religion. The province’s decision will serve as a test case — not only in the courts, where Charter challenges are almost certain, but in the court of public opinion.

Leslie Roberts is a former television journalist and news anchor.
 
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Prayers belong in a church or a Mosque or in your home.
It has no place blocking traffic or streets.
That goes for any religion, respect other people so they will respect you.

Respect the country and the people and their culture that have let you in and are giving you a safe home.
It is a privilege to be accepted as a refugee or immigrant to Canada, accept its laws and culture and if you feel it is beyond you to do that then go back to where you came from.

I have been an immigrant all my life and I am grateful for being allowed to become a Canadian, to live in a free country where all the opportunities are open to you.
I came here legally it took over 2 years of forms medical tests and our family paid for all of it including our fare to come here.
We all started working 2 weeks after we arrived here and never took a penny from the government but have paid and still paying a shit load of taxes.

I am not against immigrants most of us are or are descendants of immigrants, it is immigrants who helped build this country, but immigrants that respected the countries laws and were grateful to live here Be one of those.
 
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I'm a bit conflicted about this. On the one hand, I dislike religion in general and would love for it to remain behind closed doors. On the other hand, I'm a fan of freedom of expression which praying would fall under. The groups of Muslims praying are doing so as part of a pro-Palestinian protest. Whether you agree with their cause or not, I don't think it's a good move for the government to decide what people can or can't say.
 

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I'm a bit conflicted about this. On the one hand, I dislike religion in general and would love for it to remain behind closed doors. On the other hand, I'm a fan of freedom of expression which praying would fall under. The groups of Muslims praying are doing so as part of a pro-Palestinian protest. Whether you agree with their cause or not, I don't think it's a good move for the government to decide what people can or can't say.
You have very poor reading comprehension. Go back and read the article that I posted. The Legault government is not threatening to stop the Muslims or anyone else from protesting or praying. Legault's government wants to stop them from blocking sidewalks, streets and intersections with their bogus prayer sessions.
 

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You have very poor reading comprehension. Go back and read the article that I posted. The Legault government is not threatening to stop the Muslims or anyone else from protesting or praying. Legault's government wants to stop them from blocking sidewalks, streets and intersections with their bogus prayer sessions.
We already have laws that would deal with blocking sidewalks, streets and intersections. Loitering, public nuisance, and noise complaints for starters. There's no need to ban praying unless the praying itself is what they have a problem with. And it seems like that is the issue here, as Legault said himself

"Seeing people praying in the streets, in public parks, is not something we want in Quebec," Legault said in December, saying he wanted to send a "very clear message to Islamists."

If people blocking sidewalks is the actual concern we better ban people from staring at their phones while walking and groups of tourists walking at a snail's pace while taking up the entire sidewalk. I run into that a hell of a lot more than I do people praying. In fact, the only time I've seen a Muslim person praying anywhere near public was the security guard at my work who will go to the stairwell. He does it there because it's out of people's way.

I'd be all for this ban except it cuts into freedom of speech. What's after a prayer ban? No mention of religion at all? No singing? No rudeness? No depicting The Great Leader in a bad light?
 
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If people blocking sidewalks is the actual concern we better ban people from staring at their phones while walking and groups of tourists walking at a snail's pace while taking up the entire sidewalk. I run into that a hell of a lot more than I do people praying. In fact, the only time I've seen a Muslim person praying anywhere near public was the security guard at my work who will go to the stairwell. He does it there because it's out of people's way.

I'd be all for this ban except it cuts into freedom of speech. What's after a prayer ban? No mention of religion at all? No singing? No rudeness? No depicting The Great Leader in a bad light?
Now you are just playing ridiculous word games.
Looking at your phone and slow walking tourists are not intentionally disrupting other people’s lives.
You think they would allow you to do this in their country, you would be missing your head within an hour.

Is that the kind of laws and religion you want to take hold in Quebec.

I am all for legal immigrants who respect the host countries laws, customs and culture. How difficult is that to do ? Do you have any objections to that or is that too much to ask for when you accept someone into your country who’s life may be in danger where he was before.
 

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I don't know if banning street prayer is the best way to go about dealing with this but something needs to be done.

When organizations like Québec Fier or Nouvelle Alliance are claiming that Muslim street prayers and Islamism are undermining the Quebec national heritage, culture and identity, and in the long run have the potential to do so even more than the increasing popularity of the English language, they quite frankly have a point.
 

