London-sytle parties - could they work in Montreal?

[rumraycer]

I love to visit Montreal to meet the girls, and I come as often as I can (pun intended!). However I am now considering a trip to London England, to sample a business concept that is growing in popularity there - gentlemen's parties [aka gangbangs].

The way these London parties typically operate is:
- The party features three to six girls.
- No more than three men per girl are permitted to attend the party.
- The party typically lasts two hours, sometimes longer.
- Advance reservations are mandatory.
- The cost each gentleman pays varies by time and number of girls, but is roughly the same (or sometimes even less!) than the local going rate for a one-hour incall or outcall encounter.
- Parties are typically held in a private 2 or 3 bedroom apartment in London, near public transportation.
- The party organizers have a website listing their upcoming parties, photos of the ladies who will be attending, the gentlemen's fee, contact information etc.

I'm not going to post links (in order to comply with MERB rules) but you can easily find their websites by googling:

London +"gentlemen's parties"
London +"lady marmalade"
London +"adult parties"
London +"pam's parties"

These parties are different than a German FKK because there is no per-girl fee; for a single entry fee each gentleman can do any or all the girls and as many SOG's as he can.

These parties are different than a partytreff or swinger's party because it's gentleman's choice and you are guaranteed to score.

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on this - could this party concept work here in Montreal? Any comments or reports from someone who has attended one of these London parties? I think it would be a lot of fun!!

 

[rumraycer]

'Testing the waters' with a gentleman's party in Montreal

To see if the London-style party could be a success in Montreal, as an experiment a party could be organized as a one-time event at a nice downtown Montreal hotel.

Let's run the numbers....

For instance, let's say that four girls decide to team up to present a party. They would rent a 2-bedroom suite on a Saturday, and host two separate 2-hour parties, one in the afternoon (4 to 6PM) and the second in the evening (8 to 10PM). So each party has the four girls and 12 men. Let's say the gentlemen's party fee is $200.

The girls would purchase an ad on MERB and set up a minimal one-page website with just the basic info such as party date, cost, photos of the girls who will be there, and reservation contact information.

When making the reservation, tell the hotel that you're hosting a small party for about 15 people, and alcohol will not be served, and the party will not be noisy and loud and will end at 10PM so as to not disturb other hotel guests. [Don't tell them what will be going on at this party!]. I suggest that one security host be hired to greet gentlemen at the door, check them off on the guest list, and collect their party fee.

Income: 24 gentlemen at $200 each = $4800.

Expenses:
hotel suite: $200.
one security host: $200.
advertising and website: $200.
snacks and supplies: $100.

Total expenses: $700.

Therefore profit is $4100. Split evenly four ways is $1025 per girl for the day.

If an agency decided to host a party like this, I will make a guess that the agency could run the party for a flat fee of $1000. Now the profit is $4800. - $1700 = $3100, or $775 for each girl.

These above $$ numbers are just my guess, maybe they're reasonable, maybe not.

Should these parties become successful, the next step is to rent a private house somewhere on the island, within a few blocks of a metro stop. In this case the hosts would need to run perhaps 20 parties a month (Tuesday, Thursday and Friday evenings, and two on Saturdays) to cover the house rental etc.

If any of the ladies are interested in setting up a party along these lines, please PM me and I will give you some further ideas of how to run the event. I've attended a few gb's over the years and can pass along some ideas for the event to run smoothly...

 

[prophetofdoom]

The only worry would be whether a place where such a party is held automatically becomes a "maison de débauche" (bawdy house) thus attracting the attention of LE. If that happens everyone inside could be doomed

 

[Doc Holliday]

There's a group of independent lady friends, calling themselves "The Pink Ladies", who've organized similar events over the past year in the Toronto area. They also invited some of their other 'independent' lady friends. Here's a review from one of their 'parties':

How to enjoy an orgy!

I've spent a few evening in these kind of orgy sessions (in the UK, where "Gentlemen's' Parties" are commonplace) but have never found one in Canada, so when Madison (an old friend) asked me to participate in this I jumped at the opportunity.

