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Doc Holliday

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G1GBallday said:
Wrong again Doc :rolleyes:, Dryden succeeded Fletcher and was GM from 1997-99.

Yes & no. I figured most people with decent hockey knowledge knew the situation, but i guess i was wrong. Dryden still had the title of team president once Fletcher was fired. He had the title "GM" added to his portfolio. However, he hired former Winnipeg Jets GM Mike Smith as his 'associate GM'. But everyone in hockey knew full well that Mike Smith was the one calling the shots for hockey-related matters. From Wikipedia:

Mike was hired by the New York Rangers as an assistant coach prior to the start of the 1982–83 season. He would spend fourteen years in the Jets organization working in various capacities from general manager, head coach and director of scouting among some of his notable accolades with the team. Following the team's relocation to Phoenix, Arizona, he was appointed the associate general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, some pundits viewed him as being the de facto GM to team president Ken Dryden. A couple of Smith's noteworthy moves during his time with the Leafs were the hiring of Pat Quinn as head coach and the signing of Curtis Joseph prior to the start of the 1998–99 season. Despite the 28 point turnaround, Smith's contract wasn't renewed and he would later re-surface as the director of hockey operations for the Chicago Blackhawks prior to being appointed the team's permanent GM a few weeks into the start of the 2000–01 season. He was fired by the Hawks in 2003, after losing a power struggle with Hawks management.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Smith_(hockey_executive)

(What do you mean by 'wrong again, Doc'? When have i ever been wrong with it came to sports? :D)
 

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Sergei Kostisyn just got recalled from Hamilton ... bwahahahaha ! :D !


Andrei hasnt been the same without his brother around, hope this will do

more good than bad.
 

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master_bates said:
Andrei hasnt been the same without his brother around, hope this will do

True. What a bunch of babies! Imagine if this were the case with the Sutters, Staals & Mahovlich brothers!!!
 

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Doc Holliday said:
Cosmo, your hockey knowledge absolutely astonishes me! :rolleyes:

(for your info, Dryden was never GM....he was President. Fletcher rebuilt the Leafs & his impact was immediate. He came 1 game from taking them to the Stanley Cup finals.)

As if taking a team one game away from the Stanley cup finals in some ten years was any kind of success!!!:confused:

As for Dryden beign president,we all know he was the one pulling the strings up there....and did an awful job at it.:eek:
And he was there before the salary cap and tried to buy the cup just like the yankees but failed lamentably.....
 

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Cosmo said:
As if taking a team one game away from the Stanley cup finals in some ten years was any kind of success!!!:confused:

Don't you realize that there are almost 30 teams in today's NHL?? When's the last time the Habs brought their team to the Stanley Cup finals??


Cosmo said:
As for Dryden beign president,we all know he was the one pulling the strings up there....and did an awful job at it.:eek:
And he was there before the salary cap and tried to buy the cup just like the yankees but failed lamentably.....

Once again, YOUR HOCKEY KNOWLEDGE...OR LACK OF IT.....ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHES ME!!!!

Go back to the library, young man....you're way out of your league! ;)
 

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Doc Holliday said:
Don't you realize that there are almost 30 teams in today's NHL?? When's the last time the Habs brought their team to the Stanley Cup finals??




Once again, YOUR HOCKEY KNOWLEDGE...OR LACK OF IT.....ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHES ME!!!!

Go back to the library, young man....you're way out of your league! ;)


I'm not the one bragging about some imaginary success by reaching the semi-finals once in 42 years,man....


BTW,I don't think there was 30 teams in 93...your lack of knowledge makes me LOL!!!!!:p
Before I answer your question,why don't you answer mine?

How many Stanley Cups your Laughs won?(under the Fletcher-Dryden-Quinn aegis?)
How many finals?
How many 100 points seasons???
How many Prince of Whales Trophy???
How many first place?

Fletcher went to the finals twice with Calgary,won one Stanley cup,a few regular season first place and had a few 100 points seasons.That's what we should call success.
He did not repeat with Toronto.

Please get out of your dreams....
 

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For Sale: The Habs!!!!

I guess even poor George Gillette got fed up of these bunch of losers:

The Montreal Canadiens confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday a story from the La Presse newspaper that suggested owner George Gillett could possibly put the 24-time Stanley Cup champions on the block.

"The Gillett family has retained the services of financial advisors in order to assess various strategic alternatives to optimize the value of its corporate assets," team president Pierre Boivin said in a statement given to ESPN.com. "In Canada, the Gillett family has retained the services of BMO Capital Markets and the process is under way."

Gillett, an American, owns 80.1 percent of the team and 100 percent of the Bell Centre. He also has a 50 percent ownership stake in prestigious English Premier League soccer team Liverpool, and owns the NASCAR team formerly known as Gillett Evernham (now Richard Petty Motorsports), event promoter Gillett Entertainment Group, ski resorts, car dealerships and agricultural companies.

"We won't hide anything. We're going through an economic period that is very difficult," Boivin told French daily La Presse. "The banks are reticent to finance even good projects."

