New Yorker Magazine: Outrage or Good Editorial?

[YouVantOption]

Good point

Kristy Temptation is sitting beside me and she asked what we were discussing. I told her 'American politics'.

"On an escort review board?" was her response to me.

Can't argue with that logic.

 

[Porter]

Kristy Temptation is sitting beside me and she asked what we were discussing. I told her 'American politics'.

"On an escort review board?" was her response to me.

Can't argue with that logic.

You have Kristy with you and your typing on the keyboard

What lost the manual or something

 

[eastender]

Mild

Found it rather mild compared to the old National Lampoon's treatment of Richard Nixon, Spiro Agnew, the Viet Nam war and Watergate. The actual artwork is not as good either.

Just some parody for the dog days of summer.

 

[korbel]

Kristy Temptation is sitting beside me and she asked what we were discussing. I told her 'American politics'.

"On an escort review board?" was her response to me.

Can't argue with that logic.

Hello YVO,

Now that is strange. PLEASE tell me you aren't paying for her time and bothering with the board while doing so. Damn I didn't think you were so old. Can't you think of anything better to do right now? Dear Kristy...if YVO has no ideas...come to me sweetie...I promise much more excitement than reading Merb. YVO...get some viagra...or something...LOL! Thanks for spending at least $160 an hour to respond to my thread. Priorities buddy...PRIORITIES!

Wow,

Korbel

 

[YouVantOption]

Thanks for spending at least $160 an hour to respond to my thread. Priorities buddy...PRIORITIES!

Wow,

Korbel

Her rates are significantly higher than $160/hour. But see? She brings the funny, too.

 

[korbel]

Her rates are significantly higher than $160/hour. But see? She brings the funny, too.

Hello YVO,

Yes, I see it's $250/hour. She sure looks like a darling little hottie at 5'3" 100 lbs. I hope you had a good time. Thanks for giving us at Merb your attention during your trist. I would never have bothered with anything else if I was with her. She looks too delicious to leave "unattended".

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[YouVantOption]

Hello YVO,

Yes, I see it's $250/hour. She sure looks like a darling little hottie at 5'3" 100 lbs.

I think so too.

I hope you had a good time. Thanks for giving us at Merb your attention during your trist.

It wasn't a trist last night, we were just hanging out. She's a buddy.

I would never have bothered with anything else if I was with her. She looks too delicious to leave "unattended".

Rest assured, dear boy, that nothing stands between me and my appointed rounds when I have pussy in mind. Not even a discussion on MERB.

 

[korbel]

Hello YVO,

You asked me: "Please show me which post and which phrase implies that I believe the cartoon is an earnest representation." Here it is:

"The cartoon does prove that deeply-held, vehemently-expressed political philosophies are the enemy of humour. Nothing more effectively kills a buzz than earnestness."

Now, putting this the reference to the cartoon as part of some "deeply held, vehemently-expressed political philosophies" further characterized as made in "earnestness" is the source of my conclusion. It's a bit confusing but in the end it seems to say the cartoon is a legitimate representation. If you did not intend this then excuse me. But it reads this way even if it wasn't your intent.

Clarification?

Korbel

 

[YouVantOption]

Hello YVO,

You asked me: "Please show me which post and which phrase implies that I believe the cartoon is an earnest representation." Here it is:

"The cartoon does prove that deeply-held, vehemently-expressed political philosophies are the enemy of humour. Nothing more effectively kills a buzz than earnestness."

Now, putting this the reference to the cartoon as part of some "deeply held, vehemently-expressed political philosophies" further characterized as made in "earnestness" is the source of my conclusion. It's a bit confusing but in the end it seems to say the cartoon is a legitimate representation. If you did not intend this then excuse me. But it reads this way even if it wasn't your intent.

Clarification?

Korbel

The earnestness would be on the part of the beholders who regard this as anything but satire.

 

[YouVantOption]

The earnestness would be on the part of the beholders who regard this as anything but satire.

The Huffington Post predictably has coverage on 'The Outrage'.

The editor of The New Yorker is interviewed and says "the cover (is) "satire" targeting not Obama, but the "absurdity" of the rumors flying about him."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/yikes-controversial-emnew_n_112429.html

The earnestness, dear Korbel is that of those that don't get (or appreciate) the joke. let's put it this way, were McCain cast in a similarly unflattering but satirical light, perhaps in a wheelchair, and an IV stuck in his arm, it would bring a smirk to a lot of those faces who are outraged at the moment.

Not to say I don't understand why the outrage is there. Obama personifies a shift away from the horribly wrong politics of Bush-McCain, and Obama supporters are terrified that this cover will sway undecideds to vote for his opponent. I think they have to have a little more faith in Obama. 'Hope', as it were.

The cover satirizes all the bullshit Fox News put forth about Obama. No thinking person believes any of it. I guess the way to win an election is to convince all the non-thinkers, and there's where the outrage lies. The non-thinkers might believe it.

