We agreed to meet at a very high end seafood restaurant in my area, which is essentially a standard on SA. In fact, I have had numerous other first dates on SA at that same restaurant- I can think of 5 from SA and one from Tinder- and none of them stood me up.
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AV- I appreciate your post and want to respond to some of your comments:
"Once you have confirmed that you are her toilet, you are guaranteed of more shit."
I agree, but in the past I approached these situations with a slightly different mindset. In one case, a girl begged me for a second chance. After thoroughly shaming her with how she had wasted a colossal amount of my time and also left money on the table, I suggested to her she would get a second date if she did something to make up for the no show. She asked what she could do, and I asked her for au gratis sexy pics. She actually sent them to me, and then got a second date, although ultimately I did not pursue further dates with her, for reasons having nothing to do with the second date and more because of another opportunity presented.
I have to be satisfied with the explanation and the contrition for there to be a second date. Lame excuses will not cut it. I believe that I posted that I was no showed by some girl up in Middletown after she agreed to meet me at a local high end Italian restaurant there, which I had been to on previous SA dates with other women who lived in that area. After she no showed, she sent me a stream of apologetic texts, and came up with some seemingly plausible excuse for her no show. I was impressed with her contrition and effort to get a second date. So I agreed to a second date, this time for breakfast (at her request!) at another upscale and well reviewed place in Middletown. She no showed AGAIN. No text, no nothing, a ton of time wasted driving there and back and eating breakfast alone. Then, around 6:00pm that day, fully 8 hours after we had agreed to meet for breakfast, she again sends me a stream of apologetic texts. But this time she comes up with some lame excuse having to do with her hair. I texted her back that after two no shows, it did not matter how hot or beautiful she was, because she was not reliable, had not texted me prior to either no show to say she could not make it, and that I just could not trust that she would appear. She politely accepted my admonishment, to her credit, and again apologized. I think I posted this story earlier in this thread and I reposted it here because your toilet analogy really fits with that one. She, from her pics, was a very attractive looking mid 20s black woman, but I really feel sorry for the actual men in her life because they are just just turds floating around in her toilet waiting to be flushed.
"I've made the mistake of giving second chances after being stood up. Not once has it ended well."
In my case, I am very reluctant to give second chances, and the 2 who who asked for and got second dates are noted above. My batting average was .500 in that very small sample size of 2. As indicated both expressed the necessary contrition with words, gave proper excuses after standup #1, and the first one gave me something in return (sexy pics). The one who stood me up last night, has not yet texted me back beyond the exchange I posted above in post #1,106. If she does and asks for a second chance, she can send me some sexy pics or videos to make up for the time-wasting, or a second date is not happening.
"Do you even know if she exists and is not a teenage boy pranking you? Did you see her live on an app?"
Very good questions to which I do not know the answer. We had a bit of dialogue on SA and did not exchange phone numbers, so our communications and booking was exclusively through the app. I was very straight and to the point with her because her pics were very nice and wanted to meet her. I asked her what food she liked and she said seafood, but she also said she did not like seafood and pasta dishes when I suggested she order the Shrimp Fra Diavolo with linguine at the restaurant we were to meet at, because it is the best I ever had. She said she liked her seafood with veggies. Beyond that, and beyond that she supposedly lives fairly close to where I do (next town over), I did not know much about her beyond what is in her SA profile.
It did occur to me that my offer got beat and she just forgot to get back to me. She came up with a "got caught up at work" excuse (see post 1,106) which sounded contrived. So I suspect I will never hear from her again.
"If you absolutely must see her, insist that the next encounter be very close to your office or home and don't leave for the meeting until she texts you a picture of herself in front of the restaurant. Also, since she has a job and should be willing to invest for a possible repeated income and she owes you for billable hours, she pays for the first meal."
The restaurant we agreed to meet at is only around a 12 minute drive from home, although from my office after work, it was even a shorter drive than that. So it was not as big a time waste as the two Middletown dates I mentioned above, which are quite a drive from where I live. However, in the unlikely event I hear from her, I am going to ask for sexy pics, or no second date. She is not getting off free on the no show. But on the other hand, sexy pics will not cost her anything. Just some of her time, like the time she took from me.
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I wouldn't think a 27 year old Black SB would have a lot of legit potential SDs in CT. And she's old enough to know better than to flake if she was seriously interested
Are there many college students from UConn or elsewhere active in your area? I might be tempted to move up to Westchester haha.
Are there many college students from UConn or elsewhere active in your area? I might be tempted to move up to Westchester haha.
Yes, I have seen SBs attending UConn, Central Connecticut State, Southern Connecticut State, and Yale, as well as local community colleges, of which it seems like there are many here.
