STN did raise the possibility of a diversion being created so a bigger shipment could be snuck in. What doesn't make sense is a $30,000,000 diversion? This was the largest haul in Australia history. Also I think police looked at that possibility and if it came in at the same time, that quantity would have already sent down the street price of cocaine. There have been no reports to that effect.
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STN did raise the possibility of a diversion being created so a bigger shipment could be snuck in. What doesn't make sense is a $30,000,000 diversion? This was the largest haul in Australia history. Also I think police looked at that possibility and if it came in at the same time, that quantity would have already sent down the street price of cocaine. There have been no reports to that effect.
There is a difference between working for LE as an informant and being a criminal defendant. Informants are not charged with crimes. But defendants may cooperate and reduce their sentence. Informant is not the word used, it would just be he is cooperating with the prosecution of his codefendant.
Although it's true his photo has not appeared it has nothing to do with LE. Decisions on media coverage are made by media not LE. They ran many photos of the girls in bikinis because it causes hits and sales. All the pics of the girls came from their own online Facebook accounts. Tamine probably has no online presence. All that may exist is his mugshot when arrested.
LE has nothing to do with newspaper photos of defendants getting published or not. But, they probably did take a mugshot of the dude when he got processed and for whatever reason it didn't get published. He probably wasn't deemed sexy enough.
Although it's true his photo has not appeared it has nothing to do with LE. Decisions on media coverage are made by media not LE. They ran many photos of the girls in bikinis because it causes hits and sales. All the pics of the girls came from their own online Facebook accounts. Tamine probably has no online presence. All that may exist is his mugshot when arrested.
LE has nothing to do with newspaper photos of defendants getting published or not. But, they probably did take a mugshot of the dude when he got processed and for whatever reason it didn't get published. He probably wasn't deemed sexy enough.
The only pictures the medias have shown so far are the pictures the two girls left out in public.
Maybe this tanim guy isn't into selfies.
Maybe this tanim guy isn't into selfies.
I am not sure if this prompted A12B's post but here is an article I found about the lack of pics on Tamine:
http://snn.bz/2-pretty-drug-mules-but-wheres-andre-tamine/
Although this purports to be news it is just speculation, some of it not very good. People who are "informants" don't have a trial date upcoming on serious drug traffickng charges. Courts are not allowed to be used to press fake charges.....and arrange fake trial dates.
http://snn.bz/2-pretty-drug-mules-but-wheres-andre-tamine/
Although this purports to be news it is just speculation, some of it not very good. People who are "informants" don't have a trial date upcoming on serious drug traffickng charges. Courts are not allowed to be used to press fake charges.....and arrange fake trial dates.
That is correct EB. I read that and it kinda put a bug in my eyes ! You've shed some lights, thanks !
Seriously, who cares about tasmil's pic? I searched all over the place and still can't find the real interesting photos of Isabelle!
I think you will have to pay the website to get them. But from what i get its only nude pics at best..
Are you saying there 's no plea agrement in place with the Crown prosecutor.
If its thé case it defeats thé purposes of pleading guilty which
Mostly on agreed reduced charges or à more leaniante sentensing recommendation by thé Crown prosecution.
Avoiding à trial saves thé state money and time and ensûres
Closing and à punishment.
Cheers
Booker
Booker I don't think one had anything to do with the other. A plea agreement does not include a sentence although the prosecution will usually agree not to oppose a sentencing request. It's up to the Court to approve the agreement and sentence her. Just because there is a deal does not mean the court is required to accept it.
It's the same on the civil and criminal sides in most jurisdictions - parties in certain court case can reach an agreement but the court must approve that agreement in order for the case to get resolved. You can't shake hands and walk away, it doesn't work that way. Cases can be withdrawn or dismissed voluntarily but if neither of those things happens the Court must act in some way.
I do some work as a foreclosure auctioneer of houses, condominiums and commercial buildings. When I auction off a property at a public foreclosure sale, the sale is not finalized until the Court approves it. I recall one time a guy tried to do a private sale two week before the court ordered foreclosure sale. I told the guy's attorney the sale is legally null and void unless the Court approves it. He and his attorney then filed a motion to approve the private sale. DENIED. Two weeks later I did the auction which realized about $30,000 more than the proposed private deal would have. I saw the homeowner at the foreclosure sale and afterwards I said to him, "are you glad the auction went forward now? That extra $30,000 I got is going right into your pocket as it's your equity of the sale." Of course the auction result itself must be approved by the Court. I filed my report and motion for approval and it was.
