The TV show CityLife on MaTV recently had a show about the Montreal porn industry.
Citylife: Thursday January 28, 2016
Citylife: Thursday January 28, 2016
Montreal porn industry
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There really is no porn industry in Montreal, just nude dancers willing to F on camera to have the ability to brag that they were in a porn video.
For those interested, a good read:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/h...er-heard-of-took-control-of-the-porn-industry
Altought they have sold and moved the headquarters to the Luxembourg this company helped to get Montreal on the map for this industry (altought I also doubt montreal is third).
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/h...er-heard-of-took-control-of-the-porn-industry
Altought they have sold and moved the headquarters to the Luxembourg this company helped to get Montreal on the map for this industry (altought I also doubt montreal is third).
Money knows no boundaries. Mindgeek could as well be registered in Singapor. The two founders met at Concordia, but they don't control their business in Montreal. Their main thing is controling huge porn websites.
That does not make Montreal a "capital of porn". Mindgeek doesn't even own a production company in Montreal. They own Brazzers but that's american.
They name no more then 4 production companies in Québec: the art of blowjobs, eighty four,Pegas and Production Québec je viens. Those 4 don't make Montreal the third porn production "capital" of the world.
I agree gugu, that is why I said I really doubt Montreal is 3rd. In fact it's almost impossible that Tokyo could be behind montreal...?
Actually the founders of Mindgeek are not even working for the company any more. Most of them invested on a condo project in Laval and some other things.
There is also Bruno B and Vid Vicious and some, I think, new live cam based company. But that still is pale in comparison to all the japanese studio that comes from Japan...
Cheers,
I am so glad someone else has addressed this. Just because the production company exists in MOntreal does not mean anything is produced. I worked for that company ages ago when it had a different working name, and NONE of the video content is made here. Which means it does not contribute to the immediate porn culture here. There is a lot of underground and independent porn that is created here, but like many people have said it doesnt have the wight or polished look of Brazzers.
For many Internet business the importance is the traffic you get, then often to a much less extend, what you can sell.
Cheers,
A profile of Mindgeek, the Montreal based company that dominates the porn industry these days through its ownership of most of the main "tube" sites:
http://thewalrus.ca/the-pleasure-principle/
...If Qwebec Expo attendees, sequestered behind curtains in Marriott’s basement, represent the remnants of the old order of adult entertainment, several kilometres across town, in a brightly lit six-storey building on Décarie Boulevard, is one of porn’s epicentres. Originally called Mansef, and later Manwin, MindGeek is today an international conglomerate that controls a major portion of the smut people watch online. The company didn’t invent anything. Instead, its success is due to a trait they share with major tech firms: a rapacious acquisitions strategy. Sensing the revenue-potential in the abundance of porn online, it went on to acquire and create many of the popular tube sites that ultimately brought the industry to its knees. MindGeek realized that, given the scale of global porn consumption, free porn could be monetized. By undermining competitors, buying them out and then consolidating the network under a single corporate structure, it could generate enough traffic so that if even the tiniest fraction of consumers actually subscribed, the model is still lucrative...
http://thewalrus.ca/the-pleasure-principle/
...If Qwebec Expo attendees, sequestered behind curtains in Marriott’s basement, represent the remnants of the old order of adult entertainment, several kilometres across town, in a brightly lit six-storey building on Décarie Boulevard, is one of porn’s epicentres. Originally called Mansef, and later Manwin, MindGeek is today an international conglomerate that controls a major portion of the smut people watch online. The company didn’t invent anything. Instead, its success is due to a trait they share with major tech firms: a rapacious acquisitions strategy. Sensing the revenue-potential in the abundance of porn online, it went on to acquire and create many of the popular tube sites that ultimately brought the industry to its knees. MindGeek realized that, given the scale of global porn consumption, free porn could be monetized. By undermining competitors, buying them out and then consolidating the network under a single corporate structure, it could generate enough traffic so that if even the tiniest fraction of consumers actually subscribed, the model is still lucrative...
Here's an interesting review in The New Yorker of a book about the modern day porn industry. The article mentions Mindgeek but it does not mention the presence of Mindgeek in Montreal.
It's also interesting that the corporate Mindgeek site makes no mention of their dominant position in the porn industry.
Making Sense of Modern Pornography
While the Internet has made porn ubiquitous, it has also thrown the industry into severe decline.
By Katrina Forrester
newyorker.com
9/26/2016
If you watch pornography, it’s likely that you do so on the Internet. The days when consuming pornography meant buying or borrowing a pinup magazine or watching a film loop in a peepshow booth are long gone, as are those of tracking down adult-video stores in faraway neighborhoods. Most porn is viewed on easily accessible “tube sites,” such as YouPorn, RedTube, XVideos, and Pornhub. These work on the same model as YouTube: they are free, and steer users to amateur videos, snippets uploaded by commercial producers, and pirated material. Watching pornography no longer requires leaving the privacy of your home, though that doesn’t mean you necessarily do it there: according to a recent CNBC report, seventy per cent of American online-porn access occurs during the nine-to-five workday.
Pornography has changed unrecognizably from its so-called golden age—the period, in the sixties and seventies, when adult movies had theatrical releases and seemed in step with the wider moment of sexual liberation, and before V.H.S. drove down production quality, in the eighties. Today’s films are often short and nearly always hard-core; that is, they show penetrative sex. Among the most popular search terms in 2015 were “anal,” “amateur,” “teen,” and—one that would surely have made Freud smile—“mom and son.” Viewing figures are on a scale that golden-age moguls never dreamed of: in 2014, Pornhub alone had seventy-eight billion page views, and XVideos is the fifty-sixth most popular Web site in the world. Some porn sites get more traffic than news sites like CNN, and less only than platforms such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, and PayPal. The twenty-first-century porn kings aren’t flamboyant magazine owners like Larry Flynt, whose taboo-breaking Hustler first published labial “pink shots,” in the mid-seventies, but faceless tech executives. The majority of the world’s tube sites are effectively a monopoly—owned by a company called MindGeek, whose bandwidth use exceeds that of Amazon or Facebook. Its C.E.O. until recently was a German named Fabian Thylmann, who earned a reported annual income of a hundred million dollars; he sold the company while being investigated for tax evasion.
The millions of people using these sites probably don’t care much about who produces their content. But those who work in porn in the United States tend to draw a firm line between the “amateur” porn that now proliferates online and the legal adult-film industry that took shape after the California Supreme Court ruled, in California v. Freeman (1989), that filmed sex did not count as prostitution. Since then, the industry has been based in Los Angeles County’s San Fernando Valley, where its professional norms and regulations have mimicked its more respectable Hollywood neighbors. In “The Pornography Industry: What Everyone Needs to Know” (Oxford), Shira Tarrant explains how that industry works in the new age of Internet porn, and sets out to provide neutral, “even-handed” information about its production and consumption.