I am trying to think of why a woman would post a public pic of herself holding a gun on a dating app, and the only thing I can think of is it's for her own safety related reasons. In other words, her pic communicates to those who would threaten her safety, "I carry a piece so you better behave yourself if you see me." Keeping finger off trigger guard augments that statement by simultaneously showing she is a responsible and safe gun owner. So the pic communicates she is all about safety- her own, and as a gun user.
I never saw this before on SA and I have probably reviewed many thousands of photos. I also never saw any Indy escort posting pics of herself with a gun in hand before. It's a first time I have seen it.
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Cloudsurf I know who you are talking about but haven't seen her in 10 years. I recall the pics you mention but I do not recall them being escort ad pics. I recall them being in news articles about crimes having been committed, which is kind of different than what I am talking about.
Seems to me a little like SBs who post about BDSM or kinks. There is a subset of guys who will be turned on by the gun, but not sure that's the kind of SD you should be targeting lol
They are on the SA website but usually the Ladies who are dominatrixes make it very clear in their SA profiles that is what they are looking for. They let you know that they want to punish you, that you need punishment, and you have to pay to be punished because you are very, very, naughty and deserve punishment. And this girl's profile was not one of them. When I come across the Dominatatrix profiles they stand out. Some are hysterically funny in terms of selling the punishment. I always think about the classic opening scene of the Big Lebowski in which The Dude is a victim of mistaken identity and has his head violently dunked in the toilet bowl- I think Dominitraxes want to be paid to do this to you:
And some guys do need (and deserve) that punishment.
I used to be on seeking in 2020 before becoming an SP in 2022. I was lucky enough to find a SD that was spending unlimited money on me for 2 years until we stop seeing each other because he became greedy and wanted to spend time with me for free. Not even wants to pay gas money anymore but he used to pay thousands for my sister and I school, send money to my mom and even bought me my first car. Even though he was married ; money and time for me was never an issue. I guess he wanted some new flesh lol.
I tried the site again around the end of last year and OMG it’s all garbage. Guys asking for PPM directly on the site while it’s clearly said no PPM on the site. Or guys asking for minimum 2 overnight per week for a 250$ allowance and wanting exclusivity and for sure bare sex. But the craziest thing is the predators on those sites. They want vulnerable; young and freshly comes out of high school girls that they can manipulate to get the most out of their youth and give them pennies. And for those girls a 200$ extra each meeting or per week with maybe a dinner at st-hubert is sooo much for them. And after reading some of the comments written here I really pray that those girls that people purposely « groom » wake up and start being smarter.
Im really young (early 20’s) but I grew up with adults and i learned to be smarter for my age and even if sometimes I wish I was just a « normal 20´s old girl » I’m grateful to have grown up faster than the average. I’m not the smartest but let’s say I can easily know if it’s really worth it or not or if it’s a 50/50 deal.
Ex: I had one guy at some point on the seeking arrangement that was interested to meet me. I thought for what he was asking me it was a 50/50 deal. Only thing I didn’t like was that he really wanted a girl that was naive. He was constantly trying to be smarter than me and sometimes I let him win because they were no way we will continue this arrangement if I show myself smarter than him. After our second meeting he didn’t send me the right amount and I told him I would appreciate the normal amount he is supposed to send me. We arranged ourselves for a PPM the first month to get to know each other and I was okay with the amount
of hours spend together for that ratio. He then proceed saying that I’m talking like a professional SB and like an escort who have been around; that I’m just a golddigger ; that I don’t even care about him and the nice restaurant and the nice hotels he brought me to and bla-bla-bla. He said it was a test to see my reaction. My reaction was totally normal. I literally waited the next day to tell him that I realized that the e-transfer is not correct and I will appreciate if he can send me the rest through out the week. He then stopped the arrangement because he knew he couldn’t control me and I will not shut up and take whatever he wants to gives me. A deal is a deal; but a really newbie and naive girl will be scared to ask for the remaining amount because she is scared to loose what she have and she doesn’t want to look like she is only there for the money. Im not there only for the money; I genuinely enjoy getting to know someone and actually create a real connection but a deal is a deal : I give you my time; amazing conversations; amazing sex and you help me out by giving me the right amount of money.
* Now I have some arrangements here and there with regulars as an SP and I love it ! Especially when we go to a new place and other men literally comes to my Mr to tell him that he is lucky to have a beautiful lady at his side.
I tried the site again around the end of last year and OMG it’s all garbage. Guys asking for PPM directly on the site while it’s clearly said no PPM on the site. Or guys asking for minimum 2 overnight per week for a 250$ allowance and wanting exclusivity and for sure bare sex. But the craziest thing is the predators on those sites. They want vulnerable; young and freshly comes out of high school girls that they can manipulate to get the most out of their youth and give them pennies. And for those girls a 200$ extra each meeting or per week with maybe a dinner at st-hubert is sooo much for them. And after reading some of the comments written here I really pray that those girls that people purposely « groom » wake up and start being smarter.
