...Oh my, the hatred!

[Splotch]

... So I stumbled on this "fun" little Twitter account of someone who seems to really really hate slobbyists and The Erotic Review (or review board members in general).

https://twitter.com/FCK_TER_

My "favorite" tweet:

https://twitter.com/FCK_TER_/status/775465083405078528

I am gobsmacked... I really don't know how to react to this... So much hatred!!!
On the flipside, is this how Sps can feel when they come visit the boards?? (I don't know TER, or how they might be worse than MERB)
Should I feel guilty for being a member on a escort review board? Am I part of the problem??

... I think I'm gonna take a shower like Kermit!
https://memegenerator.net/instance/60417973


***Now if you happen to have an opinion on the matter, please-please no shit-slinging guys! This can be discussed in a civilised manner!***

 

[westwoody]

Some of those posters are/were on perb.

TER used to require members to post reviews to maintain status. That is an incentive for them to post fictitious reviews. I do not know if it is still like that.

There are some members in Winnipeg who have posted outright fabrications, I know this for a fact. And a few who are far worse than just online jerks. I do feel sorry for the women who were their victims.

 

[Splotch]

Fake reviews??? Really? What the heck!
Then I understand better the anger directed at TER!

 

[AmberRose]

While I don't wholeheartedly agree with that tweet(some of you are really lovely people) that account is more for TER, and I agree with their hatred for that board.

They will reject reviews not explicit enough(and I mean seriously graphic), have been known to encourage fake reviews, and are very, very awful in the way they treat providers in general.

But no, that's not the way we view all boards and those that post on them, only specific ones *cough*SP411*cough*

 

[talkinghead]

I've used TER (and reviewed on TER) in the past, but all the criticisms here are correct; and in many ways it's gotten worse over the last five years or so. You have to be a VIP member to get anything out of the reviews, which means either paying or writing reviews (whether you've actually seen a companion or not). In addition to the expectation of explicitness (as Amber points out), which some of us find tactless and gross, their rating system demands that only SPs who do above-and-beyond (CIM, Greek, etc) can get the highest marks. You can have a blissful GFE session with a beautiful woman and still give her only 7/10.

But I didn't know that they treat providers unfairly. Not good.

 

[greenacres99]

TER's problems go right back to the beginning as the founder was found to be threatening and coercing ladies into free service and was eventually arrested for hiring a hit man and for drugs. Everything but the hired hit I find unsurprising given how it is setup. The best part about TER is I can see the non-smokers without having to pay membership. The worst part is almost everything else.

 

[westwoody]

There are two clearly defined genres of customer.

Amber, I imagine you and most elite ladies prefer the genre interested in dinner dates, companionship, doing various things together like gym or going to the beach. And when in private making love with someone you have some kind of connection with. This is what I like too, yes it may be a fantasy but it is a good one and I like to think the lady enjoys it too.

TER caters to an overgrown teenager market. Guys read the creepy reviews and try to outdo each other at the lady's expense. Treating the women like crap is no big deal for them, she isn't a human being, she's just a tool to be used. Everyone would probably be better off if these guys were using an inflatable love doll. I almost punched a guy out at work after he went on a rant about what he did with a street hooker...in our lunch room, with women present. I do think the bad attitudes fostered on TER get carried over into real life.

 

[stiffrod422]

That Twitter account looks like it belongs to a disgruntled pimp that provides thievery and got too many bad reviews and now everyone is staying away. Good job review boards


Stiff

 

[talkinghead]

TER's problems go right back to the beginning as the founder was found to be threatening and coercing ladies into free service and was eventually arrested for hiring a hit man and for drugs. Everything but the hired hit I find unsurprising given how it is setup. The best part about TER is I can see the non-smokers without having to pay membership. The worst part is almost everything else.

You're right--it's coming back to me. I was a semi-regular on TER when the shit hit the fan years ago and the founder was ousted, or something. I don't have a good memory about it but I do remember a big kerfuffle and the owner looking like a complete jerk and getting the boot--or something like that.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I always found TER's review system bizarre and prejudicial. For example, many years ago when I was a VIP on TER I tried to review a massage girl in NYC. She was a higher end massage girl who offered extras but on our first visit I just opted for a straight massage. I tried to give her a 10 on service because, for the HJ service requested and given, she was great. But the maximum allowable score for a HJ service is a 7. They downgraded my review to a 7 on service and after that I stopped posting reviews. I have had a membership on and off and there is a tendency for the reviews only visible to VIP members to be a bit more graphic and misogynistic in tone than what you would read on MERB. This is because the authors know that SPs and fellow members and/or White Knights are unable to critique or challenge the review if it's wrong or over the top. The VIP reviews stand as "unimpeached truth", but I try to read between the lines. I very recently did find a fairly helpful TER review on an MP girl in NYC and I ended up seeing her. The review overrated her slightly but she was a good find.

