Donald Trump goes off the deep end in an unhinged tweetstorm where he called for the Governor of Georgia to overturn election results, and claimed to have won multiple states he actually lost.
It's not even funny anymore, it's over.
Presidential run 2020.
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Donald Trump goes off the deep end in an unhinged tweetstorm where he called for the Governor of Georgia to overturn election results, and claimed to have won multiple states he actually lost.
It's not even funny anymore, it's over.
It`s not going to be over till the money his supporters send him to keep fighting dries up. So far 170 million since the election. This loser is making money from losing....just like he made money on bankruptcies. Not afraid to beg and cheat cause he has no shame. What`s next bribes in exchange for pardons ?
Probably fake news from the right.
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New Stanford Study Suggests Biden's Agenda Will Have 4 Devastating Economic Consequences
The real takeaway from the Stanford study has nothing to do with a candidate or political party. It’s another reminder that free markets and economic liberty drive prosperity, while heavy-handed government interventions drag progress down.
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Probably fake news from the right.
New Stanford Study Suggests Biden's Agenda Will Have 4 Devastating Economic Consequences
The real takeaway from the Stanford study has nothing to do with a candidate or political party. It’s another reminder that free markets and economic liberty drive prosperity, while heavy-handed government interventions drag progress down.
"A libertarian foundation supported by one of the Koch brothers, which echoes a fundamentally biased study written in part by a Donald economic adviser, recently retrained as a pandemic adviser. He should wear a mask so he doesn't get recognized," my neighbor told me the other day about this study, freaking pussy leftist. I let my Rottweiler shit on his lawn again. Lol!
Après avoir baigné dans le plus abject NEPOTISM et PARDONNER à ses 3 innocents enfants, son gendre mercantile et guidoune-joker Giuliani........will he pardon sister MARYANNE and niece MARY??? 
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.Indeed pardons are forthcoming for all of Trump's children, Jared Kushner and Rudy Giuliani. Of these characters, it's very likely Giuliani who will breathe the biggest sigh of relief.
The pardon power is the ultimate get out of jail free card. In that respect it's unique and cool in international political culture. I often wonder whether the framers of the Constitution played Monopoly as kids? Did Monopoly exist in 1787?
I can understand Canadians like Gaby being shocked and appalled, but the truth is the Presidential Pardon Power is uniquely American like apple pie, and Ford trucks, and NFL tackle football. It can be a beautiful thing, for the person being pardoned. I am still interested in seeing whether the self pardon is coming. My father claims the Justice Department issued an advisory opinion in the 1970s in anticipation of Nixon being self-pardoned, but Nixon ended up getting pardoned by Gerald Ford in a quid pro quo move that made the self pardon unnecessary. Trump knows Biden will not pardon him. so the self pardon is his only chance unless a Republican is elected in 2024. Have you guys thought this through? Stay tuned.
The pardon power is the ultimate get out of jail free card. In that respect it's unique and cool in international political culture. I often wonder whether the framers of the Constitution played Monopoly as kids? Did Monopoly exist in 1787?
I can understand Canadians like Gaby being shocked and appalled, but the truth is the Presidential Pardon Power is uniquely American like apple pie, and Ford trucks, and NFL tackle football. It can be a beautiful thing, for the person being pardoned. I am still interested in seeing whether the self pardon is coming. My father claims the Justice Department issued an advisory opinion in the 1970s in anticipation of Nixon being self-pardoned, but Nixon ended up getting pardoned by Gerald Ford in a quid pro quo move that made the self pardon unnecessary. Trump knows Biden will not pardon him. so the self pardon is his only chance unless a Republican is elected in 2024. Have you guys thought this through? Stay tuned.
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Gaby,
I give you and all the Canadian posters here a pass because I understand that your French teachers in school did not teach you in the finer points of American history. You probably learned more about French history. I understand that when I read your and the other Canadian posters posts. So I am here to tell you something about American history that your French teachers didn't when you studied Voltaire and Marie Antoinette and Bastille Day.
