Manifestation anti prostitution à Montréal

[PAINFULDAYS]

Yes black market will mean very high prices and it will be like the Wild West. Exactly, decrimilization would be the best care scenario.

with regulations, agencies doesn't have any choice but to follow and declare, and everyone is treated as an employees, they may get back some benefits...
there will always be a black market.... it will always have illegal worker just like all domain... but it will be easier to flag/spot ...
if the consequence is increasing 30% only... it's worth it...

Legalized will mean taxes and the end of BBBJ. Are you ready for non GFE service? A gaffe style, CBJ and FS. No BBBJ, no DFK, and no DATY. Government will want a cut out of every transaction, prices will go up 30%.

maybe creating a health passport for every providers and clients.
BBBJ are as risky as BBFS

 

[EagerBeaver]

if the consequence is increasing 30% only... it's worth it...

First, if you think it's only going up 30%, you are very naive. You are assuming that the amount of the increase to pay taxes is only to satisfy the government's appetite for revenue. But you are forgetting that regulation comes at a cost. Employees will need to be hired, and paid, to perform regulatory tasks. You think they will do them for free? Will you do this job for free?

Second, the more layers you add, the higher the costs go. Health passports? So who pays for the medical exams? Are they done for free? And who pays for the costs of having records kept, filed, and checked? Are you volunteering to do these tasks so that costs will be kept down?

You are either looking at creating a new department or agency or involving at least 3. The health department for the medical aspect. The tax department to collect taxes. And the Department of Consumer Protection (or similar provincial agency) for licensure and record keeping. And then each department will need to coordinate with the other, and another person will need to be hired for that job. And on and on and on.

If a 50% increase will not shift the demand into a black market, I do not know what will. But the costs in the black market, unfortunately, will go up as well, because increased regulation means increased enforcement of regulation, and attendant legal costs of defending and avoiding prosecution. Attorneys will need to be hired by agencies to set up sham limited liability companies through which revenue can be washed and cleansed, much like in most states of the USA where prostitution is illegal and those laws enforced. Those legal costs will be built into hourly fees. There are some agencies that already have a revenue washing business that is attached, but this is going to proliferate. Plus attorneys need to be paid when an escort is pinched and prosecuted for operating without a license, letting it lapse or her "health passport" is out of date. You think attorneys handle cases like that for free? It's probably a minimum of 2 court appearances. So you have to build in some of those costs as well.

It's going to get very, very expensive and become more of a rich man's game. The blue collar guy will have the choice of street walkers or jerking off. He will be squeezed out. Sort of like how when the Yankees started charging $100 per month for a subscription to YES only to see Yankees baseball games. Even I am not going to pay that. So while the Yankees are playing great baseball, you only get to watch them regular if you pay the big bucks. Otherwise you settle for the Wednesday night games on Amazon Prime.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

decriminalization will create more victims...
but if fully legalized, and regulated just like a therapist job, putting rules on it!!!

I don't know what you do in life, let's say you are in IT. Working in IT is not "legal" per se. Not only is your job not categorized as legal, it's a right you have to choose that job and work in this field. I don't want my job to be legalized, I don't want it to be regulated, I want to have the right to choose to be a sex worker, to work in this field, just like anyone freely chooses to do any job. I want it to be decriminalized, just like any job.

Also, psychotherapists are not "legal", doctors, dentists and physiotherapists aren't either. They have an "Ordre", which is a mandatory association that puts rules in place to protect the public against misconduct. It comes with annual fees and obligations such as continuing education. It has nothing to do with the government and with the legality of their job.

 

[CaptRenault]

It is anticipated that the Quebec government will soon seek to profit or impose taxes on those involved in the sex industry…

Please provide a link to a reliable source for your unsubstantiated claim. And don’t tell me that you’re “an expert” and so everyone should just believe you.

 

[CaptRenault]

...it's a right you have to choose that job and work in this field. I don't want my job to be legalized, I don't want it to be regulated, I want to have the right to choose to be a sex worker, to work in this field, just like anyone freely chooses to do any job. I want it to be decriminalized, just like any job.

Also, psychotherapists are not "legal", doctors, dentists and physiotherapists aren't either. They have an "Ordre", which is a mandatory association that puts rules in place to protect the public against misconduct. It comes with annual fees and obligations such as continuing education. It has nothing to do with the government and with the legality of their job.

You are skipping over a hugely important part of the process of what constitutes the legality of a profession. Only the national or a provincial government can grant an ordre (e.g., the Ordre des médecins du Québec) the power to regulate a profession, establish standards for licensure, and grant licenses to those people who qualify. Without the power of the law behind it, the Ordre des médecins du Québec is powerless.

Here is the relevant law for the province of Quebec:

Légis Québec

www.legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca

There is no "right" to become a doctor unless the ordre says so and the ordre has no power unless the provincial government says so in its statutes.