It’s not an easy task. Since the “porn wars” of the seventies and eighties, when feminists campaigned against the expanding pornography industry (and other feminists sided with Hustler to defend it), talking about pornography in terms of mere facts has seemed impossible. The atmosphere of controversy makes it hard to avoid moral positions. Even to suspend judgment may be to take sides.
In 1995, the porn actress Jenna Jameson signed her first contract with a new porn studio called Wicked Pictures. She was twenty, ambitious, and already making a name for herself. In her memoir, “How to Make Love Like a Porn Star” (2004), she recalled meeting the studio’s founder in a rickety corrugated-steel office in an industrial park. “The most important thing to me right now is to become the biggest star the industry has ever seen,” she told him. “So you can either sign me or I can go to another company and take them to the top. It’s up to you. I’m going to be a star with or without you.”
Jameson and Wicked found each other at the right time. There had, of course, been stars before her. Linda Lovelace’s performance in “Deep Throat,” in 1972, made porn mainstream; later, her denunciation of the movie, which she characterized as filmed rape, made the idea of the porn star as victim mainstream, too. In the mid-eighties, the revelation that Traci Lords had been underage in her most famous films led to the prosecution of producers, agents, and distributors under child-pornography statutes, and new legislation resulted in stricter age-verification requirements for porn actors. But by the time Jameson arrived on the scene the industry had become an efficient star-making machine. It had distributors and advertisers, production teams and industry magazines, shoots requiring permits, agents who sold the talent and trade associations who represented them. Jameson quickly achieved her ambition, becoming the industry’s biggest star and most reliable brand. By 2005, her company, ClubJenna, had an annual revenue of thirty million dollars.
Things are different now. Much online porn is amateur and unregulated. It’s hard to tell how much, because there’s little data, and even larger studios now ape the amateur aesthetic, but applications for porn-shoot permits in Los Angeles County reportedly fell by ninety-five per cent between 2012 and 2015. Now most films have low production values, and they are often unscripted. Sometimes you can hear the director’s voice; apparently, many viewers can make do without the old fictional tropes of doctors and nurses, schoolgirls, and so on—the porn industry itself having become the locus of fantasy. Where performers like Jameson had multi-film contracts with studios like Wicked or Vivid Entertainment, such deals are now rare, and most performers are independent contractors who get paid per sex act.
Tarrant’s book sheds useful light on the bargain-basement world of contemporary porn. In 2012, one agent claimed that the actresses he represented received eight hundred dollars for lesbian scenes, a thousand for ones with a man, twelve hundred or more for anal sex, and four thousand for double penetration, but there’s reason to think that these figures are inflated. Stoya, a well-known performer who has written about her life in the industry, has cited a rate of just twelve to fourteen hundred dollars for double penetration. Wages have declined across the board. Tarrant estimates that a female performer filming three anal scenes a month would make forty thousand dollars a year.
Riskier acts are incentivized. According to one analysis of an industry talent database, women entering the business now will do more, and more quickly, than they once did: in the nineteen-eighties, they would wait an average of two years before a first anal scene; now it’s six months. Jameson famously never did anal (though one of her most viewed Pornhub clips is “Jenna Jameson accidental anal,” which shows, in slow motion, that on the Internet there’s no such thing as never). From 2000 on, she had only one onscreen male partner—her husband. “I look at these new girls today and I think, What the hell are they doing?” she said in 2004. “These girls don’t know that you have to start slow, baby, and make them pay you more for each thing you do.”
Today, most porn actresses don’t stick around long enough to start slow. The average career is between four and six months. Performers work long hours with no benefits and they have to cover significant out-of-pocket costs. Tests for S.T.D.s can be as much as two hundred dollars a month. Add to this grooming, travel, and the usual freelancer expenses and it costs a lot to be legal in the porn industry.
In a context of declining wages and rising costs, attempts at regulation are unpopular. In 2012, Los Angeles County passed Measure B, a law mandating condom use in porn shoots there. Advocacy organizations for performers have resisted the measure, saying that it ignores the preferences of their workforce and would compel performers to use not only condoms but also safety goggles and dental dams. More important, perhaps, it also ignores consumer preferences: in an age when few pay for porn, producers don’t want to alienate those who do. The regulated industry has developed other ways to avoid condoms—preëxposure treatments, production moratoriums when infections are detected, and, in some gay studios, a working assumption that performers are H.I.V. positive. Other producers, rather than comply, have left California for Nevada or Florida. The industry may have created the norms that dominate online porn, but it’s being squeezed into irrelevance, and preferences have taken on a life of their own.
So it is that, even as the Internet has made pornography ubiquitous, the industry itself, at least as Tarrant describes it, is in severe decline. Like the music business—where albums have been disaggregated into individual tracks sampled on YouTube or bought on iTunes—porn today is a plethora of thumbnail clips from which users pick and choose. And, just as many musicians treat recording as a loss leader in a career built on live performance and merchandising, many porn performers supplement their earnings with various forms of offscreen sex work.
Whether you see porn as just another sector disrupted by the Internet or as a still powerful engine of profit-driven exploitation depends on a thornier set of debates that shape how pornography is understood. To talk about porn purely in terms of costs and incentives is not, as Tarrant suggests, neutral. Even to stress the work involved is a political move.
When America’s pornographic secrets have been publicly aired, they have usually taken the form of First Amendment issues. In 1988, the Supreme Court overturned a ruling against Hustler that had awarded damages to the evangelical pastor Jerry Falwell, the founder of the conservative organization the Moral Majority. (The magazine had published a satirical ad in which Falwell described his “first time” with his mother.) Flynt became an unlikely liberal hero, cementing a coalition between free-speech defenders and pornographers. After California v. Freeman, the Adult Film and Video Association of America renamed itself the Free Speech Legal Defense Fund, and, later, the Free Speech Coalition...
It's also interesting that the corporate Mindgeek site makes no mention of their dominant position in the porn industry.
Making Sense of Modern Pornography
While the Internet has made porn ubiquitous, it has also thrown the industry into severe decline.
By Katrina Forrester
newyorker.com
9/26/2016
If you watch pornography, it’s likely that you do so on the Internet. The days when consuming pornography meant buying or borrowing a pinup magazine or watching a film loop in a peepshow booth are long gone, as are those of tracking down adult-video stores in faraway neighborhoods. Most porn is viewed on easily accessible “tube sites,” such as YouPorn, RedTube, XVideos, and Pornhub. These work on the same model as YouTube: they are free, and steer users to amateur videos, snippets uploaded by commercial producers, and pirated material. Watching pornography no longer requires leaving the privacy of your home, though that doesn’t mean you necessarily do it there: according to a recent CNBC report, seventy per cent of American online-porn access occurs during the nine-to-five workday.