The dudes that wrote the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were all very wealthy and talented and wise men, but they had something else in common that was far more important and relevant in shaping the drafting of the Presidential Pardon Power. They all came from Families that fled religious persecution in England. They were all Christian men and all believed in second chances and the forgiving of sins. That's where it comes from Gaby. Not from the Monopoly board game. You do get a "get out of jail for free card" when you play Monopoly, and it's similar in that respect, but those guys were thinking Jesus and not Monopoly when they created the Pardon power.
I give you and all the Canadian posters here a pass because I understand that your French teachers in school did not teach you in the finer points of American history. You probably learned more about French history. I understand that when I read your and the other Canadian posters posts. So I am here to tell you something about American history that your French teachers didn't when you studied Voltaire and Marie Antoinette and Bastille Day.
The dudes that wrote the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution were all very wealthy and talented and wise men, but they had something else in common that was far more important and relevant in shaping the drafting of the Presidential Pardon Power. They all came from Families that fled religious persecution in England. They were all Christian men and all believed in second chances and the forgiving of sins. That's where it comes from Gaby. Not from the Monopoly board game. You do get a "get out of jail for free card" when you play Monopoly, and it's similar in that respect, but those guys were thinking Jesus and not Monopoly when they created the Pardon power.
EB,
Maybe guys Gaby‘s age studied more French History than American, but I can assure you that the younger generation are much more likely to know more about the US than France.
They are French Canadians yes but they are North Americans much more in tune with things south of our border than in France.
I see it in my family members, most don’t even like the European French, they love visiting Paris but find the people there obnoxious and rude.
I have been to France quite a few times and it seemed like two countries, the people in Paris were let’s say like the rudest New Yorkers and outside of Paris they were hospitable and friendly.
Maybe guys Gaby‘s age studied more French History than American, but I can assure you that the younger generation are much more likely to know more about the US than France.
They are French Canadians yes but they are North Americans much more in tune with things south of our border than in France.
I see it in my family members, most don’t even like the European French, they love visiting Paris but find the people there obnoxious and rude.
I have been to France quite a few times and it seemed like two countries, the people in Paris were let’s say like the rudest New Yorkers and outside of Paris they were hospitable and friendly.
Agree younger generation are much more connected with US than France......we share same continent et nous baignons dans la culture américaine....donc normal que nous soyons fortement influencé et que nous nous intéressions à ce qui se passe chez nos voisins....
d'autant plus qu'ils sont notre oxygène économique...
On the PRESIDENTIAL PARDON POWER thanks EB pour la lecon d'histoire ....BUT the more interesting FOR ME is the way ALL PRESIDENTS----Dems and Repub---have exercised ce privilège unique.....et souvent pas de la facon la plus glorieuse....vraiment fascinant et révélatrice de la nature humaine.....avec ses grandeurs and its failures.....lolll.
d'autant plus qu'ils sont notre oxygène économique...
On the PRESIDENTIAL PARDON POWER thanks EB pour la lecon d'histoire
....BUT the more interesting FOR ME is the way ALL PRESIDENTS----Dems and Repub---have exercised ce privilège unique.....et souvent pas de la facon la plus glorieuse....vraiment fascinant et révélatrice de la nature humaine.....avec ses grandeurs and its failures.....lolll.Fradi,
I am not so sure about that. Gaby and most Canadian posters don't really fully understand the impact of religion and religious persecution on US history, law and politics. When I went to law school and later clerked for some law firms there were often jokes about old laws still on the books that arose directly from Puritan culture. These guys were never taught about Puritan culture in their French schools. The French have no reason to give a rat's ass about this history. Yet it is a history that wields powerful influence on American law, politics and culture to this day.
Nobody has greater reverence for the Founding Fathers of the USA than I do. They put forth some of the most important political documents in the history of the world. They were deeply intelligent and wise men like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, men whose likeness are featured on our currency. But you have to get into their minds and their personal and religious backgrounds to fully understand their thinking and how something like the Presidential Pardon came into play.