BlackBerry maker Jim Balsillie, who has interest in owning an NHL franchise, would prefer to own a club closer to his Ontario home.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4008521

Also:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Sports/Habs+owner+looks+selling+assets/1418450/story.html

By the way....the Habs just sent down Max Pacioretti to the minors. Why?? Is he worse than that little lazy prick Serge Kostitsyn?? No way!!! Another boneheaded move by one of the worse GMs in the entire NHL!!!
 
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Doc Holliday said:
By the way....the Habs just sent down Max Pacioretti to the minors. Why?? Is he worse than that little lazy prick Serge Kostitsyn?? No way!!! Another boneheaded move by one of the worse GMs in the entire NHL!!!

Oh please simmer down with the constant exaggerations and hyperbole...

Pacioretty wasn't doing much and nobody would argue that he's more talented than Sergei who has been playing well the last 5-6 games in Hamilton. And Sergei knows damn well what will happen if he doesn't play his ass off. Plus it might get his brother kick started. Since things can't possibly be worse, it's certainly worth a shot.

I'm sure glad YOU are not the GM. lollll

P.S. Oh... And "For Sale: The Habs!" is incorrect. You might want to actually read the articles you post. :)
 
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By the way....the Habs just sent down Max Pacioretti to the minors. Why?? Is he worse than that little lazy prick Serge Kostitsyn?? No way!!! Another boneheaded move by one of the worse GMs in the entire NHL!!!

I presume that you have extensive knowledge and field experience to formulate such a comment. What comparative paradigm have you utilized to form the basis of your concluson ??


I hope that you did not utilize the management of one or two SP's in a bedroom as a substitute for actual GM experience ?? Right ??

./P
 
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You'll have to excuse Doc, as a Leafs fan it's not easy for him to understand what good management actually is. ;)
 

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so Bob, you dont think Burke is a very very good GM? i will tell you this, he is worlds better than John Ferguson Jr. and even Gainey for that matter.




JustBob said:
You'll have to excuse Doc, as a Leafs fan it's not easy for him to understand what good management actually is. ;)
 

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Habs now tied with Panthers for final playoff spot. It's gonna be close!!

Don't count the Senators out of it yet. They're currrently the hottest team in the NHL & have lost only 1 game in their past 10. If it means the Habs not making the playoffs, GO SENS!!!
 

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The Habs are in a mess !!

Messier (And Not The Player) in Montreal

Could it get any worse these days for the Montreal Canadiens in the middle of what is supposed to be a celebration of their centennial season?

Apparently, yes it could.

With the Habs in freefall on the ice with five straight defeats, a report today in La Presse suggests that owner George Gillett is looking at selling the team as he searches for ways to deal with financial challenges to his diversified interests.

"We're not hiding it," team president Pierre Boivin told La Presse. "We're going through a very difficult economic period."

This report comes four months after the same newspaper reported that Gillett was considering selling the team to Jim Balsillie of Blackberry fame. That report was immediately denied by both Gillett and Basillie, and Balsillie went so far as to offer and apology to the Canadiens' owner.

Gillett bought the Canadiens for $275 million in 2000 at a time when no other investor, either local or Canada-based, was willing to purchase the famous hockey club. Since then, the Habs have consistently sold-out the Bell Centre and led the league in attendance, and this year hosted the NHL all-star game and are hosting the NHL entry draft in Montreal.

Gillett has many different interests, including co-ownership in Liverpool of the English Premier League, as well as stakes in NASCAR, ski resorts, marine transportation, golf courses and an auto dealership chain.

He has become a popular figure in Montreal, often seen walking the streets after Canadiens home games, or dropping in a local establishment to talk hockey with fans.

If the club is put up for sale, the question would again arise as to whether any Montrealer or Quebecer would want to buy it.

It would then become the second NHL club to officially go up for sale since the global economic crisis struck. The Phoenix Coyotes have been for sale for several months, although there has been talk recently that a group has stepped forward with interest in buying the franchise. There has also been great speculation about the future of the money-losing Tampa Bay Lightning, sold last year to Hollywood producer Oren Koules and former NHLer Len Barrie.

The Canadiens, of course, are an entirely differently proposition. Last year they were valued by Forbes magazine as the league's third most valuable franchise. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has repeatedly insisted that league revenues are up and business is surprisingly good, but if Gillett puts the Habs up for sale it would be a significant dent in the NHL's "business as usual" stance.

Gillett borrowed $240 million of the $275 million to buy the Habs in the first place, and heavily leveraged transactions are among those most under duress these days because credit has become so tight. That said, this could also be about luring investors out of the weeds, or even forcing a renegotiation of some kind. like on the city's property tax charges on the Bell Centre.

Just last October, Gillett said in an interview with the Star that he believed in the NHL despite the world-wide economic woes.

"I don't know if I'd use the word 'concerned' yet,'' said Gillett. "The general state of the NHL is quite healthy. The six Canadian teams are fundamentally sold out. As far as ticket sales in the U.S., season tickets I'm told are up 4 per cent and game day sales are up 12 per cent.

"That's quite positive. That's an indication of the growing popularity of the sport.''

http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2009/03/messier-and-not-the-player-in-montreal.html
 

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JustBob said:
There's nothing in that article that we don't already know.

File your complaint with Damien Cox of The Toronto Star. :rolleyes:

(or write your own article about stuff we don't already know)
 
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