Pornography has changed unrecognizably from its so-called golden age—the period, in the sixties and seventies, when adult movies had theatrical releases and seemed in step with the wider moment of sexual liberation, and before V.H.S. drove down production quality, in the eighties. Today’s films are often short and nearly always hard-core; that is, they show penetrative sex. Among the most popular search terms in 2015 were “anal,” “amateur,” “teen,” and—one that would surely have made Freud smile—“mom and son.” Viewing figures are on a scale that golden-age moguls never dreamed of: in 2014, Pornhub alone had seventy-eight billion page views, and XVideos is the fifty-sixth most popular Web site in the world. Some porn sites get more traffic than news sites like CNN, and less only than platforms such as Google, Facebook, Amazon, and PayPal. The twenty-first-century porn kings aren’t flamboyant magazine owners like Larry Flynt, whose taboo-breaking Hustler first published labial “pink shots,” in the mid-seventies, but faceless tech executives. The majority of the world’s tube sites are effectively a monopoly—owned by a company called MindGeek, whose bandwidth use exceeds that of Amazon or Facebook. Its C.E.O. until recently was a German named Fabian Thylmann, who earned a reported annual income of a hundred million dollars; he sold the company while being investigated for tax evasion.
The millions of people using these sites probably don’t care much about who produces their content. But those who work in porn in the United States tend to draw a firm line between the “amateur” porn that now proliferates online and the legal adult-film industry that took shape after the California Supreme Court ruled, in California v. Freeman (1989), that filmed sex did not count as prostitution. Since then, the industry has been based in Los Angeles County’s San Fernando Valley, where its professional norms and regulations have mimicked its more respectable Hollywood neighbors. In “The Pornography Industry: What Everyone Needs to Know” (Oxford), Shira Tarrant explains how that industry works in the new age of Internet porn, and sets out to provide neutral, “even-handed” information about its production and consumption.
It’s not an easy task. Since the “porn wars” of the seventies and eighties, when feminists campaigned against the expanding pornography industry (and other feminists sided with Hustler to defend it), talking about pornography in terms of mere facts has seemed impossible. The atmosphere of controversy makes it hard to avoid moral positions. Even to suspend judgment may be to take sides.
In 1995, the porn actress Jenna Jameson signed her first contract with a new porn studio called Wicked Pictures. She was twenty, ambitious, and already making a name for herself. In her memoir, “How to Make Love Like a Porn Star” (2004), she recalled meeting the studio’s founder in a rickety corrugated-steel office in an industrial park. “The most important thing to me right now is to become the biggest star the industry has ever seen,” she told him. “So you can either sign me or I can go to another company and take them to the top. It’s up to you. I’m going to be a star with or without you.”
Jameson and Wicked found each other at the right time. There had, of course, been stars before her. Linda Lovelace’s performance in “Deep Throat,” in 1972, made porn mainstream; later, her denunciation of the movie, which she characterized as filmed rape, made the idea of the porn star as victim mainstream, too. In the mid-eighties, the revelation that Traci Lords had been underage in her most famous films led to the prosecution of producers, agents, and distributors under child-pornography statutes, and new legislation resulted in stricter age-verification requirements for porn actors. But by the time Jameson arrived on the scene the industry had become an efficient star-making machine. It had distributors and advertisers, production teams and industry magazines, shoots requiring permits, agents who sold the talent and trade associations who represented them. Jameson quickly achieved her ambition, becoming the industry’s biggest star and most reliable brand. By 2005, her company, ClubJenna, had an annual revenue of thirty million dollars.
Things are different now. Much online porn is amateur and unregulated. It’s hard to tell how much, because there’s little data, and even larger studios now ape the amateur aesthetic, but applications for porn-shoot permits in Los Angeles County reportedly fell by ninety-five per cent between 2012 and 2015. Now most films have low production values, and they are often unscripted. Sometimes you can hear the director’s voice; apparently, many viewers can make do without the old fictional tropes of doctors and nurses, schoolgirls, and so on—the porn industry itself having become the locus of fantasy. Where performers like Jameson had multi-film contracts with studios like Wicked or Vivid Entertainment, such deals are now rare, and most performers are independent contractors who get paid per sex act.
Tarrant’s book sheds useful light on the bargain-basement world of contemporary porn. In 2012, one agent claimed that the actresses he represented received eight hundred dollars for lesbian scenes, a thousand for ones with a man, twelve hundred or more for anal sex, and four thousand for double penetration, but there’s reason to think that these figures are inflated. Stoya, a well-known performer who has written about her life in the industry, has cited a rate of just twelve to fourteen hundred dollars for double penetration. Wages have declined across the board. Tarrant estimates that a female performer filming three anal scenes a month would make forty thousand dollars a year.
Riskier acts are incentivized. According to one analysis of an industry talent database, women entering the business now will do more, and more quickly, than they once did: in the nineteen-eighties, they would wait an average of two years before a first anal scene; now it’s six months. Jameson famously never did anal (though one of her most viewed Pornhub clips is “Jenna Jameson accidental anal,” which shows, in slow motion, that on the Internet there’s no such thing as never). From 2000 on, she had only one onscreen male partner—her husband. “I look at these new girls today and I think, What the hell are they doing?” she said in 2004. “These girls don’t know that you have to start slow, baby, and make them pay you more for each thing you do.”
Today, most porn actresses don’t stick around long enough to start slow. The average career is between four and six months. Performers work long hours with no benefits and they have to cover significant out-of-pocket costs. Tests for S.T.D.s can be as much as two hundred dollars a month. Add to this grooming, travel, and the usual freelancer expenses and it costs a lot to be legal in the porn industry.
In a context of declining wages and rising costs, attempts at regulation are unpopular. In 2012, Los Angeles County passed Measure B, a law mandating condom use in porn shoots there. Advocacy organizations for performers have resisted the measure, saying that it ignores the preferences of their workforce and would compel performers to use not only condoms but also safety goggles and dental dams. More important, perhaps, it also ignores consumer preferences: in an age when few pay for porn, producers don’t want to alienate those who do. The regulated industry has developed other ways to avoid condoms—preëxposure treatments, production moratoriums when infections are detected, and, in some gay studios, a working assumption that performers are H.I.V. positive. Other producers, rather than comply, have left California for Nevada or Florida. The industry may have created the norms that dominate online porn, but it’s being squeezed into irrelevance, and preferences have taken on a life of their own.
So it is that, even as the Internet has made pornography ubiquitous, the industry itself, at least as Tarrant describes it, is in severe decline. Like the music business—where albums have been disaggregated into individual tracks sampled on YouTube or bought on iTunes—porn today is a plethora of thumbnail clips from which users pick and choose. And, just as many musicians treat recording as a loss leader in a career built on live performance and merchandising, many porn performers supplement their earnings with various forms of offscreen sex work.
Whether you see porn as just another sector disrupted by the Internet or as a still powerful engine of profit-driven exploitation depends on a thornier set of debates that shape how pornography is understood. To talk about porn purely in terms of costs and incentives is not, as Tarrant suggests, neutral. Even to stress the work involved is a political move.