Now on Voltaire and Bastille Day, and Napoleon, I will be certain that Gaby studied those events and has a more profound understanding of them than I do.
I am not so sure about that. Gaby and most Canadian posters don't really fully understand the impact of religion and religious persecution on US history, law and politics. When I went to law school and later clerked for some law firms there were often jokes about old laws still on the books that arose directly from Puritan culture. These guys were never taught about Puritan culture in their French schools. The French have no reason to give a rat's ass about this history. Yet it is a history that wields powerful influence on American law, politics and culture to this day.
Nobody has greater reverence for the Founding Fathers of the USA than I do. They put forth some of the most important political documents in the history of the world. They were deeply intelligent and wise men like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, men whose likeness are featured on our currency. But you have to get into their minds and their personal and religious backgrounds to fully understand their thinking and how something like the Presidential Pardon came into play.
Now on Voltaire and Bastille Day, and Napoleon, I will be certain that Gaby studied those events and has a more profound understanding of them than I do.
By the way the greatest defender of the presidential pardon power among the Founding Fathers was Alexander Hamilton. He is a guy you might recognize because his face is on the $10 bill:
EB,
I’m a French Canadian and I can assure you that U.S. history is studied more here in our schools than French history. Many here don't even know who Voltaire or Marie-Antoinette are! Two fuckers in their own way. Lol! Many, on the other hand, know Abraham Lincoln, George Whashington, Martin Luther King and the Boston (Bruins) Tea Party !
I even know Hoover and McCarhy, imagine! But I'm a very bad example. You wouldn't want to hear me talk about gerrymandering over a beer, believe me. Having said that, the president's clemency power seems excessive to us, not because of its principle, which is familiar to us (French Canadians are mostly Catholics), but because of the questionable use that is made of it nowadays. As you say so well, it has become a "get out of jail for free card", for very political use not spiritual one. By the way, why would Trump want to give himself pardon if he has nothing to reproach himself for? Him and his children? It's suspicious at first glance.
As for Biden, I don't agree. He will pardon Trump if necessary. For one freakin good reason. Sleepy Joe said recently, in a speech in which he slept less than usual, that he would be the president of all Americans and that he wanted to reunite the nation. If he eventually refused to pardon Trump, he would completely miss that goal by alienating half the american electorate and turning the Senate against him irretrievably. A very bad idea, politically speaking. You only have to read this thread to be convinced. Lol.
EB,
You sometimes assume things without living here, French Canadians are much more North Americans than Europeans for a long time now.
A couple of visits a year and spending some time in restaurants, hotels and seeing SP does not make you and expert on French Canadiens.
The younger generations do not associate themselves with European French culture as a matter of fact they often get ridiculed for their French Canadian accent by the snobbish Parisienne's.
They are much more at home with Home Depot, McDonalds, Olive Garden and the Detroit Redwings, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets,
They are not European at all they do not identify with Europe.
I am sure they all know who Trump is, if you asked them who the current President of France was I doubt if more than 50% would know or care.
You sometimes assume things without living here, French Canadians are much more North Americans than Europeans for a long time now.
A couple of visits a year and spending some time in restaurants, hotels and seeing SP does not make you and expert on French Canadiens.
The younger generations do not associate themselves with European French culture as a matter of fact they often get ridiculed for their French Canadian accent by the snobbish Parisienne's.
They are much more at home with Home Depot, McDonalds, Olive Garden and the Detroit Redwings, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets,
They are not European at all they do not identify with Europe.
I am sure they all know who Trump is, if you asked them who the current President of France was I doubt if more than 50% would know or care.
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Trump inciting violence, warns Georgia election official
Gabriel Sterling cites intimidation and death threats to election workers in the battleground state.
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An election official in the US state of Georgia has said President Trump will bear responsibility for any violence that results from unsubstantiated election fraud claims he has stoked.
