Montreal borough wants a 'zone of tolerance' for prostitution

[CWipes]

The borough of Hochelaga-Maisonneuve wants sex workers on its territory to operate freely on a stretch of Ste-Catherine Street East.

The idea is to create a "zone of tolerance" in a less residential stretch of the street, between Moreau and Alphonse D. Roy streets, where prostitutes could work without police interference.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/06/17/hochelaga-maisonneuve-.html

My view is that instead of street walkers, I'd like to see an area similar to the Red light district in Amsterdam, NL.

Why re-invent the wheel?

 

[snoodle]

Legalize it !

 

[pat98]

Long way to go before legalization !

Excerpt from cbc website :

Ménard said the borough officials have already been in contact with police about the proposal.
"What I have requested is two things: move the girls and be more tolerant in this area in a way that moves it out of the residential areas," he said. "I am aware it is a delicate situation for the SPVM and our commander."

However, as soon as the plan became public, the city was quick to condemn it, citing the illegality of prostitution.
"Creating a zone of tolerance is unacceptable as a solution for both the city and police," said Jocelyn-Ann Campbell, the city's head of social development.

The riding's MNA, Carole Poirier, has also voiced her opposition to the idea of a tolerance-zone.
She said more effort should be focused on helping women and men leave the sex trade.

Daniel Durocher, a caterer who works near the proposed tolerance zone, said he doubts simply asking prostitutes to move along will persuade them to move to an industrial area.
"It will always exist," he said. "You're better to legalize it, to control it a little. Make some taxes off it and have brothels."

Fucking stupid answer from this Carole Poirier... :help:
And fucking good answer from Daniel Durocher :thumb: am gonna support this Traiteur ! Looks cool and really nice cakes

 

[CWipes]

Well under the current situation it's not that safe for the SW so how do you see it as being more dangerous?

 

[Gentle]

We ain't gonna get legalized prostitution as long as we elect dumbass who doesn't have a cent of creativity !

We should legalize prostitution, have a fee to pay to the gov. which half would go to charity and the other half would give u the equivalent of a 6/49 loto ticket.
Some of the profit made from this loto would pay for all the social services to the girls registered and security for them.
The rest would probably help a lot in paying Quebec's debts.

Hell you would have the knowledge that you are getting a girl who choose to work.
Cut down on pimps since the gov. would become THE pimp.
You would have the satisfaction to know that you're f*cking for a good cause and might even win a jackpot while enjoying it !

With the reputation of our cute french canadians girls ?
I bet you that we would pay Quebec's debt in a record time.

Who wants to vote for me ?

 

[Siocnarf]

It would not be out of sight exactly, just not in a residential neighbourhood. If they had a tolerance zone, they could be more obvious and less isolated so it would probably be more safe for them. I don't know if all the SW of the city would agree to be crammed in the same little place though.
But I agree SW should not be encouraged. Outcall is already legal and incall well tolerated, so why should we need a Red Light Disctrict? If we had legal brothels, the average SW would probably not qualify for those places anyway so it would not solve that problem.

 

[CWipes]

Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession. It's not going away. I say that it should be embraced rather then shunned. It would be safer for everyone and a great source of revenue. You're worried about what?

 

[CLOUD 500]

The problem is that there are way too many old fashioned conservative people out there that view prostitution as something wrong and immoral... they view sex as a big controversy. So long as people like this exist and are running the government not much is going to change in regards to this. It is a very looonnnggg way before things change. If anything they should legalize common bawdy houses... better sex workers work there under protection then on the streets with no protection.

 

[pat98]

better sex workers work there under protection then on the streets with no protection.

True say !
A dedicated work place will be easier to check and better for sex workers !

Canada is a very multicutural country due to abondant immigration but still lots of conservative largely among oldest immigrants...
Add to this religious beliefs...
Yup on est pas sorti de l'auberge ! loooonnnnng way to go !