Give 'em a little more credit than that, I say. It is their children whose dead and shredded bodies are being shipped home from Iraq. They have a bone to pick with those idiots who think it would be good to 'stay the course' or worse, go up against Iran.

 

[YouVantOption]

let's put it this way, were McCain cast in a similarly unflattering but satirical light, perhaps in a wheelchair, and an IV stuck in his arm, it would bring a smirk to a lot of those faces who are outraged at the moment.

I swear to god I hadn't seen this when I posted the above

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/15/a-new-yorker-cover-for-na_n_112877.html

 

[seymourhass]

The earnestness would be on the part of the beholders who regard this as anything but satire.

Would that include both presidential candidates who agreed it was tasteless and offensive?

 

[YouVantOption]

Would that include both presidential candidates who agreed it was tasteless and offensive?

And you expected them to say or do something different? if so, what?

 

[korbel]

The Huffington Post predictably has coverage on `The Outrage`.

The editor of The New Yorker is interviewed and says "the cover (is) "satire" targeting not Obama, but the "absurdity" of the rumors flying about him."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13/yikes-controversial-emnew_n_112429.html

The earnestness, dear Korbel is that of those that don`t get (or appreciate) the joke. let`s put it this way, were McCain cast in a similarly unflattering but satirical light, perhaps in a wheelchair, and an IV stuck in his arm, it would bring a smirk to a lot of those faces who are outraged at the moment.

Not to say I don`t understand why the outrage is there. Obama personifies a shift away from the horribly wrong politics of Bush-McCain, and Obama supporters are terrified that this cover will sway undecideds to vote for his opponent. I think they have to have a little more faith in Obama. `Hope`, as it were.

The cover satirizes all the bullshit Fox News put forth about Obama. No thinking person believes any of it. I guess the way to win an election is to convince all the non-thinkers, and there`s where the outrage lies. The non-thinkers might believe it.

Give `em a little more credit than that, I say. It is their children whose dead and shredded bodies are being shipped home from Iraq. They have a bone to pick with those idiots who think it would be good to `stay the course` or worse, go up against Iran.

Hello YVO,

Earnestness:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/earnestness

ear·nest 1 play_w2("E0005900") (ûrhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifnhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifst) adj. 1. Marked by or showing deep sincerity or seriousness: an earnest gesture of goodwill.
2. Of an important or weighty nature; grave. See Synonyms at serious.

Idiom: in earnest 1. With a purposeful or sincere intent: settled down to study in earnest for the examination.
2. Serious; determined: "Both sides are deeply in earnest, with passions that approximate those of civil war" Conor Cruise O`Brien.

You and I seem to have different interpretations of what you wrote. For me earnestness means serious commitment to a position. When you refer to that cartoon with this word, for me you are talking about a serious depiction of intent, not satire. Well, let`s not go on about this. At the moment 50% of voters say the cartoon is outrageous.

We who have been informed about the intent of the cartoon can understand the satire. Unfortunately, I do not think the average person will get what was intended. When after months of clear explanation of who he is, many still think he is a Muslim and an sympathizer of radical Islam. If they can`t get that right after all this time how do you expect them to perceive this image with the kind of misinformation they have in their heads.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[eastender]

Satire

Satire begats satire, parody begats parody.

A good catoonist is a "zone" when they are outrageous. I for one would be disappointed if they were bland.

Confronting the hidden myths and fears will be beneficial to all.

 

[seymourhass]

A good cartoonist’s work stands on its own…without explanation…..everyone understands the intended meaning, the reason I maintain this was a failed attempt at satire

 

[YouVantOption]

You and I seem to have different interpretations of what you wrote.

No. You merely are having difficulty understanding what I wrote. The clear reference of earnestness was to those who are outraged, whose earnestness disallows them to have a sense of humour about the cartoon. I made no reference to the cartoon being drawn in earnest. It is not a question of interpretation, it is a matter of comprehension, or lack thereof on your part. Sorry.

 

[YouVantOption]

When after months of clear explanation of who he is, many still think he is a Muslim and an sympathizer of radical Islam. If they can't get that right after all this time how do you expect them to perceive this image with the kind of misinformation they have in their heads

then what impact will this have upon such people? Furthermore I know there is a lot of talk of such people, but mostly from those outraged. They seem to be a strawman argument, usually coupled with the words 'NASCAR' and Rush Limbaugh.

Personally, I think that if there are people who actually believe any of the radical muslim, hate america crap Foxnews is spreading, they probably have a much more profound and fundamental reason why they would never vote for Obama, but it's easier to say 'radical Islamist' than 'he's a nigger' when you get exit-polled.

 

[YouVantOption]

A good cartoonist’s work stands on its own…without explanation…..everyone understands the intended meaning, the reason I maintain this was a failed attempt at satire

If that were remotely true than we could look forward to the pithy political commentary of Garfield on the Op-ed pages.

 

[seymourhass]

Pithy political commentary?

If that were remotely true than we could look forward to the pithy political commentary of Garfield on the Op-ed pages.

I’d like to think Brian Gable of the Globe and Mail or Aislin of the Gazette provide us with relevant commentary