first of, i don't see that not getting involved in weither a agency owner partake in that which what the girl is hired to do equals treating the girl like a non-person. To be treated like i treat the girls... that's absolutely fine with me, i wouldn't want a girl to bug me about my work conditions, tell me to get another job, or generally tread me with condescendence... so i don't do it to them...
Problem: Owner Hoarding of SPs.
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first of, i don't see that not getting involved in weither a agency owner partake in that which what the girl is hired to do equals treating the girl like a non-person. To be treated like i treat the girls... that's absolutely fine with me, i wouldn't want a girl to bug me about my work conditions, tell me to get another job, or generally tread me with condescendence... so i don't do it to them...
Well, like i said in this thread before, have fun and treat the ladies well, thats all that can/should be expected in the first place. if a client were to tell the lady his problems would/should she be willing to help ? not likely, after all it is business when it comes right down to it. reality check or not, but sometimes reality is not always pretty, so look past the reality and more to the fantasy part. reality can cause more heartache than you want, and afterall, is this not a reality escape for most clients??? fantasy causes nothing but pleasure, and in alot of cases, for both the SP and the Client.
Treat the SP's well, dont ever be mean to them, be respectfull at all times, have fun intimately, and let the rest go, you have done your job as a client, unless and the only unless, you become romantically involved with her, OR become a good friend to her, then it is a whole different ballgame.
It is what it is.
Treat the SP's well, dont ever be mean to them, be respectfull at all times, have fun intimately, and let the rest go, you have done your job as a client, unless and the only unless, you become romantically involved with her, OR become a good friend to her, then it is a whole different ballgame.
It is what it is.
I would hope a girl would have the opportunity to walk out. If she doesn't, it is known as being forced-labor. It's a serious crime in probably most every country in the world.
As for the situation where the 'boss" would request free servicing or receive less calls, I would hope the girls would be wise to this practice. They have the option of going elsewhere like one of hungry's favorites. But some are probably intimidated. some probably don't mind, and some just see some type of weird advantage in going along with the request.
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Hello all,
So some of you think this is about getting too involved in the escorts life. It isn't. But if you think it is then look at it from the clients preference and business perspective. Indications from the ladies who have directly explained to me this problem, from client friends who have encountered this situation, and from posts in this thread are that the tactics of some owners to coerce escorts into proviiding them with sex in order to get work is significantly interferring with the clients choices and access to the ladies they prefer, while simultaneously attempting to exploit these women. So you can put aside all of the sentimentality that seems to be irrelevant to a number of you and it still amounts to the fact that YOU (the client) are losing out significantly: unless of course you somehow are one of the very lucky high-spending prefered clients who selfishly couldn't care less (not meaning that this necessarily refers to those who take a more passive view here).
In one troubling episode one of the most popular ladies ever in Montreal was unavailable for about four months because of the owners coercive tactics when she refused to concede to his demands. If a lady of such standing can be removed from access by clients then how much more is going on and how many more are facing this situation while also be removed from your access.
I have never suggested getting involved where we are not wanted or in any way it would be inappropriate and excessive. But part of the boards fuction is to use it to insure fairness that protects the escorts as well as our access and rights to meet them. If you are reading more than that into the purpose of this thread, then it may be you who is trying to insert issues that are not the purpose here. By making the owners aware that we will not tolerate this we help ourselves as well as the ladies. Any perception of getting involved in the escorts lives has nothing to do with this, and is both dodging and misleading the purpose here. We are talking about trying to compell good business practices that benefits all...except for the hoarding exploitative owner who tries to impose his sexual needs forcefully and in so doing either exploits or interferes with all of us, and in the case of some owners the situation seems to be a habitual mode of operation that may have both exploited dozens of women and blocked hundreds of appointments over the years. MAYBE...that is not a small matter to any of us.
Cheers,
Merlot
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Denying a girl work because she won't give the boss freebies is a crappy thing to do. If the boss needs a little lovin' and he doesn't necessarily want to fork over cash directly to compensate her for the extra wear and tear, he should at least allow the girl to keep a larger percentage of what she makes on calls. I think the only freebie the boss should be entitled to is the audition - he's got to know the product he's about to sell.