Im really young (early 20’s) but I grew up with adults and i learned to be smarter for my age and even if sometimes I wish I was just a « normal 20´s old girl » I’m grateful to have grown up faster than the average. I’m not the smartest but let’s say I can easily know if it’s really worth it or not or if it’s a 50/50 deal.
Ex: I had one guy at some point on the seeking arrangement that was interested to meet me. I thought for what he was asking me it was a 50/50 deal. Only thing I didn’t like was that he really wanted a girl that was naive. He was constantly trying to be smarter than me and sometimes I let him win because they were no way we will continue this arrangement if I show myself smarter than him. After our second meeting he didn’t send me the right amount and I told him I would appreciate the normal amount he is supposed to send me. We arranged ourselves for a PPM the first month to get to know each other and I was okay with the amount
of hours spend together for that ratio. He then proceed saying that I’m talking like a professional SB and like an escort who have been around; that I’m just a golddigger ; that I don’t even care about him and the nice restaurant and the nice hotels he brought me to and bla-bla-bla. He said it was a test to see my reaction. My reaction was totally normal. I literally waited the next day to tell him that I realized that the e-transfer is not correct and I will appreciate if he can send me the rest through out the week. He then stopped the arrangement because he knew he couldn’t control me and I will not shut up and take whatever he wants to gives me. A deal is a deal; but a really newbie and naive girl will be scared to ask for the remaining amount because she is scared to loose what she have and she doesn’t want to look like she is only there for the money. Im not there only for the money; I genuinely enjoy getting to know someone and actually create a real connection but a deal is a deal : I give you my time; amazing conversations; amazing sex and you help me out by giving me the right amount of money.
* Now I have some arrangements here and there with regulars as an SP and I love it ! Especially when we go to a new place and other men literally comes to my Mr to tell him that he is lucky to have a beautiful lady at his side.
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Sorry, but I find your story impossible to believe.
Yeah it’s normal to not believe when you never had something happen to you like that in your life or you never had someone that experience it around you. I was really lucky to find him; he was treating me like his girlfriend and he knew my family ( mom and sister only). I’m from a really traditional country in Africa so until the man is able to take care of you his age is not an issue. And that man was doing everything for me. If he was still in my life I wouldn’t be an escort today. Im a passionate person and I really love people. You don’t know how people are rich in Montreal until you actually get to know them and see their lifestyle. I know a lot of girls that have a « profile bas » lifestyle just because they don’t want attention on them but they’re getting rich men investing in them and that’s the goal i think : have money and live the life that you want without bragging; just being grateful. In my experience Montreal have the richest men of all Canada it’s just that they are kind of greedy and/or with a lot of family responsibilities so they try to manage better their money. I do have rich clients but it’s just clients and at the end of the day I like it to be with no attach so that I can meet more and more affluent people. Until you are not in that circle you will never know it exist. It’s like escorts and massage salon. Until last year in March 2022 I didn’t know all this existed in Montreal. But here I am : a curvy black independent escort on a review board talking to hobbyists and making myself a reputation.
I had a podcast that was available on YouTube we’re I talk about my life as a sugar baby and as a newbie escort but now it’s only available on Patreon. You can google my name and do some research. It should be on the first page.
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Maybe should I add that I was in an exclusive relation with my SD ( I didn’t have any boyfriend and it wasn’t bothering me because I learned to love him and money was good too lol). In life in general when a man is really interested into you he is going to do anything to get you. On the other side if you doesn’t attract him anymore he will treat you like garbage. No wonder why some marriage are destroyed but they stay together because of the kids or family responsibilities or the man have a lot to loose financially if he divorce his wife.
My SD didn’t tell me he doesn’t like me anymore but all his actions were saying it. He won’t like to bring me to the restaurant anymore; no spa; no more activities. All he wanted was taking a room and spend 2-3h Fucking me; not even ordering some Uber eats. If I ask for gas money to see him he will get angry; if I ask him anything he will be really irritated. And if ever I refuse to meet him at the hotel he will be mad at me for weeks even if we meet after that. It became so transactional and so toxic that we mutually decided it wasn’t worth it. I’m sure he find another young lady that he can love bomb until he will get use to her and start asking for her time for free. And most of the girls will stay because he did so much already. I stayed at some point because I wanted us to go back how it was before but he wasn’t whiling to give me any love or any penny anymore. So I left to find peace; I won’t let especially a married man ruin my youth for only his own pleasure.
