"Please remember what a masssage place is legally supposed to provide" MOD 11

[Merlot]

Hello all,

I been reading through the thread and it seems like all have a good point from their own view. So I won't take sides about the right or wrong of posting specific information on massage parlors or Merb's policy against that. Just remember Merb is a business and any business has the right to make or change policies to protect itself or do business in a way it believes it will benefit. Once that is done members can make their choices.

All we are asking is that members use a bit of discretion when writing their posts as the comments they make may very well be the last time anyone is able to see a particular massage provider, or dancer in a club, because the comments may lead to her losing her job or getting busted.
M8

Seems pretty reasonable. Now who knows any MPs that use fresh butterscotch pudding. PMs only!

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Mod 8]

Hello Merlot,

The moderators do not look at MERB as a business. As I have mentioned in other posts, the financial aspect of MERB has nothing to do with the mods and neither Fred or the advertisers give us any directions on how to moderate. In fact if anyone ever attempted to tell the moderation staff how to moderate this board I suspect MERB would quickly become a board with no moderators at all.

When we make changes to various policies, we do so with the intention of making MERB a better environment for everyone, members as well as providers working in all parts of the hobby. If a number of Massage parlors decide to request NRPs, it would be to no one's benefit. If extras stop being offered due to overly detailed reviews, MP get shut down or girls get fired, no one benefits. If dancers get fired or stop giving mileage to clients, no one benefits.

We are trying to strike a balance between providing valued information and overly explicit posts that may end up costing everyone in the long term. There is a difference in writing a quality post giving quality information and writing a self serving post to show how much of a stud the poster is. If someone has to post about how he bent a massage girl over the table and drove her from behind to make himself feel like a man, that is his problem. But I see no reason to permit such posts if they end up costing everyone the chance of having a good experience.

At this point in time, we have no intention of changing the rules to prohibit any specific level of detail. But we will reserve the right to edit posts in the massage and strip club forums that we feel go too far over the line. For those who get their jollies from reading such posts, you can always buy a subscription to Penthouse Forum.

As for your request about butterscotch pudding, I can only give you tips on chocolate pudding. Sorry.

Mod 8

Hello all,

I been reading through the thread and it seems like all have a good point from their own view. So I won't take sides about the right or wrong of posting specific information on massage parlors or Merb's policy against that. Just remember Merb is a business and any business has the right to make or change policies to protect itself or do business in a way it believes it will benefit. Once that is done members can make their choices.



Seems pretty reasonable. Now who knows any MPs that use fresh butterscotch pudding. PMs only!

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[YouVantOption]

All we are asking is that members use a bit of discretion when writing their posts as the comments they make may very well be the last time anyone is able to see a particular massage provider, or dancer in a club, because the comments may lead to her losing her job or getting busted.

Sounds all reasonable and stuff until someone ends up bending a chick with a dick over a massage table because of a vague review.

OK, it was me, and I might have known in advance. But a review would have helped. And I didn't feel like a man.

 

[Time to Punt]

Hello TtP,

There was a case in Toronto in 2007 where the subject of a hand release was brought before the courts and the court basically did all but state that this was not considered to be an illegal act and the case was dismissed. It is highly likely that other local authorities are unwilling to waste the time and money to bring a similar case before the courts here where that decision will surely be used by the defense.

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/255176

So yes, I am implying that Montreal LE as well as other jurisdictions will ignore hand releases.

M8

Yes I remember that case. It involved the Hands From Heaven Spa ( not studio 176 as the newspaper states unless that was the legal name), which was a high end establishment and had a reputation for playing in straight and not offering a huge number of "extras". I had been there many times.

The spa ended up being shut down at that location pending the court case and later re-opened in another location. Speculation was the landlord had wanted to evict them and had orchestrated the whole thing.

This was an Ontario Provincial court ruling though and I have no idea whether Quebec would lower itself to use an Ontario case as a precedent. The other aspect which is important in Ontario is the role of the Ontario regional police forces in this. Regional police forces supply policing services to municipalities, mainly in the Greater Toronto area such as Markham, Richmond Hill, Vaughn etc that are not large enough to support their own efficiently. This spa was in Vaughn (York Region) where the York Region Police force had declared war on massage parlours, shutting down virtually all of them over a period of two years.

When Hands From Heaven moved they moved to Brampton ( the Peel Region) where this is not a priority and massage parlours are left pretty much to the by-law officers to inspect unless there are complaints of underage MPA's.

The point being that even in the GTA the enforcement is uneven, but you are right that ruling took the appetitie away from the York Region force to pursue these cases, although I think their job was 95% complete at the time. When the law makes no sense and the enforcement makes it even more illogical the law needs to be changed. The easiest thing would be to legalize it.

Montreal has only the one police force does it not ? Do they have a record of "raiding" massage parlours or incalls ?

PS LMAO at VVO - I'm guessing it's still within merbs protocol to mention the MPA was a shemale.

 

[eastender]

Montreal

Yes I remember that case. It involved the Hands From Heaven Spa ( not studio 176 as the newspaper states unless that was the legal name), which was a high end establishment and had a reputation for playing in straight and not offering a huge number of "extras". I had been there many times.

The spa ended up being shut down at that location pending the court case and later re-opened in another location. Speculation was the landlord had wanted to evict them and had orchestrated the whole thing.

This was an Ontario Provincial court ruling though and I have no idea whether Quebec would lower itself to use an Ontario case as a precedent. The other aspect which is important in Ontario is the role of the Ontario regional police forces in this. Regional police forces supply policing services to municipalities, mainly in the Greater Toronto area such as Markham, Richmond Hill, Vaughn etc that are not large enough to support their own efficiently. This spa was in Vaughn (York Region) where the York Region Police force had declared war on massage parlours, shutting down virtually all of them over a period of two years.