By denying work to those who don't put out for him, is the boss really trying to punish these girls out of spite, or is he simply trying to reward those girls who do put out for him by giving them more than their fair share of calls? I don't personally know any owners, so it's impossible for me to say. If the latter is the case, the owner should consider increasing the amount of money he pays his favorite girls on each call, rather than giving them other girls' calls. That way, everyone wins: the boss gets laid; the suck-ups make more money; the girls who'd rather not do the boss still get work; and us MERB pervs don't have to go insane trying to keep track of which agency our favorite girls are working at from one week to the next.
By denying work to those who don't put out for him, is the boss really trying to punish these girls out of spite, or is he simply trying to reward those girls who do put out for him by giving them more than their fair share of calls? I don't personally know any owners, so it's impossible for me to say. If the latter is the case, the owner should consider increasing the amount of money he pays his favorite girls on each call, rather than giving them other girls' calls. That way, everyone wins: the boss gets laid; the suck-ups make more money; the girls who'd rather not do the boss still get work; and us MERB pervs don't have to go insane trying to keep track of which agency our favorite girls are working at from one week to the next.
That's really not necessary to have that kind of "audition".
I have been, when I began, in 2 different agencies: the first was Asservissante and the second was Montreal Sex City.
My audition with Martin consisted to have a nice, respectful conversation with him. He asked questions and I asked questions. He was really professionnal. That exchange took about 1h30. He told me that wasn't that long generally, but I was a debutant, and that was normal that I got questions and some aprehensions.
With Jessy, I met the same profesionalism. We met and talk while having dinner together.
The way both of them did know I was good or not, is they ask directly to the first hobbyst who has meet me how the session went. The first hobbyst for each agency implicated were really knowing the fact they were doing my first meeting for the agency, and they have to give the feedback directly to the owner after. That's the best way to go, in my thoughts. That's respecting the escort.
I just don't know how it is for other agencies, other Sp's could come here and tell more about their own experiences in different agencies...
I think an owner of an agency should always keep in mind, first of all, that's a businness, and to keep in mind what's the real purpose of what he/she is doing. I think agencies who are keeping their girls because they are at ease and they are appreciating really how they are treated are providing the best environement who will allow the girls to be more at ease when she will come and meet an hobbyst.
Could all of you could begin to understand that, sometimes, some girls will have an unecessary pressure under themselves, and that could be in those moments that to be an escort for those agencies who are operating this way, could be also called sex slavery??? That's totaly illegal, and to be "using" those girls from those agencies, and with the knowledges of that behaviours perpetrated to the girl you are seeing, is putting yourself, the hobbyst, in the same basket as the abusing pimp??? You could be recognized eventually guilty in court for that.
So.... To think this is not your businness, to shut up, close your eyes and continue "your little thing" thinking that it is not concerning you at all, to meet escort in Canada is totally legal, after all.... Good luck! If you are following what's going on from the last months/years in the sex industry, you are more than awarded there is a clear movement who has begun. Some agencies were busted. And I wouldn't think that thing who is going on is about to stop. I'm sure LE is reading all boards to have any clues they could have to help their work, and probably some "hobbyst(s)" on the boards could be part of the LE, and ask questions to others via backchannel or directly on the board...
Anyway, that's speculation, but I might not be really wrong, logically. The way Merb wants that the MP reviews be kept to be to much graphical, just prove that LE is in the mind of Merb administrators, and Merb just do not want problem and stay online, for one... And two, they don't want some of their advertisers to get busted...
Good luck everyone...
That's probably the darkest side of the sex industry, and that's really umbelievable that in 2010, in Quebec, Canada, still exist such practices.... Really sad, indeed...
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Freebies>>
I think that if I was an agency owner I might develope this problem eventually. Although I would use a possitive incentive like more money on the appointment but not more actuall appointments alltogether. If the girl needs to bang the owner for appointments, then that becomes forced labor. But if she is willing to spend 30 mins of her time that evening with the owner in order to make more money per appointment. Then that is to her discretion and her choice. And I also believe a test drive is necessary to keep some quallity control. But some compensation is in order because the way a girl collects is also part of training, and also, nothing is for free this day in age.
Then again, Im just a hobbyist and this is none of my bussiness. I probably couldnt pimp a drunken innuit to an old sexaholic bootlegger
. So theres my 2 cents, probably not even worth 1 cent but you still read it .....
I think that if I was an agency owner I might develope this problem eventually. Although I would use a possitive incentive like more money on the appointment but not more actuall appointments alltogether. If the girl needs to bang the owner for appointments, then that becomes forced labor. But if she is willing to spend 30 mins of her time that evening with the owner in order to make more money per appointment. Then that is to her discretion and her choice. And I also believe a test drive is necessary to keep some quallity control. But some compensation is in order because the way a girl collects is also part of training, and also, nothing is for free this day in age.