I think there are 2 issues coursing through your post, which are kind of interesting to discuss, one is exclusivity vs. non-exclusivity in arrangements, and the other is either the SD getting sick of the SB, or the SB getting sick of the SD. These are related, but distinct issues for reasons that I will discuss based on my own experience.
I have almost 10 years of arrangement experience, mostly on SA, but I dabbled in some other dating sites as well. Initially, I thought I would want to have an exclusive, long term arrangement. Over time, however, I learned that is not what I really wanted. First of all, I realized that most SBs did not want an exclusive arrangement, many had BFs, and some just did not want to be "committed" to any one person whether a SD or otherwise, and believed in open relationships. In addition to that, I discovered that some SBs I got sick of pretty quickly. Even the ones where I continued to be strongly sexually attracted to them, I still wanted to have other sexual partners besides them.
I was in a 3.5 year arrangement from June 2017 to December 2020 with one SB. She was great. Initially with her the sexual part was restrictive, but over time it became less restrictive to the point where it was not restrictive at all. There was genuine mutual attraction. We went on numerous trips, the final of which was to Maine at the height of Covid in August 2020. It was one of the best trips in my life- maybe the best. The lady had an off the charts energy level that was contagious. She wanted to do everything there was to do. We went to the beach, we went to wineries for wine tastings, we went on a harbor cruise, we did culinary tours, everything you can think of and more. The first two days of the trip I never felt more fatigued in my life, and it was also partly because she could drink like a fish and not only not lose energy, but gain it. She was a human charging cord. In October of 2020, at a time when she was 26 years old, she told me she wanted to bag the arrangement and instead have a serious relationship. At that point I had only been paying her for intimate dates, so I agreed. Shortly after agreeing, and after a few more dates, she told me she wanted a baby with me. She said she had "baby fever." This was shocking news as early in our arrangement, she had told me of her plan to foster a child and then adopt, and that she did not want to have to deal with childbirth and raising a baby and instead would adopt a 5 year old. This plan changed, in part I think because her first cousin in the prior year (2019) gave birth to twins. She then became extremely emotionally attached to the cousin's toddlers and was always showing me pics of them. Well, I was not prepared to be a father for the first time at my age, had no desire to have children, and told her that. Although I also told her that if she decided to have her own child I would be a father figure for the kid, but would not support the kid. I was, soon thereafter, history. I was quickly thrown out of her life.
Despite how well that arrangement had worked- it was great in all respects- I never had any desire for exclusivity with her. I dated many other women while seeing her. Initially that was because she was (at first) not so great sexually, but later it was because I just wanted to have sex with other women. I realized I was not monogamous.
In 2018, while still in the arrangement with the one noted above, I started seeing another woman who was slightly younger. Also met her through SA. The one I saw from 2017 to 2020 was a black lady, while the younger one i started seeing in 2018 is half African and half Portuguese, but looks like Ariana Grande. I still see her regularly over 5 years later, but our arrangement has evolved. Although initially I did dinner dates and even a trip to Maine with her, over time, I realized she is really not a dinner date or trips kind of SB. Her idea of where to go for a fun dinner is to get an egg sandwich on a bagel from Dunkin Donuts, washed down with a Coolata. Or a frappe from McDonald's. And on the one trip I did with her, she was not like the other SB I mentioned above. Not a great energy level, more of a person who had rather go to the movies or stay at the hotel and watch TV. Sexually, however, she is fantastic, and I never have tired of intimacy with her. In the 5 years I have been seeing her, she has cycled through 2 boyfriends. Both of those relationships ended very badly. Although sexually she is fantastic, and has been my primary SB since 2020, I still have a strong desire to meet and develop intimate relationships with other women. It's a sense of sexual curiosity that I have. It's as though I am eternally in a quest for great sex and having as much of it with as varied a number of women as possible, a la Wilt Chamberlain. I might not ever surpass Wilt, but I will probably keep trying.
I believe the guys who really want to have an exclusive SB are, at their core, needy and possessive creatures. Wanting to have a woman on a leash or rope or on speed dial is the only possible reason in my mind for an exclusive SB. I cannot grasp another plausible reason. From the SB point of view, there is a plausible reason for exclusivity, with one SD, which Alisha has already mentioned. FINANCIAL SECURITY. Indeed, all the ones who want an exclusive SD need a set amount per month, have limited availability for SB activities, and therefore one SD is the only way to make that security happen. So I see exclusivity as a one way street. And even the SB with an "exclusive" SD, she may and usually will have a BF.