 

[AmberRose]

Amber, I imagine you and most elite ladies prefer the genre interested in dinner dates, companionship, doing various things together like gym or going to the beach. And when in private making love with someone you have some kind of connection with.

I'd have to disagree a bit, since there's definitely way more than just two clearly defined type of clients, but I do agree with your reference to the TER market!

Just so we're clear though, I'm not an "elite" lady who prefers extended dates. If anything I'll always pick some quick hot fucking over dinner dates any day(not that they aren't also enjoyable)!

Unfortunately for those in the states, TER is one of their main sites.

 

[smuler]

I almost punched a guy out at work after he went on a rant about what he did with a street hooker...

Hastings Street ?

Best Regards
Smuler

 

[cloudsurf]

About 12 years ago I read the reviews written about a Montreal girl who did most of her biz in NY.
Most of her reviews were pretty good and accurate. There was one NY guy who gave her maximum points on 2 reviews. A bit over the top.
Then they got into an argument and she wouldn`t see him again.
He made up a very negative review of her that was as different from his 2 previous ones as night and day.
What I`m saying is that there probably are a lot of false reviews on TER

 

[Splotch]

Thanks to all the people who have posted and made this situation around TER clearer! Apparently they more than deserve some hate coming their way!
Too bad the FCKTER Twitter account seems to put all the people who go to review boards in the same basket...

So, to recap, TER has a membership system that encourages fake reviews, a review system biased towards relating explicit acts, members with a "bro" mentality, bad ethics, and a one-of-a-kind site founder:
From the Wikipedia page about The Erotic Review:
"Criticism
The site has been met with criticism, most of which centered upon its founder. Some critics have claimed that Elms has accepted bribes to promote certain agencies or call girls and has pressured others into providing sexual favors.[8] Others have made claims of Elms threatening them with bodily harm for criticizing the site or refusing to provide sexual services. Elms denied the claims. Others have expressed frustration over the company's association with law enforcement, stating that the site should alert escorts or users if someone is a police officer.
The Erotic Review distanced itself from Elms in 2009 and cut ties with him after an arrest in Phoenix that same year."

Seems not all review boards are created equal!
Despite it's more than questionable ethics, TER seems very popular sadly...

 

[westwoody]

Hastings Street ?

Best Regards
Smuler

Higgins in Winnipeg.

 

[PopeDover]

Too bad the FCKTER Twitter account seems to put all the people who go to review boards in the same basket...

Hi :yo:

Seems to me opinions of random jerk-offs on twitter are hardly worth a mention when there's human garbage like Max Waltman and Catherine Bennett getting published in respected(?) media that push the idea we're criminals that should be locked up in cages. I know this topic has been beat to death but adding it here for a little perspective. We will never be accepted as who we are and what we do in western society, and personally I wear attempted shaming tactics on me as a badge of honor. If there aren't any angry bitter dooshbags publicly criticizing the things I do then I'm not trying hard enough.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/criminalize-buying-not-selling-sex
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/sex-trade-prostitution-criminalise-sex-buyers

 

[hungry101]

Hi :yo:

Seems to me opinions of random jerk-offs on twitter are hardly worth a mention when there's human garbage like Max Waltman and Catherine Bennett getting published in respected(?) media that push the idea we're criminals that should be locked up in cages. I know this topic has been beat to death but adding it here for a little perspective. We will never be accepted as who we are and what we do in western society, and personally I wear attempted shaming tactics on me as a badge of honor. If there aren't any angry bitter dooshbags publicly criticizing the things I do then I'm not trying hard enough.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/criminalize-buying-not-selling-sex
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/sex-trade-prostitution-criminalise-sex-buyers

Thanks Pope

I can't believe what I am reading here. There is some disgruntled person on Twitter and everyone who has posted in this thread is ready to to write off TER? Have you all bumped your heads?
I wouldn't see a girl in the USA without a TER review. And excuse me but they do not encourage fake reviews. I agree that fake reviews do exist. I took someone to task a few years ago about their obviously fake review of one of the GoodGirls. When I looked at this person's other reviews he had not rated a girl outside of NYC. His reviews included mostly BP girls for 15 minutes. He was just trying to get a free 15 days so he blasted Baby of GG (if you are too cheap to give them your credit card then why post a bad review???). That was the only patently false review I ever read and I took TER to task and the hobbyist but it was not changed.

TER encourages you to buy a membership in order to see 1.) the fee that the girl charges 2.) what services she offers and 3.) the rating and 4.) the VIP details. If you write a review you receive 15 free days. They don't want people writing fake reviews. They don't want hobbyists asking for BB intercourse. Do I want to see the details? Hell yes. If a girls doesn't DFK, allow DATY, and provide a BBBJ then I would prefer to spend my 500$+ and take my limited time down the road to another girl. Do I want to see numbers? Yes but you had better look to see some of the other girls that the hobbyist has reviewed to get a sense of his ratings. There are guys that give everyone a 10 for looks and others that rarely give above a 7 for looks. There are guys that have never left the city that they live in and if they went to Montreal they would be giving out 10,000s if they could.....Remember, TER was invented by a guy that was sick and tired of getting ripped off. I remember those days pre-TER days. The hobby was a crap shoot. If you hobby in the USA and do not read TER reviews you are a fool just waiting to be set up for LE. You are going to let one disgruntled, vindictive Twitter User take down what I believe is the top board in the USA? Your out of your minds.