When America’s pornographic secrets have been publicly aired, they have usually taken the form of First Amendment issues. In 1988, the Supreme Court overturned a ruling against Hustler that had awarded damages to the evangelical pastor Jerry Falwell, the founder of the conservative organization the Moral Majority. (The magazine had published a satirical ad in which Falwell described his “first time” with his mother.) Flynt became an unlikely liberal hero, cementing a coalition between free-speech defenders and pornographers. After California v. Freeman, the Adult Film and Video Association of America renamed itself the Free Speech Legal Defense Fund, and, later, the Free Speech Coalition...
Here's more about MindGeek from La Presse, obviously en français . It somehow seems appropriate that the company that dominates the world of porn should be based in Montreal. However almost none of the porn accessible on MindGeek sites like Youporn and Pornhub is produced in Montreal.
L’énigme MindGeek, du Luxembourg à Montréal
lapresse.ca
10 Oct., 2016
Maxime Bergeron La Presse
LUXEMBOURG — MindGeek a beau être devenu un géant mondial de l’industrie du porno, avec 2,4 milliards de visites mensuelles sur ses sites web XXX, son siège social passe complètement inaperçu. Sur la façade de l’immeuble, dans le quartier des affaires de la ville de Luxembourg, le logo de la banque chinoise ICBC apparaît en grosses lettres. Il faut s’approcher de la porte pour qu’un petit panneau annonce le nom de l’entreprise.
À l’interphone, une réceptionniste nous indique qu’aucun dirigeant de MindGeek ne se trouve sur place. Ni aujourd’hui ni demain. « Personne ne travaille ici, personne ne travaille à partir d’ici », précise-t-elle. Au quatrième étage, où se trouve officiellement le siège social du groupe, c’est le calme plat au cœur de l’après-midi. Le silence est total.
À 5700 km de là, en bordure de l’autoroute Décarie, à Montréal, l’ambiance est beaucoup plus animée. Les employés entrent et sortent à bon rythme des bureaux de MindGeek par un vendredi matin de septembre, quelques semaines après notre visite au Luxembourg.
C’est ici que se trouve la majorité des employés de MindGeek, un conglomérat aux racines montréalaises qui détient plusieurs des sites pornos les plus connus du web, de PornHub à YouPorn en passant par RedTube, Brazzers et Men.com. Le chiffre d’affaires annuel du groupe se calcule en centaines de millions de dollars canadiens – jusqu’à 800 millions, affirment deux sources qui occupent ou ont occupé des postes stratégiques dans l’entreprise, une information qu’il a été impossible de confirmer.
Les effectifs montréalais de MindGeek sont regroupés dans un immeuble discret recouvert de panneaux-miroirs, en face de la célèbre Orange Julep. Les drapeaux du Québec et du Canada flottent devant le bâtiment, ainsi qu’un autre arborant une ampoule – le logo de MindGeek, qui se présente sur son site web comme « un chef de file mondial de l’industrie des technologies de l’information ». Les lieux sont gardés sous haute surveillance, grâce à un système de guérites électroniques.
« MindGeek dit être établi au Luxembourg, mais la vérité est que son siège social est à Montréal. »
— Le blogueur Mike South
M. South documente depuis des années les activités de MindGeek sur son site, l’un des plus consultés de l’industrie de la porno.
DISCRÉTION ABSOLUE
MindGeek recherche la discrétion. Les deux dirigeants du groupe, les Montréalais Feras Antoon et David Tassillo, n’accordent presque jamais d’entrevues. Ils n’apparaissent que très rarement dans l’actualité. M. Antoon s’est retrouvé dans la ligne de mire de l’Autorité des marchés financiers (AMF) le printemps dernier, lorsqu’il a été nommé dans le cadre d’une enquête pour délit d’initié liée à Amaya (PokerStars). Le grand patron de MindGeek aurait réalisé des profits de 83 429 $ avec les transactions en cause, selon l’AMF. Aucune accusation n’a été portée.
La demi-douzaine d’employés et d’ex-travailleurs à qui nous avons parlé a requis l’anonymat, par crainte de représailles ou de poursuites. Plusieurs ont signé des ententes de non-divulgation. Une note interne a aussi été envoyée aux employés du groupe l’été dernier pour leur interdire de parler à des journalistes, alors que La Presse posait des questions.
MindGeek a refusé nos nombreuses demandes d’entrevue. Dans un bref courriel, la porte-parole Catherine Dunn a indiqué ne pas comprendre pourquoi un « journal local » souhaitait faire le portrait d’une entreprise internationale.
« Notre siège social est au Luxembourg et nous avons seulement un bureau au Canada, donc je ne suis pas certaine de voir l’intérêt pour vos lecteurs. »
— Catherine Dunn, de MindGeek
50 OFFRES D’EMPLOIS
MindGeek est devenu au fil des ans un employeur de premier plan dans la métropole, en dépit de sa discrétion sur la place publique. Le groupe compte environ 900 travailleurs sur le boulevard Décarie, selon plusieurs sources. Ses autres employés – entre 100 et 500, évaluent diverses sources – sont répartis dans une dizaine de pays. Une cinquantaine d’offres d’emploi – pour des programmeurs informatiques, des développeurs de publicité, des spécialistes en marketing ou en ressources humaines – sont affichées ces jours-ci sur le site web du groupe, presque toutes à Montréal. Les hauts dirigeants de MindGeek vivent et travaillent dans la métropole, selon plusieurs sources internes de l’entreprise.
Si MindGeek est devenu un employeur important à Montréal, sa structure financière offshore soulève aussi de nombreuses questions chez les experts en fiscalité consultés par La Presse. Plusieurs des bureaux du groupe sont situés dans des juridictions fiscalement clémentes, peut-on constater sur le site web du groupe, comme le Luxembourg, l’Irlande et Chypre, alors que le gros de sa force de travail est au Québec.
Le siège de sa filiale MindGeek USA est au Delaware, État reconnu pour l’opacité de son système financier. L’entreprise tire aussi des profits de plusieurs dizaines de millions d’une filiale située à Curaçao, île des Caraïbes reconnue pour son régime fiscal très attrayant (voir autre texte). Ces deux emplacements ne figurent nulle part sur le site web officiel du groupe.
MindGeek a enregistré une série d’entreprises au Luxembourg entre 2010 et 2013, démontrent des documents du Registre de commerce et des sociétés de ce petit pays européen. MindGeek S.A.R.L. (société à responsabilité limitée), la société mère qui chapeaute toutes les filiales du groupe, a été immatriculée officiellement en octobre 2013. À l’époque, MindGeek Holding inc., située sur le boulevard Décarie, à Montréal, était « l’associé unique » de ce holding luxembourgeois, confirment les documents obtenus par La Presse.
OPTIMISATION FISCALE
Sans connaître les détails de la structure financière de MindGeek, trois experts en fiscalité internationale que La Presse a consultés estiment que l’entreprise doit chercher à minimiser sa facture en impôts au Québec et au Canada. « On parle ici d’optimisation fiscale. Cela ne veut pas dire que c’est illégal, ça veut juste dire d’être agressif dans la planification fiscale », explique Omri Marian, professeur en droit fiscal à l’Université de la Californie à Irvine et spécialiste en fiscalité internationale.