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Yes I think you got my point and Im really happy that you were one of the rare SD who actually didn’t try to take advantage of your SD. I’m sorry if she wanted more than what you discussed at first. People change their minds so it’s important to always communicate and separate if needed. The first part of my comment was just to say that the app use to be good because I had a SD for 2 years and he was whiling to pay the price for exclusivity. I didn’t needed a boyfriend because I was okay with meeting just him as long as he take care of me.
And the second part of my comment was just to explain how bad the app became with men wanting exclusivity and especially bare sex for not even a real investment in the girl. All they want is easily manipulated young girls that have no guidance in that lifestyle. And I then gave an example of a man that I met after my SD and I thought it was a good deal until one day he gave me half of the expected amount and got angry when I asked the rest. That’s a manipulative tactic. A more naive girl would have beg him to take her back because she doesn’t know better.
I was just trying to compare my 2020 experience VS my 2022 experience and how bad it went on both sides. SB don’t get paid enough for all the requirements of the SD and presumably SD are angry because it cost them too much money according to them. For sure now my arrangements with regular clients are different from what I used to have with my SD and financially wise it’s more profitable because I can meet who ever I want without betraying anyone.
Seeking in Paris Part I
In anticipation of a trip to Paris, I checked out Seeking for Paris. My research revealed that are certainly a lot of very attractive women in Paris on the site--some are obviously high end pros but some seem to be part-time amateurs and semipros who have a life different from the full time pros. I do speak French so that helped me in contacting the girls, but some post their profiles in English even though they may not be native speakers of English. I made a few decent contacts via Seeking messages and got some numbers on WhatsApp. I was cautiously optimistic about the possibility of meeting someone. But it was hard to say what would happen when I got on the ground. I didn't discuss $ (well, Euros) with any of them. I hoped that I could find someone good for something like 250-400 Euros, but I didn't know. Now that I have returned home, here's my experience.
I met three desirable ladies in person (I will call them Femme 1, Femme 2 and Femme 3), had dinner with all three and sex with two of the three. I didn't pay anything beyond the cost of dinner for the social time that I spent with all three and I paid 300 Euros each to the two that I had sex with.
Femme 1 was the first one that I met on my second night in Paris. She is a 30ish, pretty, fit, blond, well educated and interesting single woman who is employed full-time at a financial institution. It was easy to set up a date with her and she never mentioned money even once during our messaging on WhatsApp. In fact, since we never did consummate our relationship, she never mentioned money when I was with her in person either. She was the most attractive of the three women that I met. In the USA a woman with her looks could easily command $500+ on a PPM basis on Seeking.
We started off with a drink at a cafe close to my hotel and she seemed interested in spending more time with me so I suggested dinner at a nearby nice but modest restaurant and she agreed. Though she spoke some English, my French was much better than her English and so we conversed in French. The conversation flowed pretty easily and I found myself feeling that it was hard to believe that things could go so well, especially compared to how challenging it can be to find desirable women where I live in the USA (mid size city in the southeast USA). Dinner and wine were good and we walked back to my hotel. I invited her to come up to my room to "listen to some music"
since we had talked about our tastes in music (I always travel with a Sony mini speaker for such occasions). I was surprised when she accepted because it was late and she had to work the next day but when good fortune smiles on me, I don't don't question it.
So we went up to my room and sitting close to each other, we listened to and talked about music. Even though it was a tiny room, she wasn't sitting on the bed. I was sitting on the bed and she was in a chair next to me. I did initiate physical contact, but I didn't get the response I was hoping for (enthusiastic kissing in return). In the back of mind, I kept thinking that she would give me a clear signal to discuss sex and a price that would please her and me but she never ventured there. Strangely, I got the feeling that she viewed Seeking as more or less a normal dating site and that sex on a first date was just not something that she did. She mentioned that a friend of hers had met a guy on Seeking and gotten married to him.
Since she was not giving me the green light, I didn't want to offend her by making an explicit proposition so I didn't, but I was hoping that maybe a second date the next day would lead to sex. We did hold hands and we kissed lightly a couple times. Nevertheless, I was puzzled. Why would she pick me, old enough to be her father to go on a normal date with? I was well-qualified to be her client in a mutually satisfying business deal, but I couldn't understand why she would spend her time with me--a foreigner, in town for only a week and significantly older than her-- on a normal date. But I enjoyed spending time with her and I wasn't bothered by the fact that we clearly were not going to have sex that night.
It was my first foray into a Seeking encounter in a foreign land and I had not wanted to put myself or her in an awkward situation. She had given me some clear "go slow" signals, so my strategy of tactical retreat with a possible renewed offensive on Day 2 of the battle seemed wise.
We eventually called it a night and she said she would like to see me again while I was in town, maybe to do something during the day on her day off or to have another dinner. I said I would love that; we kissed good night and she left. Since it has been a while since I had had a dinner companion of her beauty and charm, I was happy with my evening and hopeful for a different end to a second meeting.