"It's all gone too far," Gabriel Sterling warned. "It has to stop!"
He cited intimidation and death threats to workers in remarks on Tuesday.
Georgia is carrying out a second recount of votes at the Trump camp's request. Joe Biden was declared a narrow winner in the key state.
The second re-tally is showing no major changes, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, said on Wednesday. He said no evidence of widespread fraud had been found to support Mr Trump's claims.
Earlier Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said his team was trying to make sure "that all legal votes are counted and all illegal votes are not".
"No-one should engage in threats or violence, and if that has happened, we condemn that fully," he said.
Yes it's all gone too far, all this madness has gone on long enough.
Donald stop, you are confirming your mental illness.
I wonder who would be the winner the number of tweets the Donald makes in a day or the number of negative posts Sen makes about him in a day lol.
It seems both will have huge withdrawal symptoms once it becomes so repetitive that everyone gets bored by it.
It seems both will have huge withdrawal symptoms once it becomes so repetitive that everyone gets bored by it.
EB,
Here is our $20 bill featuring Queen Elizabeth II, symbol of a British heritage much more than a French heritage in our founding institutions. In fact, our constitution owes more to the Bill of Rights than to "La déclaration des droits de l’homme". Even your founding fathers found inspiration in the principles enunciated by 18th century French philosophers. Not ours. Meanwhile, in 1763, France dumped us, preferring its sugar cane colonies to "a few acres of snow" (— Voltaire). We did not keep many feelings for her. Neither in our hearts, nor in our schools.
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EB,
I’m a French Canadian and I can assure you that U.S. history is studied more here in our schools than French history. Many here don't even know who Voltaire or Marie-Antoinette are! Two fuckers in their own way. Lol! Many, on the other hand, know Abraham Lincoln, George Whashington, Martin Luther King and the Boston (Bruins) Tea Party !
Having said that, the president's clemency power seems excessive to us, not because of its principle, which is familiar to us (French Canadians are mostly Catholics), but because of the questionable use that is made of it nowadays. As you say so well, it has become a "get out of jail for free card", for very political use not spiritual one. By the way, why would Trump want to give himself pardon if he has nothing to reproach himself for? Him and his children? It's suspicious at first glance.
As for Biden, I don't agree. He will pardon Trump if necessary. For one freakin good reason. Sleepy Joe said recently, in a speech in which he slept less than usual, that he would be the president of all Americans and that he wanted to reunite the nation. If he eventually refused to pardon Trump, he would completely miss that goal by alienating half the american electorate and turning the Senate against him irretrievably. A very bad idea, politically speaking. You only have to read this thread to be convinced. Lol.
RVK7,
You make some excellent points, and although I doubt Biden will pardon Trump, you provide sound reasoning for him to do so.
Those are some very interesting historical observations. And while you are correct that the Founding Fathers found inspiration from 18th century French philosophers like the inimitable Voltaire (who also inspired David Lee Roth of the rock band Van Halen), the American Revolution and Constitution both preceded by a few years the beginning of the French Revolution. There was perhaps no greater Francophile among the Founding Fathers than Benjamin Franklin. His numerous trips to Montreal and Paris are well documented, he is featured in your Montreal Muzee de Remazay on Notre Dame and Place de Jacques Cartier (which has the best painting I have ever seen of Franklin), and is considered by many to be the first great American hobbyist due to his fondness for prostitutes, particularly those of the French variety. He is said to have fathered many children with prostitutes. Franklin is one of the more curious figures in American history and it would not be an exaggeration to say he was the American version of Leonardo Da Vinci. He was an immensely talented man in a number of different fields and was not just our first Secretary of State and an accomplished international diplomat but an inventor, scientist, a journalist, publisher and was successful in other businesses as well.
Fradi, don't worry about me.
When he is going to act like a President should do, I will stop my negative posts.
As since November 03 if he had accepted defeat and behaved like a good loser, I would not have made my posts.
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