André Lareau, professeur en droit fiscal à l’Université Laval, souligne les importantes exemptions d’impôts dont bénéficient les sociétés de technologies de l’information en vertu de la convention fiscale entre le Canada et le Luxembourg. Selon cette entente, les redevances versées par une filiale canadienne à sa société mère luxembourgoise sont exemptées d’impôts au Canada, et taxées à moins de 6 % au Luxembourg (voir onglet 4 pour les détails). Un avantage « majeur » qui pourrait se traduire en millions d’économies d’impôts, selon le spécialiste.
Il a été impossible d’obtenir des chiffres précis sur les finances ou le niveau d’impôts payé par MindGeek, une société à capital fermé. Revenu Québec et l’Agence du revenu du Canada ont tous deux refusé d’indiquer si des enquêtes étaient en cours ou avaient été menées au sujet des activités du groupe. On sait toutefois que les finances de l’entreprise sont vérifiées de près par une firme comptable reconnue – Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton – , qui a refusé notre demande d’entrevue.
LA FILIALE DE DUBLIN
MindGeek réalise une bonne partie de ses activités de facturation à Dublin, où elle a inauguré sa filiale MG Billing en 2013. C’est là que sont traités les revenus d’abonnement de ses dizaines de milliers de clients payants, qui allongent jusqu’à 30 $US par mois pour accéder à certains sites XXX. « Toute la facturation transite par là », confie une source interne, bien au fait de la structure financière du groupe.
Selon un article récent du journal irlandais Sunday Business Post, qui se base sur des chiffres officiels, MG Billing Ireland Ltd. a enregistré des revenus de 353 millions d’euros (521 millions CAN) pendant ses deux premières années d’existence. Ce bureau emploie 15 personnes, indique l’article.
Les documents déposés par la dizaine de filiales de MindGeek au Luxembourg dressent par ailleurs un portrait fragmentaire des finances du groupe. Une filiale, appelée Licensing IP International S.A.R.L., semble englober plusieurs des activités de MindGeek. Cette entité fait état d’actifs totalisant 805 millions US (1,06 milliard CAN) pour l’exercice financier 2014 et d’un passif équivalent. Les dettes et les autres sommes dues s’élèvent à 680 millions US (892 millions CAN), dont une bonne partie est financée à des taux d’intérêt élevés, entre 14 % et 21 %, selon ces documents.
« C’est une entreprise extrêmement endettée, mais qui génère des flux de trésorerie incroyables », avance une source du secteur financier qui a travaillé de près avec MindGeek au cours des dernières années.
« AMORAL »
Michel Nadeau, directeur général de l’Institut sur la gouvernance d’organisations privées et publiques, souligne que les sociétés multinationales dont le siège social est au Luxembourg – et elles sont nombreuses – bénéficient de l’opacité du système financier local. Sans connaître le détail des structures de MindGeek, il rappelle que les procédés d’« optimisation fiscale » sont utilisés par un grand nombre de sociétés canadiennes. Une situation qu’il dénonce.
« Tout cela est amoral, mais il y a des traités entre le Canada et le Luxembourg qui permettent ce genre de situation-là, qu’il faut revoir », déplore-t-il.
L’énigme MindGeek, du Luxembourg à Montréal
lapresse.ca
10 Oct., 2016
Maxime Bergeron La Presse
LUXEMBOURG — MindGeek a beau être devenu un géant mondial de l’industrie du porno, avec 2,4 milliards de visites mensuelles sur ses sites web XXX, son siège social passe complètement inaperçu. Sur la façade de l’immeuble, dans le quartier des affaires de la ville de Luxembourg, le logo de la banque chinoise ICBC apparaît en grosses lettres. Il faut s’approcher de la porte pour qu’un petit panneau annonce le nom de l’entreprise.
À l’interphone, une réceptionniste nous indique qu’aucun dirigeant de MindGeek ne se trouve sur place. Ni aujourd’hui ni demain. « Personne ne travaille ici, personne ne travaille à partir d’ici », précise-t-elle. Au quatrième étage, où se trouve officiellement le siège social du groupe, c’est le calme plat au cœur de l’après-midi. Le silence est total.
À 5700 km de là, en bordure de l’autoroute Décarie, à Montréal, l’ambiance est beaucoup plus animée. Les employés entrent et sortent à bon rythme des bureaux de MindGeek par un vendredi matin de septembre, quelques semaines après notre visite au Luxembourg.
C’est ici que se trouve la majorité des employés de MindGeek, un conglomérat aux racines montréalaises qui détient plusieurs des sites pornos les plus connus du web, de PornHub à YouPorn en passant par RedTube, Brazzers et Men.com. Le chiffre d’affaires annuel du groupe se calcule en centaines de millions de dollars canadiens – jusqu’à 800 millions, affirment deux sources qui occupent ou ont occupé des postes stratégiques dans l’entreprise, une information qu’il a été impossible de confirmer.
Les effectifs montréalais de MindGeek sont regroupés dans un immeuble discret recouvert de panneaux-miroirs, en face de la célèbre Orange Julep. Les drapeaux du Québec et du Canada flottent devant le bâtiment, ainsi qu’un autre arborant une ampoule – le logo de MindGeek, qui se présente sur son site web comme « un chef de file mondial de l’industrie des technologies de l’information ». Les lieux sont gardés sous haute surveillance, grâce à un système de guérites électroniques.
« MindGeek dit être établi au Luxembourg, mais la vérité est que son siège social est à Montréal. »
— Le blogueur Mike South
M. South documente depuis des années les activités de MindGeek sur son site, l’un des plus consultés de l’industrie de la porno.
DISCRÉTION ABSOLUE
MindGeek recherche la discrétion. Les deux dirigeants du groupe, les Montréalais Feras Antoon et David Tassillo, n’accordent presque jamais d’entrevues. Ils n’apparaissent que très rarement dans l’actualité. M. Antoon s’est retrouvé dans la ligne de mire de l’Autorité des marchés financiers (AMF) le printemps dernier, lorsqu’il a été nommé dans le cadre d’une enquête pour délit d’initié liée à Amaya (PokerStars). Le grand patron de MindGeek aurait réalisé des profits de 83 429 $ avec les transactions en cause, selon l’AMF. Aucune accusation n’a été portée.
La demi-douzaine d’employés et d’ex-travailleurs à qui nous avons parlé a requis l’anonymat, par crainte de représailles ou de poursuites. Plusieurs ont signé des ententes de non-divulgation. Une note interne a aussi été envoyée aux employés du groupe l’été dernier pour leur interdire de parler à des journalistes, alors que La Presse posait des questions.
MindGeek a refusé nos nombreuses demandes d’entrevue. Dans un bref courriel, la porte-parole Catherine Dunn a indiqué ne pas comprendre pourquoi un « journal local » souhaitait faire le portrait d’une entreprise internationale.