In anticipation of a trip to Paris, I checked out Seeking for Paris. My research revealed that are certainly a lot of very attractive women in Paris on the site--some are obviously high end pros but some seem to be part-time amateurs and semipros who have a life different from the full time pros. I do speak French so that helped me in contacting the girls, but some post their profiles in English even though they may not be native speakers of English. I made a few decent contacts via Seeking messages and got some numbers on WhatsApp. I was cautiously optimistic about the possibility of meeting someone. But it was hard to say what would happen when I got on the ground. I didn't discuss $ (well, Euros) with any of them. I hoped that I could find someone good for something like 250-400 Euros, but I didn't know. Now that I have returned home, here's my experience.
I met three desirable ladies in person (I will call them Femme 1, Femme 2 and Femme 3), had dinner with all three and sex with two of the three. I didn't pay anything beyond the cost of dinner for the social time that I spent with all three and I paid 300 Euros each to the two that I had sex with.
Femme 1 was the first one that I met on my second night in Paris. She is a 30ish, pretty, fit, blond, well educated and interesting single woman who is employed full-time at a financial institution. It was easy to set up a date with her and she never mentioned money even once during our messaging on WhatsApp. In fact, since we never did consummate our relationship, she never mentioned money when I was with her in person either. She was the most attractive of the three women that I met. In the USA a woman with her looks could easily command $500+ on a PPM basis on Seeking.
We started off with a drink at a cafe close to my hotel and she seemed interested in spending more time with me so I suggested dinner at a nearby nice but modest restaurant and she agreed. Though she spoke some English, my French was much better than her English and so we conversed in French. The conversation flowed pretty easily and I found myself feeling that it was hard to believe that things could go so well, especially compared to how challenging it can be to find desirable women where I live in the USA (mid size city in the southeast USA). Dinner and wine were good and we walked back to my hotel. I invited her to come up to my room to "listen to some music"
since we had talked about our tastes in music (I always travel with a Sony mini speaker for such occasions). I was surprised when she accepted because it was late and she had to work the next day but when good fortune smiles on me, I don't don't question it.So we went up to my room and sitting close to each other, we listened to and talked about music. Even though it was a tiny room, she wasn't sitting on the bed. I was sitting on the bed and she was in a chair next to me. I did initiate physical contact, but I didn't get the response I was hoping for (enthusiastic kissing in return). In the back of mind, I kept thinking that she would give me a clear signal to discuss sex and a price that would please her and me but she never ventured there. Strangely, I got the feeling that she viewed Seeking as more or less a normal dating site and that sex on a first date was just not something that she did. She mentioned that a friend of hers had met a guy on Seeking and gotten married to him.
Since she was not giving me the green light, I didn't want to offend her by making an explicit proposition so I didn't, but I was hoping that maybe a second date the next day would lead to sex. We did hold hands and we kissed lightly a couple times. Nevertheless, I was puzzled. Why would she pick me, old enough to be her father to go on a normal date with? I was well-qualified to be her client in a mutually satisfying business deal, but I couldn't understand why she would spend her time with me--a foreigner, in town for only a week and significantly older than her-- on a normal date. But I enjoyed spending time with her and I wasn't bothered by the fact that we clearly were not going to have sex that night.
It was my first foray into a Seeking encounter in a foreign land and I had not wanted to put myself or her in an awkward situation. She had given me some clear "go slow" signals, so my strategy of tactical retreat with a possible renewed offensive on Day 2 of the battle seemed wise.
We eventually called it a night and she said she would like to see me again while I was in town, maybe to do something during the day on her day off or to have another dinner. I said I would love that; we kissed good night and she left. Since it has been a while since I had had a dinner companion of her beauty and charm, I was happy with my evening and hopeful for a different end to a second meeting.
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Seeking in Paris part II
Femme 1 followed up with me the next day, but only to say that she was too tired and too busy at work to meet me that evening. I replied that I understood and let her know that I would really like to meet her again but I decided not to invest any more time and energy in her, since I would be in Paris only for several more days. If I had been sticking around longer, then I think there would have been a decent chance to turn the relationship into something worthwhile (including sex for $) but I just didn't have time, especially considering that I had other contacts to explore.
So I moved on to Femme 2. Her photos were very nice-she had a French girl next door innocence look that was very appealing but also a couple sexy bathing suit shots that were even more appealing. Also, reading between the lines of her profile, she seemed much more open to playing ball right from the start. I messaged her on WhatsApp the next day, following up on a few exchanges that we had had while I was still in the USA. She was eager and available that same night. I was somewhat relieved when she turned the back and forth on WhatsApp to the topic of compensation and specifics of a meeting. I proposed dinner and then "intimacy" back at my room for that night. She said that her rate was 400 Euros for such a PPM encounter and I replied that I was "used to" paying 200. Without hesitation she countered with 300 and I accepted.