Then again, Im just a hobbyist and this is none of my bussiness. I probably couldnt pimp a drunken innuit to an old sexaholic bootlegger
. So theres my 2 cents, probably not even worth 1 cent but you still read it .....
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The first thing I thought of when I read the initial post was: "hmm, how good can that kind of sex be"?, if it's done basically as blackmail?
Last night, I had a young lady over (my birthday, good excuse) and I put the question to her. She didn't talk about herself (I took note...) but about another girl who would make sure to "report to the office and make sure the boss is happy" before beginning her shift. The way she was stating it sounded like the young lady saw this as standard practice and it was her way to maintain a competitive edge...
I cannot find fault with the hobbyists who have said that their control is limited to the date at hand, that "doing their part" is basically be respectful of the ladies when they are with us. At least, that is ahead of many other attitudes. Being an "ethical client" is an exercise in multiple shades of grey.
I can say there are places I call less because of rumours about those practices. An interesting aside:
The owner of one of those agencies was talking to a big hobbyist. The owner seemingly bragging about the employees he had banged. The hobbyists asked him "and what about so-and-so"? The owner replied that she didn't have the looks he liked, so she wasn't part of his harem or his blowout club nights. Funny thing, her and another girl who was also not part of his "inner circle" were the only two ladies at his agency who ever struck my fancy.
Summing it up, any sex by coercion is wrong. "Some" discriminatory shopping does gos a long way. But the ladies as well have a choice to gravitate to more ethical employers. I have also found that some ladies are more inclined than others to play along at this game. So, being ethical sometimes is not simply about choosing which agency...
Last night, I had a young lady over (my birthday, good excuse) and I put the question to her. She didn't talk about herself (I took note...) but about another girl who would make sure to "report to the office and make sure the boss is happy" before beginning her shift. The way she was stating it sounded like the young lady saw this as standard practice and it was her way to maintain a competitive edge...
I cannot find fault with the hobbyists who have said that their control is limited to the date at hand, that "doing their part" is basically be respectful of the ladies when they are with us. At least, that is ahead of many other attitudes. Being an "ethical client" is an exercise in multiple shades of grey.
I can say there are places I call less because of rumours about those practices. An interesting aside:
The owner of one of those agencies was talking to a big hobbyist. The owner seemingly bragging about the employees he had banged. The hobbyists asked him "and what about so-and-so"? The owner replied that she didn't have the looks he liked, so she wasn't part of his harem or his blowout club nights. Funny thing, her and another girl who was also not part of his "inner circle" were the only two ladies at his agency who ever struck my fancy.
Summing it up, any sex by coercion is wrong. "Some" discriminatory shopping does gos a long way. But the ladies as well have a choice to gravitate to more ethical employers. I have also found that some ladies are more inclined than others to play along at this game. So, being ethical sometimes is not simply about choosing which agency...
Oh so true ...
Once, after 3 days, a lady tells me :
''I can't stay. The drivers are not the one making the booking and I'm not confortable with that.''
??? Was I asking myself ... So I asked her why ?
''I don't know what's going on, don't know who's busy, don't know if the phone rings''
:-O
To that, I have answered :
''Well, it's the first time I hear that. All the other ladies I have hired are more then happy that there is no controle in the hands of our drivers. So, no manipulation games in between the drivers and the girls, no favoritism neither.
If you are confortable as you said you where in the business, who else gets calls, how many, should not disturbed your occupation. That being said, I feel a glitch in your reasons and first, for sure you have no trust on your side towards our teams. The fact that the driver was never a booker was established before you started and it is not going to change.''
On that, I had to let go the lady. For me, it was obvious from there that she was going to play that game with the staff and it's untolerated here.
A gorgeous lady for sure, but ethics and peace in our teams is priceless !
:^D
Stripperlover must have been her driver at one time or another! LMAO!!!
Alright Doc...I'm calling shenanigans on this one!! No f'n way!!!! LOL...Good one though.
Actually, K, I happen to know this story is true. BTW, the woman's name was Abby.
Amen! Is unfortunate that this isn't a truth accepted by all here.
It will never be a perfect world, but at least we should be committed to avoid agencies which coerce their ladies. Merlot, please PM me the agencies which coerce their ladies, so that I can make sure never to use them. Thanks.