« Notre siège social est au Luxembourg et nous avons seulement un bureau au Canada, donc je ne suis pas certaine de voir l’intérêt pour vos lecteurs. »
— Catherine Dunn, de MindGeek
50 OFFRES D’EMPLOIS
MindGeek est devenu au fil des ans un employeur de premier plan dans la métropole, en dépit de sa discrétion sur la place publique. Le groupe compte environ 900 travailleurs sur le boulevard Décarie, selon plusieurs sources. Ses autres employés – entre 100 et 500, évaluent diverses sources – sont répartis dans une dizaine de pays. Une cinquantaine d’offres d’emploi – pour des programmeurs informatiques, des développeurs de publicité, des spécialistes en marketing ou en ressources humaines – sont affichées ces jours-ci sur le site web du groupe, presque toutes à Montréal. Les hauts dirigeants de MindGeek vivent et travaillent dans la métropole, selon plusieurs sources internes de l’entreprise.
Si MindGeek est devenu un employeur important à Montréal, sa structure financière offshore soulève aussi de nombreuses questions chez les experts en fiscalité consultés par La Presse. Plusieurs des bureaux du groupe sont situés dans des juridictions fiscalement clémentes, peut-on constater sur le site web du groupe, comme le Luxembourg, l’Irlande et Chypre, alors que le gros de sa force de travail est au Québec.
Le siège de sa filiale MindGeek USA est au Delaware, État reconnu pour l’opacité de son système financier. L’entreprise tire aussi des profits de plusieurs dizaines de millions d’une filiale située à Curaçao, île des Caraïbes reconnue pour son régime fiscal très attrayant (voir autre texte). Ces deux emplacements ne figurent nulle part sur le site web officiel du groupe.
MindGeek a enregistré une série d’entreprises au Luxembourg entre 2010 et 2013, démontrent des documents du Registre de commerce et des sociétés de ce petit pays européen. MindGeek S.A.R.L. (société à responsabilité limitée), la société mère qui chapeaute toutes les filiales du groupe, a été immatriculée officiellement en octobre 2013. À l’époque, MindGeek Holding inc., située sur le boulevard Décarie, à Montréal, était « l’associé unique » de ce holding luxembourgeois, confirment les documents obtenus par La Presse.
OPTIMISATION FISCALE
Sans connaître les détails de la structure financière de MindGeek, trois experts en fiscalité internationale que La Presse a consultés estiment que l’entreprise doit chercher à minimiser sa facture en impôts au Québec et au Canada. « On parle ici d’optimisation fiscale. Cela ne veut pas dire que c’est illégal, ça veut juste dire d’être agressif dans la planification fiscale », explique Omri Marian, professeur en droit fiscal à l’Université de la Californie à Irvine et spécialiste en fiscalité internationale.
André Lareau, professeur en droit fiscal à l’Université Laval, souligne les importantes exemptions d’impôts dont bénéficient les sociétés de technologies de l’information en vertu de la convention fiscale entre le Canada et le Luxembourg. Selon cette entente, les redevances versées par une filiale canadienne à sa société mère luxembourgoise sont exemptées d’impôts au Canada, et taxées à moins de 6 % au Luxembourg (voir onglet 4 pour les détails). Un avantage « majeur » qui pourrait se traduire en millions d’économies d’impôts, selon le spécialiste.
Il a été impossible d’obtenir des chiffres précis sur les finances ou le niveau d’impôts payé par MindGeek, une société à capital fermé. Revenu Québec et l’Agence du revenu du Canada ont tous deux refusé d’indiquer si des enquêtes étaient en cours ou avaient été menées au sujet des activités du groupe. On sait toutefois que les finances de l’entreprise sont vérifiées de près par une firme comptable reconnue – Raymond Chabot Grant Thornton – , qui a refusé notre demande d’entrevue.
LA FILIALE DE DUBLIN
MindGeek réalise une bonne partie de ses activités de facturation à Dublin, où elle a inauguré sa filiale MG Billing en 2013. C’est là que sont traités les revenus d’abonnement de ses dizaines de milliers de clients payants, qui allongent jusqu’à 30 $US par mois pour accéder à certains sites XXX. « Toute la facturation transite par là », confie une source interne, bien au fait de la structure financière du groupe.
Selon un article récent du journal irlandais Sunday Business Post, qui se base sur des chiffres officiels, MG Billing Ireland Ltd. a enregistré des revenus de 353 millions d’euros (521 millions CAN) pendant ses deux premières années d’existence. Ce bureau emploie 15 personnes, indique l’article.
Les documents déposés par la dizaine de filiales de MindGeek au Luxembourg dressent par ailleurs un portrait fragmentaire des finances du groupe. Une filiale, appelée Licensing IP International S.A.R.L., semble englober plusieurs des activités de MindGeek. Cette entité fait état d’actifs totalisant 805 millions US (1,06 milliard CAN) pour l’exercice financier 2014 et d’un passif équivalent. Les dettes et les autres sommes dues s’élèvent à 680 millions US (892 millions CAN), dont une bonne partie est financée à des taux d’intérêt élevés, entre 14 % et 21 %, selon ces documents.
« C’est une entreprise extrêmement endettée, mais qui génère des flux de trésorerie incroyables », avance une source du secteur financier qui a travaillé de près avec MindGeek au cours des dernières années.
« AMORAL »
Michel Nadeau, directeur général de l’Institut sur la gouvernance d’organisations privées et publiques, souligne que les sociétés multinationales dont le siège social est au Luxembourg – et elles sont nombreuses – bénéficient de l’opacité du système financier local. Sans connaître le détail des structures de MindGeek, il rappelle que les procédés d’« optimisation fiscale » sont utilisés par un grand nombre de sociétés canadiennes. Une situation qu’il dénonce.
« Tout cela est amoral, mais il y a des traités entre le Canada et le Luxembourg qui permettent ce genre de situation-là, qu’il faut revoir », déplore-t-il.
Montréal bigger than LA, Budapest or Prague? I wonder where these reporters get their info from.... just do a bit of research or adult talent agencies and see for yourself... doesn't take a PhD... but I guess saying Montreal is big sells newspapers...
Here is my view on the porn business in Montreal(or Quebec as a whole)
1) Pegas Productions
Probably the biggest compagny here. Good production value and quality in there videos. There models vary (at least to my liking) from not interesting to very hot. Obviously the Lane Sisters, Amy Lee and some other well known appear from time to time, but i find sadly that the one wich are the best looking for me have only a couple scenes while some that i find totally unapealing appear quite often. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder... So far they seem to release mostly normal porn, but i did catch up a few shady scenes. Almost forgot, the acting of the girls are generally so bad.... so much jump cut, so unatural... they should improve on that if they try to go for brazzers type scenario. Some guys are alright like Gabrielle Clark, he act decently, some girls too, but some are just so unatural in front of the camera... lol
Would i subscribe? Maybe for a month... to download everything. Then would cancel it. 4 scenes a month is not worth a subcription for me, not when we have Brazzers and some other networks releasing daily.