She arrived at my hotel on time and upon meeting her in person, I liked her look but she didn't really measure up to Femme 1 in looks and charm. It was clear to me that she had done this more than a few times and maybe I wasn't catching her on her best night. Like Femme 1, she worked in finance and maybe found her job less than fulfilling and kind of boring. She had a good education and had spent a year in northern California at an American university business school. Interestingly, it was during that year that one of her classmates and friends had turned her on to Seeking. She must have been much in demand in her role as the French college girl sugar baby in America.
Dinner was fine and she was interesting to talk to. Her English was excellent and we conversed back and forth in both languages. I didn't like the restaurant where we wound up and I didn't find her as charming and appealing as Femme 1. But she was cute, young, had a pretty nice body and there were no doubts about what we would do back in my room.
So we returned to my room and got down to business. She performed well but I didn't feel any real passion during the encounter. Maybe she was thinking that I would not be around for repeat business so she didn't have to put on her best performance. I liked her, I enjoyed her company and the sex was pretty good (especially after the previous letdown with Femme 1), but if I had been staying in Paris for a while, I would not have wanted to meet her again. It seemed like there were lots more possibilities out there.
So the next day, I messaged on WhatsApp a couple more ladies with whom I had already made contact. Both responded positively to me and I got the feeling that both would be fun dates who would also provide what a man wants, though neither one brought up the subject of money. I actually like that because it made it feel like more of a challenge to reach a satisfying deal. Neither one could meet that night but both could meet the following night. I liked the looks of both-one was a more mature, MILFy and very attractive North African woman and the other was a younger (25) Eurasian cutie. I love women with a look that is a bit exotic so they both appealed to me. It was a tough choice but I picked the younger Eurasian.
So I set up a dinner date with Femme 3, the Eurasian, for the following night. We consulted about the restaurant and she recommended a traditional French place that would be convenient for both of us to reach.
She even made a reservation.
The next evening I found her waiting outside the restaurant at the appointed hour. Her photos are very nice and she lived up to them. She is a mix of southeast Asian and European and the result is very appealing. She carries a little extra weight but in a nice way with womanly curves and nice boobs. Her face is model pretty with perfect skin and a pretty smile.
She was a very charming and fun dinner companion and the meal was very good. We shared a bottle of wine and the dinner passed enjoyably. We walked back to my hotel and I invited her up to "listen to music", but I don't think I even needed to use that line again. She was happy to come back to my room.
Once in the room, she was very coy. I knew she was willing to have sex but she allowed me to move things along. After a while we wound up lounging on the bed and I initiated some physical contact including some light kisses. Wow! It was like I lit a fire inside her. She kissed back enthusiastically. With tongues. This girl was a kisser extraordinaire. She loved to kiss and allowed free roaming of my hands.
However, I wasn't sure that I was ready to take her on that night. I was tired from a long day of activity and the wine and the food didn't put me in my best form for sex. Also we still hadn't discussed her compensation. I proposed that we meet again the next night and do the bedroom activities first and then go to another dinner. I mentioned a number (300 Euros) and she said that would be good. So after more kissing and cuddling she left and I looked forward to the next night.
She returned to my hotel early the next evening and we proceeded directly to where we had left off the night before. As she undressed, she revealed that she was wearing some nice lingerie including matching white bra, panties, garter belt and stockings. I had not asked for that, but what a nice, thoughtful gesture on her part. She looked fabulous and the whole package got my motor running. The sex was great, especially in doggie position facing the full length mirror on the bathroom door (located very close to the bed in my tiny hotel room).
We finished up and went out for another nice dinner at an Italian place that she also had recommended.
So I feel like I had a successful Seeking experience in Paris. I had never used it before outside of my home area and I didn't know what to expect. But all in all, it was far better and easier to find, meet and and enjoy the intimate companionship of desirable women than in my home area. And still reasonably priced, considering that Paris is an expensive city. Quite apart from the three women that I met, I had a great time in Paris. But adding in those three interesting encounters made my week in Paris that much more enjoyable.
Femme 1 followed up with me the next day, but only to say that she was too tired and too busy at work to meet me that evening. I replied that I understood and let her know that I would really like to meet her again but I decided not to invest any more time and energy in her, since I would be in Paris only for several more days. If I had been sticking around longer, then I think there would have been a decent chance to turn the relationship into something worthwhile (including sex for $) but I just didn't have time, especially considering that I had other contacts to explore.