 

[smuler]

In Amsterdam, the windows are located in buildings owned by regular people.. who then charge the girls rent on 8 hour shifts ( which cost 75-130 Euros per shift )

In Montreal, where would you find a place ( preferably abandoned ) that is about 3 square blocks, where this could be housed ?


Best Regards

Smuler

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

Long way to go before legalization !

Excerpt from cbc website :

Carole Poirier,...said more effort should be focused on helping women and men leave the sex trade.

As usual with this subject there seems to be a lack of separation between the conditions of being an "escort" and a "street walker", and we all know that even among escorts there are serious problems, which as we know are much worse among street walkers.

Poirier is too focused on the very bad aspects of the industry, as much as some here are probably too focused on the image of their own squeaky clean meetings to represent the industry. Each view is too narrow and each side seems to be generalizing too much with their images. The problem with Poirier is her view does not deal with the reality of the problems that cause women to become street walkers, and so does little to solve anything.

Totally against the idea. Against street walkers in general, but a tolerance zone where they are more out of sight may also make it more dangerous for the SW.

I'm discouraged that once again members seem to be seeing any sex industry rejection like this this "zone of tolerance" issue as an attack on the whole issue of a legalized sex trade. I understand the general frustration among members that cause that reaction, but the issue is street walkers, not the entire industry. We should all remember that the street walker segment of this industry is very dangerous and an opening for parasites of all sorts.

This sex industry zone of tolerance solution was tried in Boston, in the 80s mainly. It wasn't about containing street walkers, but all the strip clubs and sex shops were zoned in a contained area. The result was a dangerous zone of criminal exploitation and often clients who exploited the area to engage in criminal behavior. How much worse then would it have been to also herd in women who are so vulnerable?

In my view, a zone of tolerance for street workers would herd them together to be easier targets for wanna be gangsters and the real ones, as well as unbalanced abusive individuals. It would also create a demeaning public spectacle where locals and tourists would come to peep, and and some who would come to treat these women like freaks. Many of us will remember board members who brutally ridiculed street walkers with vicious labels and bragged about acting inhumanely by throwing eggs at them, or otherwise attempting to humiliate them verbally and physically for their amusement.

This isn't a squeaky clean industry on any side, including, at some times, some of the board membership, and street walkers get the worst of it. But I do agree that legalization, registration and strict control seems to be the better answer...if it's done responsibly unlike this herding idea that makes the women easier targets.

The problem is that there are way too many old fashioned conservative people out there that view prostitution as something wrong and immoral...better sex workers work there under protection then on the streets with no protection.

True Cloud. Too many paint this issue with the label of immorality to dismiss possible solutions. But you might agree that just assigning a zone to work in without doing much else is a bad idea.

With the reputation of our cute french canadians girls ?
I bet you that we would pay Quebec's debt in a record time.

Maybe you could talk Rumples into keeping those FKK funds at home. Now there goes a huge portion of the debt.

really,

Merlot

 

[pat98]

Who wants to vote for me ?

MOI !:amen:
Agree 1000%

 

[Gentle]

MOI !:amen:
Agree 1000%

And why not kill two bird with one stone.
The first year the money made from the profit of the loto-sex would be used to pay the student tuitions increase !

You would get peace on the streets as well as beautiful sexy ladies walking designated streets, with high heels, mini-skirts, small bikinis, leather or latex boots, etc... ! There's nothing like it to revive the economy ! Just ask any blue-collar or construction worker !

Sh!t I would even create a branch of special hotels runned by the gov. designated only for sex trade !
Something like the Hole-a-day Inn for raw sex ! and the Sein-d'esprit ! for a little more sophistication !

And while you're at it, there would be special cabs and limo fleet with special rates only for a sex ride from the streets to the hotels !
Equiped with everything you forgot to bring ! condom selling, E-pills, booze, CDs of music to put you in the mood, etc...

Imagine the boost tourism would get during the grand-prix !

And the next step would be to organize some kind of a festival that would be like a big f*king GT.
You would get o see a lot more girls indies, girls from all the agencies, etc...

With all the profits going to a charity cause and again to help for all social issues for these girls !