2) AD4X
The second biggest compagny. Sometimes there girls are amazing, they have discover some hidden gems too over the years. But they are plagued by some VERY BAD stuff. First of all there production value is really under Pegas. There camera work, lightning and so on in most scenes are inferior. They also use condoms for BJ sometimes wich for me is a complete turn off... I wouldn't even book an SP that does CBJ, i mean cmon its porn, they are tested... Im also fan of Facials so CBJ = nop for that.
Then there is a large chum of bad stuff too. Casting scenes in bars can be funny at time but they are very badly shot, have CBJ too way too often, and they recycle them so much (4 times the same scene but with different camera angles) They did had a few very hot girls doing them tough like Jessy Storm and Maya Fox, but overall in general i didn't enjoy them. I guess its because the guys are not prepared well, the camper is too small, and i would suspect obviously if they where in a bar, maybe they could not shower like they should. They may have one in the camper, but well. Don't get me wrong, the concept of normal dudes in porn has always interested me. Done right this could be amazing. I would love for exemple to see a regular dude, not looking like a keiran lee having sex with Maya Fox and then facializing her , see his reaction and her reaction to it, stuff like that. It would be great. Idea and concept is good, execution is not.
Other part of what they do are re-releasing old bruno bs and "vintage" . I mostly have these already and they are shot in SD. Not interesting at all. And finally they have some weird stuff. Don't get me wrong, im totally fine with website doing only that, and i don't want to restart the shitstorm of my other thread. But as a straigh male i do not sign on to a porn website to see Rick Hard get ass fucked by a shemale. Or some 300 pounds overweigh woman. Or the cake... a disfigured one... I felt pity for the poor girl... It may appeal to some audience but certainly not your core one. And when you release 4 scenes a month, you want them to be good.
At least they do have some nice stuff. Kelly Summer website is hosted there. I really like her. Pixie Dust as well, but sadly Pixie don't do B/G. A shame since she did as an escort. She could at least shoot with her boyfriend... One of the best SPs i saw ever shot 2 lesbo scenes for them. I am talking about Kate obviously. Damn i wish she would had done B/G ... lol.
Would i subscribe? I did for a month... grabbed the good stuff, unsubbed... Didn't took me very long to grab all i wanted. That was before Kelly started her own website tough. May one day sub again for a month to grab the more recent stuff
3) QUEBEC PRODUCTION Je vien
AWESOME production quality, they shoot full lengh movie instead of web scenes. Problem is they don't release often.. Also there movies take a lot of time to be purchasable as digital versions. I have not buy a single PORN dvd in years... i find them unpratical. I don't want to pass ads and menus to get to the good part. My VLC do a much better job lol. Lately there release have been using the same actress a lot, granted they are in my "mid tier" category, as in i think there good looking, but not must buy. In any case at least when a movie is release you can expect good quality. The owner of the compagny also is a cool dude that interact with the people on FB.
Would i buy? I did, 4 times if i remember correctly. May have to look if some other movies i wanted on digital have been put as such.
4) The Art of Blowjob
I liked when they had Ariane Clark aka Bella Knockers. But they where mainly a 1 girl site. I mean it used to be camille crimson and since she broke out with the dude a lot of the time another girl appear again and again. I also am not a fan of there super slow music videos at all..
Would i sub? No
5) Open Life
Seem to be the Lane Sister HQ, some scenes look great, but they also have a lot of american stuff, wich seem recycle from evil angel. Its one of those website i would maybe subs for a month and get what i want and then unsub immediately. Would be worth it if you don't have acces to evil angel stuff elsewhere.
I think this cover it all.
Obviously if you read it all you would see i am not satisfy with the current state of porn in Quebec. May it be the small size of the pool of both girls and customers? I think one thing that should be done is shoot either in english or sub title all scenes, try to appeal to an american audience and market it as such. Maybe offer a "buy at a piece" system to get known at first. Im not a business man but what i would do if i started my own porn compagny would be to offer scenes clipforsales style at first. I would also either try to have the girls do better acting or ditch the scenarios.
Also the SP scene has proven that Montreal is a gold mine of hotness... I know not all of them would be at ease in front of a camera, but to make it worth it you need to pull out the wallet and pay them well. I know from what some girls tell me that AD4 for exemple didn't pay much lol. One website in the state who is in business and do pretty good without a big market is GIRLSDOPORN. They have extremely hot girls, they folow a very simple scenario, ithe girl do an interview on the bed, they usually shoot the same angle and end it with a big facial. I would love more variety but there girls are so hot and they are true beginners, you usually didn't see them in porn yet or maybe once at another similar website like exploited college girls. I heard they pay VERY WELL and they pay the travel expense of these girls that come from all around the states.
If anybody is interested, i always wanted to be a porn director. Since i was very young lol. I don't have the money for it tough. If anybody want to start a compagny and provide the money for it, i am your guy lol. I have TONS and tons of great ideas, and as a porn customer myself, i know what a lot of guys want. Im sure lots of dudes are tired of these 12 inches dick and the likes of keiran lee in everything. Why you think a guy like Pierre Woodman is so popular despite looking very bad? He offer something you don't see elsewhere.
I think the big problem for porn in quebec is the lack of money. If money would be provided, all doors would be open.
1) Pegas Productions
Probably the biggest compagny here. Good production value and quality in there videos. There models vary (at least to my liking) from not interesting to very hot. Obviously the Lane Sisters, Amy Lee and some other well known appear from time to time, but i find sadly that the one wich are the best looking for me have only a couple scenes while some that i find totally unapealing appear quite often. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder... So far they seem to release mostly normal porn, but i did catch up a few shady scenes. Almost forgot, the acting of the girls are generally so bad.... so much jump cut, so unatural... they should improve on that if they try to go for brazzers type scenario. Some guys are alright like Gabrielle Clark, he act decently, some girls too, but some are just so unatural in front of the camera... lol
Would i subscribe? Maybe for a month... to download everything. Then would cancel it. 4 scenes a month is not worth a subcription for me, not when we have Brazzers and some other networks releasing daily.
2) AD4X
The second biggest compagny. Sometimes there girls are amazing, they have discover some hidden gems too over the years. But they are plagued by some VERY BAD stuff. First of all there production value is really under Pegas. There camera work, lightning and so on in most scenes are inferior. They also use condoms for BJ sometimes wich for me is a complete turn off... I wouldn't even book an SP that does CBJ, i mean cmon its porn, they are tested... Im also fan of Facials so CBJ = nop for that.
Then there is a large chum of bad stuff too. Casting scenes in bars can be funny at time but they are very badly shot, have CBJ too way too often, and they recycle them so much (4 times the same scene but with different camera angles) They did had a few very hot girls doing them tough like Jessy Storm and Maya Fox, but overall in general i didn't enjoy them. I guess its because the guys are not prepared well, the camper is too small, and i would suspect obviously if they where in a bar, maybe they could not shower like they should. They may have one in the camper, but well. Don't get me wrong, the concept of normal dudes in porn has always interested me. Done right this could be amazing. I would love for exemple to see a regular dude, not looking like a keiran lee having sex with Maya Fox and then facializing her , see his reaction and her reaction to it, stuff like that. It would be great. Idea and concept is good, execution is not.