So I moved on to Femme 2. Her photos were very nice-she had a French girl next door innocence look that was very appealing but also a couple sexy bathing suit shots that were even more appealing. Also, reading between the lines of her profile, she seemed much more open to playing ball right from the start. I messaged her on WhatsApp the next day, following up on a few exchanges that we had had while I was still in the USA. She was eager and available that same night. I was somewhat relieved when she turned the back and forth on WhatsApp to the topic of compensation and specifics of a meeting. I proposed dinner and then "intimacy" back at my room for that night. She said that her rate was 400 Euros for such a PPM encounter and I replied that I was "used to" paying 200. Without hesitation she countered with 300 and I accepted.
She arrived at my hotel on time and upon meeting her in person, I liked her look but she didn't really measure up to Femme 1 in looks and charm. It was clear to me that she had done this more than a few times and maybe I wasn't catching her on her best night. Like Femme 1, she worked in finance and maybe found her job less than fulfilling and kind of boring. She had a good education and had spent a year in northern California at an American university business school. Interestingly, it was during that year that one of her classmates and friends had turned her on to Seeking. She must have been much in demand in her role as the French college girl sugar baby in America.
Dinner was fine and she was interesting to talk to. Her English was excellent and we conversed back and forth in both languages. I didn't like the restaurant where we wound up and I didn't find her as charming and appealing as Femme 1. But she was cute, young, had a pretty nice body and there were no doubts about what we would do back in my room.
So we returned to my room and got down to business. She performed well but I didn't feel any real passion during the encounter. Maybe she was thinking that I would not be around for repeat business so she didn't have to put on her best performance. I liked her, I enjoyed her company and the sex was pretty good (especially after the previous letdown with Femme 1), but if I had been staying in Paris for a while, I would not have wanted to meet her again. It seemed like there were lots more possibilities out there.
So the next day, I messaged on WhatsApp a couple more ladies with whom I had already made contact. Both responded positively to me and I got the feeling that both would be fun dates who would also provide what a man wants, though neither one brought up the subject of money. I actually like that because it made it feel like more of a challenge to reach a satisfying deal. Neither one could meet that night but both could meet the following night. I liked the looks of both-one was a more mature, MILFy and very attractive North African woman and the other was a younger (25) Eurasian cutie. I love women with a look that is a bit exotic so they both appealed to me. It was a tough choice but I picked the younger Eurasian.
So I set up a dinner date with Femme 3, the Eurasian, for the following night. We consulted about the restaurant and she recommended a traditional French place that would be convenient for both of us to reach.
She even made a reservation.
The next evening I found her waiting outside the restaurant at the appointed hour. Her photos are very nice and she lived up to them. She is a mix of southeast Asian and European and the result is very appealing. She carries a little extra weight but in a nice way with womanly curves and nice boobs. Her face is model pretty with perfect skin and a pretty smile.
She was a very charming and fun dinner companion and the meal was very good. We shared a bottle of wine and the dinner passed enjoyably. We walked back to my hotel and I invited her up to "listen to music", but I don't think I even needed to use that line again. She was happy to come back to my room.
Once in the room, she was very coy. I knew she was willing to have sex but she allowed me to move things along. After a while we wound up lounging on the bed and I initiated some physical contact including some light kisses. Wow! It was like I lit a fire inside her. She kissed back enthusiastically. With tongues. This girl was a kisser extraordinaire. She loved to kiss and allowed free roaming of my hands.
However, I wasn't sure that I was ready to take her on that night. I was tired from a long day of activity and the wine and the food didn't put me in my best form for sex. Also we still hadn't discussed her compensation. I proposed that we meet again the next night and do the bedroom activities first and then go to another dinner. I mentioned a number (300 Euros) and she said that would be good. So after more kissing and cuddling she left and I looked forward to the next night.
She returned to my hotel early the next evening and we proceeded directly to where we had left off the night before. As she undressed, she revealed that she was wearing some nice lingerie including matching white bra, panties, garter belt and stockings. I had not asked for that, but what a nice, thoughtful gesture on her part. She looked fabulous and the whole package got my motor running. The sex was great, especially in doggie position facing the full length mirror on the bathroom door (located very close to the bed in my tiny hotel room).
We finished up and went out for another nice dinner at an Italian place that she also had recommended.
So I feel like I had a successful Seeking experience in Paris. I had never used it before outside of my home area and I didn't know what to expect. But all in all, it was far better and easier to find, meet and and enjoy the intimate companionship of desirable women than in my home area. And still reasonably priced, considering that Paris is an expensive city. Quite apart from the three women that I met, I had a great time in Paris. But adding in those three interesting encounters made my week in Paris that much more enjoyable.
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