I would even start a school where retired SPs could teach the young ones about all their experiences, the good and bad ones and how to work safely in this business !
I would call it the Marie Madelaine school !

And for those who likes to have an adrenaline rush while looking for SW. I would even have a special police force (a couple of cops cars) designated in trying to bust you by handing you ticket that would ban from using this service for 2 weeks or a month.

Everyone wanting to use this service would have to be tested on a regular base and required to give blood on the same occasion to the red cross.

Imagine how much good we could make out of this fuck!n retarded hypocrisy we still have in our so called democracies !

The law to instate this service.. of course would be call Bill-69 !

 

[CWipes]

Bill 69, so how does one go about creating an exception to the law banning prostitution and having a special test zone created?

Employees will all be screened for drugs and hiv every 4 months.

I imagine that this place will eventually look like a combination of a hotel and a mall with a medical center or a hospital and a police station perhaps a casino. It will be near or in between 2 metro stops as well as an Auto route or perhaps at an intersection of 2 and have ample parking available.

Any other suggestions? But of course first things first Bill 69 needs to be written.

 

[Siocnarf]

Like Merlot said, the issue here is not about prostitution, which is not illegal. Its about street walkers because it is illegal to ``negotiate`` in a public place.

We can build as many million-dollar brothels as we want, crack addicts offering 20$ are still going to be left in the streets. And there is still going to be people driving around to pick them up, either because they can`t afford escorts or don`t want to pay a fair price.

 

[pat98]

- the money made from the profit of the loto-sex would be used to pay the student tuitions increase !
- create a branch of special hotels runned by the gov. designated only for sex trade !
- special cabs and limo fleet with special rates only for a sex ride from the streets to the hotels !
- a big f*king GT.
- a charity cause and again to help for all social issues for these girls !
- a school where retired SPs could teach the young ones about all their experiences
- a special police force (a couple of cops cars) designated in trying to bust you by handing you ticket that would ban from using this service for 2 weeks or a month.
- to be tested on a regular base and required to give blood on the same occasion to the red cross.
= Bill-69 !

Alors là ... chapeau bas !
Am impressed and Am all in ...
I vote for Gentle

In Montreal, where would you find a place ( preferably abandoned ) that is about 3 square blocks, where this could be housed ?

Easy one and simple... some blocks around Chablis St-Jacques - Pub PJ and Amazones !
Let say from Cavendish (East) to Canadian Tire (West) with red lights everywhere !
Imagine SuperC (just south of Chablis) converted in a big brothel. Already a biiiig parking lot to accomodate all those perverts we are :eyebrows:

 

[smuler]

Easy one and simple... some blocks around Chablis St-Jacques - Pub PJ and Amazones !
Let say from Cavendish (East) to Canadian Tire (West) with red lights everywhere !
Imagine SuperC (just south of Chablis) converted in a big brothel. Already a biiiig parking lot to accomodate all those perverts we are :eyebrows:

What you now need are coffeeshops( which the government can get it's tax cut ) and you can save me a lot of trips to Amsterdam

Then we can convert Hilltop to an FKK !!

Or that other place Pat...


We'll go scouting for a location next weekend...

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[Gentle]

Alors là ... chapeau bas !
Am impressed and Am all in ...
I vote for Gentle

I should start my own political party !
We all could live without the liberals and the PQ I think.
It wouln't be PLQ or PQ...but simply Q

Like in 'Votez pour le changement, votez pour le Q' ! or... 'Q comme dans Quebec' !

 

[pat98]

Tiens toi ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpNy7gHMHs

"Les tatas sont tannés ... le tata lé beennnn tanné.... " ah ah ah ah ah ah ah
Pis ça c'est ben vrai le tata lé ben tanné de toute cette connerie de discours pseudo démocratiquement débile sur le sex work ! :help:

Soooo Funny ... and soooo real I could soooooooo easily imagine Jean Charest saying all this shit :thumb:

 

[pat98]

Or that other place Pat... We'll go scouting for a location next weekend...
Smuler

Oui ! of course we Will hé hé hé