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We already have laws that would deal with blocking sidewalks, streets and intersections. Loitering, public nuisance, and noise complaints for starters. There's no need to ban praying unless the praying itself is what they have a problem with.
It's clear that the Hamas supporters are using the protection of "religious freedom" as a cover for their disruptive behavior. Because of Quebec's tradition of very strict separation of church and state (which stems from the time when the Catholic Church played an outsized role in the lives of French Canadians), the performance of religious rituals on a public right of way has been frowned on and viewed as disruptive-no what the religion. It is hypocritical to characterize these political protests as simple praying when groups of offenders take over sidewalks and roads for obvious political purposes. Wave a flag, march around and sing a song if you want, but quit with the bullshit praying.


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Now you are just playing ridiculous word games.
Looking at your phone and slow walking tourists are not intentionally disrupting other people’s lives.
You think they would allow you to do this in their country, you would be missing your head within an hour.

Is that the kind of laws and religion you want to take hold in Quebec.

I am all for legal immigrants who respect the host countries laws, customs and culture. How difficult is that to do ? Do you have any objections to that or is that too much to ask for when you accept someone into your country who’s life may be in danger where he was before.
As I already mentioned, there are laws to prevent people from blocking sidewalks and such. I used to hang out with my friends downtown in my hometown. The cops would regularly tell us to either move on or get loitering tickets. If they want to pass a prayer ban law, don't try to disguise it as something else.

I'm not concerned with what would happen to me if I publicly prayed in their country. We aren't them nor do I intend on visiting. Also, I don't think I've prayed once in my life, privately or publicly. Perhaps the government should force me to go to church and pray in order to maintain the culture.

Canada has always been a melting pot. At what point do we say "Culture is complete, no more additions or changes."? So long as their culture and customs aren't breaking any laws, I don't see the problem. If we didn't incorporate other cultures, we'd all be listening to chamber music and wearing powdered wigs. Cultural evolution is a good thing and outside influences are often a large part of that evolution.
 

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Lol Lego is using identity politics to regain votes. Currently if an election were to be held right now the CAQ would be wiped off the map. The thing is it will not work. I think we got more serious issues of concern then public praying like the housing crisis and healthcare. Lego's track record on healthcare is a disaster. Lego treats healthcare like a business.
 

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If we didn't incorporate other cultures...
Some cultures are better than others. The original French settlers of Montreal have successfully incorporated many cultures into the city over hundreds of years, including English, Irish, Jewish, Russian, Latin American, African and others. I don't see any members of those groups blocking streets and sidewalks with bogus "prayer" sessions in support of a barbaric, anti-Western terrorist group.
 
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As I already mentioned, there are laws to prevent people from blocking sidewalks and such. I used to hang out with my friends downtown in my hometown. The cops would regularly tell us to either move on or get loitering tickets. If they want to pass a prayer ban law, don't try to disguise it as something else.

I'm not concerned with what would happen to me if I publicly prayed in their country. We aren't them nor do I intend on visiting. Also, I don't think I've prayed once in my life, privately or publicly. Perhaps the government should force me to go to church and pray in order to maintain the culture.

Canada has always been a melting pot. At what point do we say "Culture is complete, no more additions or changes."? So long as their culture and customs aren't breaking any laws, I don't see the problem. If we didn't incorporate other cultures, we'd all be listening to chamber music and wearing powdered wigs. Cultural evolution is a good thing and outside influences are often a large part of that evolution.
It is not about praying.
Nobody is against praying even though I am not religious.

I am however against blocking streets and traffic and making a public nuisance of yourself. If we have laws against that by all means enforce it, but we all know this goes way beyond just praying and that is not their purpose.
If you want to pray do it in your Mosque or church or your home where you don’t disrupt anybody else’s life, how fucking difficult is that to understand or to do.
 
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Some cultures are better than others. The original French settlers of Montreal have successfully incorporated many cultures into the city over hundreds of years, including English, Irish, Jewish, Russian, Latin American, African and others. I don't see any members of those groups blocking streets and sidewalks with bogus "prayer" sessions in support of a barbaric, anti-Western terrorist group.
This kind of people understand freedom of speech as a one-way street as they demonstrated with their “treatment” of the Charlie Hebdo journalists and artists.
 
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It is not about praying.
Nobody is against praying even though I am not religious.

I am however against blocking streets and traffic and making a public nuisance of yourself. If we have laws against that by all means enforce it, but we all know this goes way beyond just praying and that is not their purpose.
If you want to pray do it in your Mosque or church or your home where you don’t disrupt anybody else’s life, how fucking difficult is that to understand or to do.
I am ready to forgive Trump a lot just for one thing: you do not see this sh-t on the streets of the US cities anymore. Canada is free to dig its own grave.
 
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Les religions mettent de la merde dans la tête des gens. Ils leur font croire des idées stupides et fausses. Tout cela mène à des guerres infinies comme à Gaza où les trois stupides religions monothéistes sont impliquées car soyez bien conscient que les états uniens chrétiens sont derrière les juifs d’Israel pour libérer la terre promise et préparer le retour du Seigneur …