I understand what you're trying to say and everyone here agrees with you, i.e., that you don't want sex work to be legalized and regulated by any government. Nevertheless, it's true that lots of professions and industries are heavily regulated by government and that's a necessary evil in a modern society. Unfortunately governments love to regulate people and industries and sometimes they go too far. Do we really need licenses for barbers? And we certainly don't need them for strippers and escorts, though there is no evidence right now that the province of Quebec is planning to establish licenses for sex workers.

 

[Fradi]

The yearly hype against prostitution will end the day after the Grand Prix ends like it does every year and things will go back to normal.
All those feminists that need a bag over their head if they ever want to get laid will go back to planning next years march and the politicians will have done their job of showing how wonderful Montreal is and the cops will go back to playing it safe and giving parking and speeding tickets to the masses trying to get to and from their jobs to make a living.
We are all used to this annual BS posturing.at Grand Prix time when the world is watching.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Every year at around this time it’s the same old bullshit that creeps up & it’ll disappear as soon as the GP ends, as the previous poster pointed out. But i don’t necessarily believe the outrage (whether fake or not) comes from feminists. I know many feminists who either don’t give a damn or simply want a woman’s right to chose what she does with her body or which profession she choses to earn a living. I fully support this. What i see as a problem are the religious fanatics & intolerant right wingers who don’t respect a person’s right to chose in a free society. They’d rather impose their will & their beliefs on the society they chose to live in.

 

[Frenchwomen#1]

i hate abolitionists. not doing anyone any favors. I saw signs like men and women will never be equal while prostitution exists. Well then, i guess women will never bee equal...
Or signs like ''real equality between men and women." I often feel like the women i see have as much (if not more) power than i have. I am the one giving up large sums of money to be intimate for very short periods of time. The girls I see set their limits and I respect them always, no questions asked. Who has the power?

It will never change they can dream on!

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

Please provide a link to a reliable source for your unsubstantiated claim. And don’t tell me that you’re “an expert” and so everyone should just believe you.

In my opinion, I consider myself knowledgeable in certain areas in my delusional mind. I have observed a pattern in government behavior where they tend to impose taxes on sectors that generate significant revenue. This can be seen throughout history, such as with alcohol, tobacco, sports betting, slot machines, and now even cannabis. Some people, individuals like yourself, may have initially found it amusing to think that the government would get involved in selling cannabis. However, as we have seen, the government has taken on this role, operating like a legitimate business. I believe in speaking candidly and expressing my views without reservation.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Every year at around this time it’s the same old bullshit that creeps up & it’ll disappear as soon as the GP ends, as the previous poster pointed out. But i don’t necessarily believe the outrage (whether fake or not) comes from feminists. I know many feminists who either don’t give a damn or simply want a woman’s right to chose what she does with her body or which profession she choses to earn a living. I fully support this. What i see as a problem are the religious fanatics & intolerant right wingers who don’t respect a person’s right to chose in a free society. They’d rather impose their will & their beliefs on the society they chose to live in.

CLES is a feminist organization. The push is coming from feminists. Montreal as a matter of fact Quebec is not known for being very religious, in fact it is probably the most atheist province in Canada. The religious Christian fanatics is more a US thing.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The religious Christian fanatics is more a US thing.

Really only in the bible belt states, not on the east or west coasts so much.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The religious Christian fanatics is more a US thing.

Not anymore. There are some doozies out in western Canada in Alberta & Saskatchewan & in some regions in southern Ontario. Many of them have begun to infiltrate the Conservative Party & why many suspect they’ll try to impose their religious agenda of they ever get into power in the next federal election. But that’s another topic altogether so i won’t dwell further Into this.

But the province of Quebec does have its share of religious cults. Remember the Raelians? They’re not as much in the news anymore. I remember meeting a well-known hobbyist a dozen years ago who had began to hang out at their compound. There was some weird shit going on! Also does anyone remember Roch “Moise” Theriault’s cult? It had began in Quebec & he relocated to southern Ontario where he ended up dying if i remember. Lots of weird shit was going on!

 

[CLOUD 500]

Not anymore. There are some doozies out in western Canada in Alberta & Saskatchewan & in some regions in southern Ontario. Many of them have begun to infiltrate the Conservative Party & why many suspect they’ll try to impose their religious agenda of they ever get into power in the next federal election. But that’s another topic altogether so i won’t dwell further Into this.

You are right for Alberta and Saskatchewan but I choose to omit the prairie provinces as the reality in Quebec is very different.

But the province of Quebec does have its share of religious cults. Remember the Raelians? They’re not as much in the news anymore. I remember meeting a well-known hobbyist a dozen years ago who had began to hang out at their compound. There was some weird shit going on! Also does anyone remember Roch “Moise” Theriault’s cult? It had began in Quebec & he relocated to southern Ontario where he ended up dying if i remember. Lots of weird shit was going on!