Maria's comments are interesting... I don't ask every lady I see what they think of their agency but I often do, and unfailingly I have recieved positive feed back from the ladies who work for Jessy, Peter and Asservissante... and these are my preferred agencies. I'm never perfectly satisfied that what I do in seeing the ladies is "proper", but at least I try to eliminate one odious element of the business.
I would be interested in reading Techman's observations here as he knows and is friends with many in the industry. Does he think coercers should be revealed and boycotted? I was mocked earlier when I suggested "boycott' but I'm willing to bet that a united front by right thinking Merbites would cause the 'guilty" owners to reconsider their practices.
You know if the agency owner paid the SP I would have no problem. The owner is going to get a fantastic deal. Instead of having to pay 180$/ hour like we have to pay with 50$ or 60$ to the agency and 20$ or 30$ going to the driver, the owner can pay 100$/hour of the money that he already made that night off the girl. Why not?
One thing I heard is that the owners go partying with the girls and hook them up in expensive swank clubs etc with drinks and everything they want without the SP having to pay a dime. So, if she is willing to except all this all the time then maybe a roll in the hay once in awhile is not out of order? I had a college professor tell me. TANSTAFL. There aint no such thing as a free lunch.
Doc your weirding me with the wife thing. I dont think I would have got a softy unless he was in the room. There was an SP I saw a couple of time in the South. She left the agency and went on her own. Her hubby was her new booker. I think he got a thrill out of it. She was late and I called and he answered. I asked for the SP and he told me her whereabouts and we ended up having a long conversation. They were ex-swingers. She became jealous and they stopped for awhile. She had two kids...a few years passed and she she wanted to sleep with a well hung black stud. He set her up with one of his friends. Anyway he preferred knowing she was out fucking. When she came home, she took care of him. He was waiting there ready for her. As long as he was not in the room I was OK. I sent her home with a few sleeves of golf balls for him and some lingerie for her to wear...least I could do.
Reminds me of a couple of my favorite lines in Raising Arizona,
Glen - "It's a crazy world."
H. I. - "Someone ought to sell tickets.
Glen - "I'd buy one."
One thing I heard is that the owners go partying with the girls and hook them up in expensive swank clubs etc with drinks and everything they want without the SP having to pay a dime. So, if she is willing to except all this all the time then maybe a roll in the hay once in awhile is not out of order? I had a college professor tell me. TANSTAFL. There aint no such thing as a free lunch.
Doc your weirding me with the wife thing. I dont think I would have got a softy unless he was in the room. There was an SP I saw a couple of time in the South. She left the agency and went on her own. Her hubby was her new booker. I think he got a thrill out of it. She was late and I called and he answered. I asked for the SP and he told me her whereabouts and we ended up having a long conversation. They were ex-swingers. She became jealous and they stopped for awhile. She had two kids...a few years passed and she she wanted to sleep with a well hung black stud. He set her up with one of his friends. Anyway he preferred knowing she was out fucking. When she came home, she took care of him. He was waiting there ready for her. As long as he was not in the room I was OK. I sent her home with a few sleeves of golf balls for him and some lingerie for her to wear...least I could do.
Reminds me of a couple of my favorite lines in Raising Arizona,
Glen - "It's a crazy world."
H. I. - "Someone ought to sell tickets.
Glen - "I'd buy one."
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QUOTE]That's really not necessary to have that kind of "audition".[/QUOTE]
Maria, that's a good point. I guess there are other ways to do the auditions. Doing them the way you suggest would likely enable the boss to be more objective in his dealings with his employees - which is a good thing. That said, I can still appreciate a boss' desire to know first-hand what the strengths and weaknesses of his employees are. Either way would work, though.
Any escort who is uncomfortable with her boss should vote with her feet, and any potential escort who is uncomfortable with an agency's hiring process should withdraw herself as a candidate. There are lots of agencies out there ... and there are even a lot of alternative occupations.
Maria, that's a good point. I guess there are other ways to do the auditions. Doing them the way you suggest would likely enable the boss to be more objective in his dealings with his employees - which is a good thing. That said, I can still appreciate a boss' desire to know first-hand what the strengths and weaknesses of his employees are. Either way would work, though.
Any escort who is uncomfortable with her boss should vote with her feet, and any potential escort who is uncomfortable with an agency's hiring process should withdraw herself as a candidate. There are lots of agencies out there ... and there are even a lot of alternative occupations.
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