Other part of what they do are re-releasing old bruno bs and "vintage" . I mostly have these already and they are shot in SD. Not interesting at all. And finally they have some weird stuff. Don't get me wrong, im totally fine with website doing only that, and i don't want to restart the shitstorm of my other thread. But as a straigh male i do not sign on to a porn website to see Rick Hard get ass fucked by a shemale. Or some 300 pounds overweigh woman. Or the cake... a disfigured one... I felt pity for the poor girl... It may appeal to some audience but certainly not your core one. And when you release 4 scenes a month, you want them to be good.
At least they do have some nice stuff. Kelly Summer website is hosted there. I really like her. Pixie Dust as well, but sadly Pixie don't do B/G. A shame since she did as an escort. She could at least shoot with her boyfriend... One of the best SPs i saw ever shot 2 lesbo scenes for them. I am talking about Kate obviously. Damn i wish she would had done B/G ... lol.
Would i subscribe? I did for a month... grabbed the good stuff, unsubbed... Didn't took me very long to grab all i wanted. That was before Kelly started her own website tough. May one day sub again for a month to grab the more recent stuff
3) QUEBEC PRODUCTION Je vien
AWESOME production quality, they shoot full lengh movie instead of web scenes. Problem is they don't release often.. Also there movies take a lot of time to be purchasable as digital versions. I have not buy a single PORN dvd in years... i find them unpratical. I don't want to pass ads and menus to get to the good part. My VLC do a much better job lol. Lately there release have been using the same actress a lot, granted they are in my "mid tier" category, as in i think there good looking, but not must buy. In any case at least when a movie is release you can expect good quality. The owner of the compagny also is a cool dude that interact with the people on FB.
Would i buy? I did, 4 times if i remember correctly. May have to look if some other movies i wanted on digital have been put as such.
4) The Art of Blowjob
I liked when they had Ariane Clark aka Bella Knockers. But they where mainly a 1 girl site. I mean it used to be camille crimson and since she broke out with the dude a lot of the time another girl appear again and again. I also am not a fan of there super slow music videos at all..
Would i sub? No
5) Open Life
Seem to be the Lane Sister HQ, some scenes look great, but they also have a lot of american stuff, wich seem recycle from evil angel. Its one of those website i would maybe subs for a month and get what i want and then unsub immediately. Would be worth it if you don't have acces to evil angel stuff elsewhere.
I think this cover it all.
Obviously if you read it all you would see i am not satisfy with the current state of porn in Quebec. May it be the small size of the pool of both girls and customers? I think one thing that should be done is shoot either in english or sub title all scenes, try to appeal to an american audience and market it as such. Maybe offer a "buy at a piece" system to get known at first. Im not a business man but what i would do if i started my own porn compagny would be to offer scenes clipforsales style at first. I would also either try to have the girls do better acting or ditch the scenarios.
Also the SP scene has proven that Montreal is a gold mine of hotness... I know not all of them would be at ease in front of a camera, but to make it worth it you need to pull out the wallet and pay them well. I know from what some girls tell me that AD4 for exemple didn't pay much lol. One website in the state who is in business and do pretty good without a big market is GIRLSDOPORN. They have extremely hot girls, they folow a very simple scenario, ithe girl do an interview on the bed, they usually shoot the same angle and end it with a big facial. I would love more variety but there girls are so hot and they are true beginners, you usually didn't see them in porn yet or maybe once at another similar website like exploited college girls. I heard they pay VERY WELL and they pay the travel expense of these girls that come from all around the states.
If anybody is interested, i always wanted to be a porn director. Since i was very young lol. I don't have the money for it tough. If anybody want to start a compagny and provide the money for it, i am your guy lol. I have TONS and tons of great ideas, and as a porn customer myself, i know what a lot of guys want. Im sure lots of dudes are tired of these 12 inches dick and the likes of keiran lee in everything. Why you think a guy like Pierre Woodman is so popular despite looking very bad? He offer something you don't see elsewhere.
I think the big problem for porn in quebec is the lack of money. If money would be provided, all doors would be open.
Interesting indeed. Replace sex or porn with alcohol abuse in this article, it would give something like this:
- "The public health effects of alcohol abuse by children, women and men.”
- "blaming alcohol for a wide range of medical and social ailments, from erectile dysfunction to divorce.
- "alcohol is a destructive force on the health of the nation?"
Would anyone try to decide from this that alcohol should be prohibited? Prohibition has been tried... we know the story! However, it seems to me that the social dangers of alcohol are much more tangible and widespread.....
If we were talking about guns instead of porn, wouldn't it be a public health risk? I bet you there are much more people dying of gun usage than porn abuse. Would that make any republican blink? nope.....
The other aspect of this is the sexual frustration relief that porn and hobbying provide to the singles. Now that the country has over 30% of its household who are single-person household, we can assert that the stereotype of the "monogamous, heterosexual, romantic couple", as the article describes, is a fantassy. Do all of these household have happy sex life? I doubt it. Researchers make a difference between the "happy and an unhappy single-person household", whether if "singleness" (I don't want to say celibacy...) is voluntary or not. So, according to those bleeding heart right wings, those million people with involuntary singleness should just suck it up and live a sexless life since the only appropriate sex is between a married heterosexual monogamous couple. Bullshit... Read this article: Nothing inspires murderous mayhem in human beings more reliably than sexual repression.
So, in the end, I believe that sexual repression causes a social crisis much more than porn.
Nouveau reportage sur Mindgeek diffusé demain, à 22 h 30, à ICI Télé ; il sera aussi en ligne sur Tou.tv
https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/televi...r-dune-industrie-qui-brasse-des-milliards.php
https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/televi...r-dune-industrie-qui-brasse-des-milliards.php
J'ai beaucoup lu sur Mindgeek dans les derniers jours, ainsi que sur les différents dirigeants de cette entreprise. Dans le lot, il y a un gradué en TI de Concordia, et je pense qu'il est également impliqué dans FlighHb (et autres entreprises dans le domaine du voyage). Je pense que c'est un gars qui a une bonne tête pour les affaires, et qui est capable de mettre en place des entreprises via l'utilisation de la technologie numérique. Je suis quasiment tenter de postuler comme Chargé de projet pour l'une de ses boites quand je vois les conditions de travail avant-gardistes.
Entrevue de Bernard Drainville réalisée hier avec Nicola Lafleur, propriétaire de Pegas Productions, sur les ondes du 98.5fm à Montréal.
https://www.985fm.ca/extraits-audio...e-de-la-main-doeuvre-frappe-lindustrie-du-xxx
https://www.985fm.ca/extraits-audio...e-de-la-main-doeuvre-frappe-lindustrie-du-xxx
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