True for cults but is not mainstream in Quebec hence it being a cult. Neither are political parties in Quebec have much association with religion. I think currently, Quebec is the only province the Federal Conservatives are not doing so well in.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Really only in the bible belt states, not on the east or west coasts so much.

You are right about that, I should have been more specific.

 

[CaptRenault]

... But i don’t necessarily believe the outrage (whether fake or not) comes from feminists. I know many feminists who either don’t give a damn or simply want a woman’s right to chose what she does with her body or which profession she choses to earn a living. I fully support this. What i see as a problem are the religious fanatics & intolerant right wingers who don’t respect a person’s right to chose in a free society.

Doc, yes, there are those on the right and some conservative religious groups that oppose prostitution. It was the conservative Harper government that passed the current law.

But the real energy in the abolitionist movement comes from left-wing feminist groups like this one. It doesn't matter that you "know many feminists who don't give a damn."

La CLES | Concertation des luttes contre l'exploitation sexuelle

Le CLES est une organisation à but non lucratif qui apporte son soutien aux femmes et aux jeunes filles qui ont été ou sont victimes d'exploitation sexuelle.

www.lacles.org

The leftist Trudeau government has had the power for years to overturn C-36 and Trudeau has done nothing to do so. As I have pointed out before, he has even stated on the record that he believes that "prostitution is violence." So don't try to blame the anti-prostitution movement on the right alone. Both sides of the political aisle are to blame.

 

[nothinghere]

"Les manifestants, qui voient toute forme de prostitution comme de l’exploitation sexuelle"....really? What happened to "My body my choice"?

"Système de la prostitution"....prostitution is systemic? Relating to a "system"?? What is this "system"?

"Abolition de la prostitution"....That is a new slogan for me.

Let's take a look at the definition "abolish"

1. to make void, to annul, applied chiefly to established laws, contracts, and institutions
2. to destroy or put an end to.

Let's take a look at the definition of "Exploit":

1. To achieve.
2. to make use of, to utilize, to turn to account
3. to make unethical use of for one's own advantage or profit,
to turn selfishly or unfairly to one's own account.
4. In Marxism to make profit from the labour of others.

That article turned my brain into mush.
Very odd no mention of pimps.
Technically a pimp would be exploiting so if no pimps no exploitation??
What about a booker, driver, or an Uber?..they making profits too.
Is an Uber driver "Exploiting" women by driving a sugardaddy girl to a client?
That article swarming with buzzwords with no clear definitions.
So there was a counter protest? I guess everything cancels out into a nothingburger.


La CLES | Concertation des luttes contre l'exploitation sexuelleConcertation des luttes contre l’exploitation sexuellehttps:

They gonna start an army?
"formation pour les militantes engagées dans la lutte pour les droits des femmes."
We already have a civil code for rights and a constitution.
Very curious stuff.

Militer et prendre position

T

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

As I had expected before the Grand Prix.

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/06/03/exploitation-sexuelle--les-policiers-invitent-les-travailleuses-du-sexe-a-denoncer-la-violence-a-leur-egard

 

[MCTJ]

Ce "témoignage anonyme" dans la chronique de Maria Mourani ce matin est tellement rempli de clichés que je gage "un gros brun" que c'est inventé de toutes pièces:

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/06/06/grand-prix-du-canada-et-prostitution-une-survivante-raconte-un-enfer

Edit: je sens le besoin de spécifier ici que je ne nie pas la souffrance de celles qui sont vicitimes d'exploitation sexuelle (i.e. forcées de se prostituer contre leur gré), qui est bien réelle. Je fais uniquement part de mon scepticisme face à ce "témoignage" particulier rempli de clichés.

 

[curly]

Ce "témoignage anonyme" dans la chronique de Maria Mourani ce matin est tellement rempli de clichés que je gage "un gros brun" que c'est inventé de toutes pièces:

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/06/06/grand-prix-du-canada-et-prostitution-une-survivante-raconte-un-enfer

Edit: je sens le besoin de spécifier ici que je ne nie pas la souffrance de celles qui sont vicitimes d'exploitation sexuelle (i.e. forcées de se prostituer contre leur gré), qui est bien réelle. Je fais uniquement part de mon scepticisme face à ce "témoignage" particulier rempli de clichés.

Maria Mourani a tellement le piton collé sur la prostitution quelle n'en voit plus clair. Aucun discernement, aucun sens critique. Je ne suis pas certain qu'elle a inventé ça elle même, mais ça se peut très bien que quelqu'un lui a passé une histoire écrite par ChatGPT et qu'elle l'a publié parce que ça fait son affaire...

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Maria Mourani a tellement le piton collé sur la prostitution quelle n'en voit plus clair. Aucun discernement, aucun sens critique. Je ne suis pas certain qu'elle a inventé ça elle même, mais ça se peut très bien que quelqu'un lui a passé une histoire écrite par ChatGPT et qu'elle l'a publié parce que ça fait son affaire...

Bingo, Mourani est en mission, rien de nouveau