When Hands From Heaven moved they moved to Brampton ( the Peel Region) where this is not a priority and massage parlours are left pretty much to the by-law officers to inspect unless there are complaints of underage MPA's.

The point being that even in the GTA the inforcement is uneven, but you are right that ruling took the appetitie away from the York Region force to pursue these cases, although I think their job was 95% complete at the time.

Montreal has only the one police force does it not ? Do they have a record of "raiding" massage parlours or incalls ?

Correct. Montreal Island has only one police force that is responsible for massage parlours specifically There may be overlap with other forces if drugs, underage, organized crime or gang issues are included in the mix.

Massage parlours will get raided without complaints IF they set-up in close proximity( no clearly defined radius) of schools, day care centers,community center type establishments, etc.

Conversely there are long established MPs, gay or straight,that are around a corner / within a block from a police station that operate without problems.

 

[eastender]

Federal

The only thing I would add to this is that there is a tendency by posters who do not understand the law or how it is enforced to focus on subtle differences in the written law as opposed to how the law is enforced. There are many laws in all jurisdictions that are never enforced. There are other laws that are enforced. How and why certain laws get enforced are usually a matter of common sense.

Take the examples of two Asian MPs in CT. I will call them MP #1 and MP #2. I was at one time or another a customer of both before deciding to cease my hobbying activity in CT. Both operated within 25 miles of each other and the same laws applied to each. One (MP#2) is now shut down and the other (MP#1) continues on in business never having been bothered by LE in the last 10 years.

MP#1 figured out 2 things that MP#2 never figured out: (1) you get a location where you can discreetly operate and never have NIMBY complaints (in their case, an entirely walled in old factory building with no immediately proximate neighbors); and (2) you legally donate money to every local police charity you can think of and you let the local police know about said donations. By posting on your back door about it if necessary.

MP#2 did not figure these things out which are really matters of common sense. They operated in a crowded mixed commercial and residential area behind a Dunkin Donuts. Their front door was clearly visible from the DD drive thru line. They bused their ladies in in the morning in vans, something I could see even while eating breakfast from the Burger King across the street. They did not donate to the necessary charities.

It's just like any other business. Those who are smart survive and make money, those who are dumb and stupid go out of business and get shut down, and don't make money before that happens.

MP#2,were they closed by the local police or the feds? From your description(bolded) sounds like "illegals" with money laundering possibilities.

 

[EagerBeaver]

MP#2,were they closed by the local police or the feds? From your description(bolded) sounds like "illegals" with money laundering possibilities.

Local LE. Here is a related article on the bust:

http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/07/city_cops_are_i.php

 

[eastender]

Interesting

Local LE. Here is a related article on the bust:

http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/07/city_cops_are_i.php

First paragraph gives the impression that the locals may have jumped the gun.

A city detective and a confidential informant went undercover to buy sex in Westville — and helped close down two massage parlors that cops believe may be part of an out-of-state Korean sex ring.

 

[EagerBeaver]

First paragraph gives the impression that the locals may have jumped the gun.

It's possible that these busts lead to federal charges but who knows. I am sure that they were in contact with the FBI in New Haven and federal charges may still be coming.

The other MP, #1, is in Bridgeport, CT. They have not been touched by LE in 10 years and some posters on the local boards have commented that it is the only MP in CT where you can go safely knowing that they are not going to get busted. I have already surmised the reasons why.

Probably Montreal MP customers have much less to worry about as far as their local LE, who spend more time buying donuts at Tim Horton's than they do surveilling MPs or even incall operations. But, if local Montreal LE gets interested, it's for the same reasons as set forth above on Connecticut MP#2 - lack of discretion in running the operation, poor location, NIMBY complaints, failure to compensate local LE by donating to their charities, etc. etc. What happened in the referenced case of MP#2 is that a Korean guy hoodwinked a few elderly Korean women who are not terribly sophisticated as far as knowing what it takes to stay under the radar. The operator of MP#1 knows how to stay under the radar which is critical in a jurisdiction like CT. In Montreal, it's less critical, but the one MP I went to in Montreal had an operation very similar to MP#1 in Connecticut. With one exception, the Montreal MP offered a jacuzzi service, which is something I have never seen anywhere in the USA, possibly due to differences in health and zoning regulations here. I bathed in the jacuzzi with the masseuse in the same room as where the massage table was set up. The jacuzzi was heavily chlorinated and was covered before and after use with a plastic cover. This is the MP in the Frontenac/Hochelaga neighborhood. I forget the name of it, but General Gonad tipped me off as to the place. I think they are still there now operating under a different name. GG has been there many times. It was a pretty well run operation based on what I have seen in comparison to similar operations in the USA.

 

[Merlot]

Hello Merlot,

We are trying to strike a balance between providing valued information and overly explicit posts that may end up costing everyone in the long term. There is a difference in writing a quality post giving quality information and writing a self serving post to show how much of a stud the poster is. If someone has to post about how he bent a massage girl over the table and drove her from behind to make himself feel like a man, that is his problem. But I see no reason to permit such posts if they end up costing everyone the chance of having a good experience.

As for your request about butterscotch pudding, I can only give you tips on chocolate pudding. Sorry.

Mod 8

Hello M 8,

Really! M 11 says you're into caramel.

Yes, yes. This makes perfect sense, especially with MPs and their more inherently vulnerable situation.

As for me, I write reviews to remember the fun I had, and give others a feel of what they might experience. I never have thought of myself as a great lover or a stud. Though I am confident about my daty skills. That's where people like HFE are full of gas, arrogantly presuming they know what others are thinking. However, I would not write the same type of reviews if I saw an MP lady. It makes no sense to risk alerting the LE to remove what I enjoy.

Cheers,

Merlot