As one of the participants in this wonderful evening, which involved a number of guys and four delicious women — Madison, Molly, Simone and Scarlett - I have now (somewhat) recovered.

The evening was held in an extremely upscale hotel; gift boxes, towels and robes were provided for all of us, and we were greeted by the ladies provocatively dressed and ready to rock. There were also fruit, cheeses, and most delicious home-made pecan squares.

One the clothes started to come off in the suite's living room area, as the girls switched partners and switched guys, we all knew we were in for something very special indeed.

I was something of a regular for Maddie in the past (before her two year hiatus from the business) and had had a couple of wonderful sessions with her and Scarlett. Molly, too, was a familiar face (and deliciously raunchy body!), only Simone was less familiar with me; she's a fully-figured beauty with olive skin and a most mischievous nature.

The evening began with some not-so-subtle strip-teasing, with each of the ladies taking turns with each of us guys; it then adjourned to the bedroom - one huge couch for some activities, and a monster kingsized bed with room enough for two couple and, say, six people doing intriguing things to each other. There strap-ons and dildos, and pauses for wine, and wonderfully straight old fashioned sex in several amazing (and sometimes amusing) combinations of people, and barebacked blow jobs and safe penetrative sex, and a great deal of good natureal laughter.

I was totally drained (thank you Maddie and Scarlett who cheerfully, laughingly took me all over their sweet faces), and I will never forget the sights, sounds and feelings of being attended to simultaneously by two, three or four women at once.

I'm not sure I can afford this too often ($650) but the memory of this three-hour party will stay with me for a LONG time. This was a super, classy, delicious, funny, exciting, and non-stop three-hour evening of sex every which way.

If and when this comes up again - and I think they do plan to do so; another old friend has taken the photographs that will go up on their coming-soon website - you would be foolish not to participate.

It does not get better than this. Ever.

I can't find the "Pink Ladies" website, but it's possible that they're now calling themselves 'The Harlots" since many of the former "Pink Ladies" are found on this website i just found:

http://www.theproperharlot.com/main.htm

 

[Ariane Valmont]

Therefore profit is $4100. Split evenly four ways is $1025 per girl for the day.

The concept is interesting and your plan is well-thought-out but in my opinion, it's not worth it at all for the women.

1025$ to have sex with 20 guys (average number) for 4 hours when I usually get paid 900$ to spend 5 hours with one (and a lot of indies charge more than that)?

It doesn't make any sense on a financial/business point of view.

So unless it's a fantasy for the ladies OR they are desperate to make a couple of bucks fast... I don't see why any of them would agree to this.

 

[Jman47]

The concept is interesting and your plan is well-thought-out but in my opinion, it's not worth it at all for the women.

1025$ to have sex with 20 guys (average number) for 4 hours when I usually get paid 900$ to spend 5 hours with one (and a lot of indies charge more than that)?

It doesn't make any sense on a financial/business point of view.

So unless it's a fantasy for the ladies OR they are desperate to make a couple of bucks fast... I don't see why any of them would agree to this.

LOL...Hello Ariane, Funny - I was kind going through the same math in my head based on the numbers I am familiar with...good to see you say it...

Of course if rumraycer is beginning a negotiation and was starting by bidding low hmmm...

 

[Ariane Valmont]

LOL...Hello Ariane, Funny - I was kind going through the same math in my head based on the numbers I am familiar with...good to see you say it...

hehe... Well at least I'm not the only one who sees it!

Love your signature, by the way.

 

[Jman47]

hehe...
Love your signature, by the way.

There are moments when one sometimes has a revelation, I recently had one (errr maybe a quite a few) of those moments...hi, hi, hi...

 

[master_bates]

This concept sounds hot

Arianne not every lady out there has the luxury to be able to have 1 client willing to spend

5 hrs with them and give them $900.