I have taken TER to task many times and not just for the fake review of the GG. They are so rigid though and rarely bend. The stupid rating system for services irks me. I was once tried to give Chloe a 10 for services and they wouldn't let me because it wasn't a 3-sum (really Bi) and I didn't do anal ect. I complained that I had the time of my life and I read the explicit reviews of other guys that gave girls 10s. Someone from the TER staff said they were going to modify the rating system and I had a some reasonable points. It seems a girl only has to tell you she is really bi or will do anal to be worthy of a 10 but she doesn't have to actually provide the service. All-in-all, TER is probably the most accurate board I have ever seen. There are sps out there that are rip offs. There are others with attitudes (just as there are hobbyists with attitudes). When someone comes to you with 300-600$ looking for a good time I think if you want to make it in the sex industry you ought better try to put a smile on your face and provide a good service otherwise get the fuck out. And If I see a girl that makes an effort to show me a good time I feel obligated to write a nice review. That is how it works. What is wrong with that?

 

[talkinghead]

I actually don't think there's enormous disagreement in this thread. I've been a TER member for pushing 15 years, and I've written a decent number of reviews. I use it and rely on it whenever I travel in the US. And, like you, I can certainly remember the pre-TER (and pre-MERB) days. But the criticisms are legitimate as well: the rating system is restrictive and, far worse, only reviews with "blow-by-blow" "juicy" descriptions get approved. There are many MERBites (including me) who prefer not to be too explicit, only suggestive. But most problematic is that, while "they" may not encourage fake reviews, the system does. The website is useless without VIP status, and there's only two ways to get it: pay or write reviews. To their credit, I think they've made paying easier, and you can now use third-party gift cards (like Starbucks, I think), but for years you had to pay with a credit card--and many people don't want an escort review charge on their credit card history. And so obviously people write reviews (and I think it's two to get VIP status, right?), whether they've seen a provider or not.

TER can be a good resource and, again, I'm glad that it exists. But I wish it were better; and MERB is a far, far better review board.

 

[hungry101]

I actually don't think there's enormous disagreement in this thread. I've been a TER member for pushing 15 years, and I've written a decent number of reviews. I use it and rely on it whenever I travel in the US. And, like you, I can certainly remember the pre-TER (and pre-MERB) days. But the criticisms are legitimate as well: the rating system is restrictive and, far worse, only reviews with "blow-by-blow" "juicy" descriptions get approved. There are many MERBites (including me) who prefer not to be too explicit, only suggestive. But most problematic is that, while "they" may not encourage fake reviews, the system does. The website is useless without VIP status, and there's only two ways to get it: pay or write reviews. To their credit, I think they've made paying easier, and you can now use third-party gift cards (like Starbucks, I think), but for years you had to pay with a credit card--and many people don't want an escort review charge on their credit card history. And so obviously people write reviews (and I think it's two to get VIP status, right?), whether they've seen a provider or not.

TER can be a good resource and, again, I'm glad that it exists. But I wish it were better; and MERB is a far, far better review board.

Maybe they write reviews to honestly review the SP and contribute to the community as you and I do? Also, I had reservations about giving them my credit card but I have done this on several occasions and every time I have asked to cancel my subscription they have complied. I have had more problems with Google Tunes double charging me than TER. Of Course it doesn't show up as TER.

I love MERB and I enjoy the MERB community but we are a bit spoiled here.

Now for the life of me, if someone wants to get a free 15 days of VIP membership and they decide to write a fake review...why in the world would they compound their error by writing a critical review? If I were to do it I think I would take the average rating and services and write something as milk toast as possible and not try to stand out? I am still mad about that guy from NYC who bashed one of the GoodGirls. It was so obvious that he had never seen her and that he had never been to Montreal. I called Shenanigans but TER would not change it.

 

[tiannas]

TER isn't perfect by any means but I won't complain about it. I have met some of my best clients through the site and I could not work in the US without it. I like how each provider has a searchable profile page with all the reviews and contact information attached to it, I find it considerably more user-friendly than the thread-based reviews here. I like that providers are permitted to answer the "in search of" posts on the discussion boards. Perhaps the reviews are a little graphic at times, but remember that we are primarily dealing with the US market, where you can't simply text a girl and ask if she offers bbbj for example. The only way to know what services she provides is to read about what she has done with others.
Fake reviews do seem to be an issue though - I hear about this happening a lot from other providers. And the admin are generally reluctant to remove those reviews.