The example rumraycer gave us with $200 per person is too low they should charge

closer to about $500 like they did in toronto and then I'm sure you would be able to find

ladies interested in participating

 

[Ariane Valmont]

This concept sounds hot

Arianne not every lady out there has the luxury to be able to have 1 client willing to spend

5 hrs with them and give them $900.

It is my opinion that any indy outcall lady who knows how to present herself, have a minimum of class + give a good service can get around 900$ (maybe 800$, maybe 1000$ : that's not relevant) for 5 hours.

 

[rumraycer]

More thoughts about the $numbers…

Ariane and master, thanks for your comments. I only guessed at the $numbers as a starting point for discussion. In London an hour of incall (1-on-1) with a good-reviewed beautiful young indy is typically £150 to £200, whereas attending one of these London parties is typically £80 to £150. I agree with master that initially in Montreal, $400 to $500 could be a good starting $number for a party with 4 to 5 girls and max. 3 guys per girl, until the concept becomes established. After that – then what?

What seems to make these London £numbers low is the competition – there seems to be at least a dozen established regular parties, and each and every weekend the gentlemen have a choice of several parties to attend. It’s like anything else in business “if you have more customers than you can handle, raise your price – but if you have too few customers, consider lowering your price”.

(by the way, in saying this I mean no disrespect to the ladies…I believe that it is very rude behavior for a man to attempt to negotiate with a lady to persuade her to reduce her price.)

Another aspect of this concept is that it’s not for everyone – guys or gals. There will be some who are uncomfortable with a group situation – and some who will prefer the full undivided attention of one girl. In fact, I can recall thinking most times after I had attended a gangbang party that I'd had a great time but would really like to have ____ (fill in name of one of the girls at the party) all to myself for an hour or two.

Let’s consider another scenerio (and I’m guessing again on the actual numbers) – let’s say you’re one of several hundred active outcall girls in Montreal, and your cut of each session you do is roughly $100, and you do typically 5 or 6 sessions each evening you’re working. At the end of the night you’ve got $500 to $600 in your pocket. Might the idea of four intense Saturday afternoon/evening hours for $1000+ be appealing? Mind you, you wouldn’t be able to do this every single day – but it might suit the lifestyle of a part-timer who is available only one night a week, and who needs the money.

And, there’s no question that each of the girls at the party will have an intense workout – but I’ve met some girls that enjoy that. You’ve really got to enjoy sex to be one of the party girls! Again, it’s not for everyone.

In the example I gave of four indy girls teaming up to host a party, I actually envisioned one girl being the leader, and she then recruits three of her girlfriends to join the fun for an equal share of the profits.

And, to prevent this party from attracting LE attention as an “incall”, let me suggest that one gentleman might book the hotel suite in his own name for the party, for the corresponding reduction in his own attendance fee. Then, if one or two girls come over to visit him, it’s outcall which is perfectly alright. If three or four or five girls come over – he’s a lucky guy! And then if some of this gentlemen’s buddies come over – it’s a hell of a party! The important distinction being that the gentleman renting the room must be one of the male participants in the party.

I would be willing to rent the room myself on my next trip to Montreal. I don’t usually travel up to Montreal during the winter, my next planned trip there is mid-May. Talk to me – who wants to be my girlfriend or buddy?

 

[daydreamer41]

Impressions of a Bukkake-like orgy

Sharing a girl with 3 other guys let alone 19 other guys in the room sharing 4 or 5 girls is an experience I do not find appealing. Some of you may find this appealing.

Second, if you have 24 men and women in a hotel room where many of them are having sex at one time, the noise is going to be very loud. You will attract some type of attention. The scene when 23 people leave the room will attract attention, if anyone witnesses it.

 

[master_bates]

Second, if you have 24 men and women in a hotel room where many of them are having sex at one time, the noise is going to be very loud. You will attract some type of attention. The scene when 23 people leave the room will attract attention, if anyone witnesses it.

Very good point!

A house would be ideal like they have for other gangbang events

I might be interested