Many times members of the public call me right after a sale asking who won the auction and thinking it's a done deal. I tell them Court approval, the appeal period and closing and Deed transfer are all pending.
No different with criminal deals. A good Judge will take you into Chambers before going on the record to work out any issues he or she sees with the proposed deal. Sometimes a Judge will suggest adding a provision or term or taking one out. Once this vetting is done the Judge still has discretion on sentencing.
The caveat is this is Australia so I am assuming they basically have a similar procedure.
It's the same on the civil and criminal sides in most jurisdictions - parties in certain court case can reach an agreement but the court must approve that agreement in order for the case to get resolved. You can't shake hands and walk away, it doesn't work that way. Cases can be withdrawn or dismissed voluntarily but if neither of those things happens the Court must act in some way.
I do some work as a foreclosure auctioneer of houses, condominiums and commercial buildings. When I auction off a property at a public foreclosure sale, the sale is not finalized until the Court approves it. I recall one time a guy tried to do a private sale two week before the court ordered foreclosure sale. I told the guy's attorney the sale is legally null and void unless the Court approves it. He and his attorney then filed a motion to approve the private sale. DENIED. Two weeks later I did the auction which realized about $30,000 more than the proposed private deal would have. I saw the homeowner at the foreclosure sale and afterwards I said to him, "are you glad the auction went forward now? That extra $30,000 I got is going right into your pocket as it's your equity of the sale." Of course the auction result itself must be approved by the Court. I filed my report and motion for approval and it was.
Many times members of the public call me right after a sale asking who won the auction and thinking it's a done deal. I tell them Court approval, the appeal period and closing and Deed transfer are all pending.
No different with criminal deals. A good Judge will take you into Chambers before going on the record to work out any issues he or she sees with the proposed deal. Sometimes a Judge will suggest adding a provision or term or taking one out. Once this vetting is done the Judge still has discretion on sentencing.
The caveat is this is Australia so I am assuming they basically have a similar procedure.
Obviously ,I was in that situation myself a few times .
We needed to bargain the right Judge that would approve it ,for over 200 counts ,it wasn't easy
No worries EB I have no criminal record but personally involved in many trials
Cheers
Booker
BookerL,
While I do not have extensive experience negotiating deals in criminal cases (I am mostly on the civil trial side of things), it's really not that different in terms of the process of how deals get negotiated in court pretrial conferences. I did one time have a deal get kaboshed in a criminal case. I defended a client on threatening and gun charges. He had no criminal record and was 40 years old so I argued it was just a bad day, the client had a beef with his supervisor and threatened to shoot up the workplace but it was just a throwaway comment made in the heat of the argument. The young prosecutor bought my argument and we struck a deal to nolle the charges unconditionally. What a nolle is, "Nolle Prosequi", means the prosecution ceases and there is a period of 13 months of probation and if there are no further criminal charges the threatening and gun charges get dismissed.
Unfortunately the deal was overruled, largely because this was right after the Sandy Hook incident and they were afraid they would look like assholes if they nolled the charges and my client shot some people. So they made him sell his guns and give up his right to appeal the State Police's suspension of his carrying permit. And then he got his nolle. We also added language that he was without prejudice to re-apply for a permit (due to US Constitution 2nd Amendment), but the State Police have wide latitude in denying a permit.
Unfortunately that client is now in prison for offenses he committed after this deal. He had severe anger management issues which went untreated. Not sure if they were treatable.
While I do not have extensive experience negotiating deals in criminal cases (I am mostly on the civil trial side of things), it's really not that different in terms of the process of how deals get negotiated in court pretrial conferences. I did one time have a deal get kaboshed in a criminal case. I defended a client on threatening and gun charges. He had no criminal record and was 40 years old so I argued it was just a bad day, the client had a beef with his supervisor and threatened to shoot up the workplace but it was just a throwaway comment made in the heat of the argument. The young prosecutor bought my argument and we struck a deal to nolle the charges unconditionally. What a nolle is, "Nolle Prosequi", means the prosecution ceases and there is a period of 13 months of probation and if there are no further criminal charges the threatening and gun charges get dismissed.
Unfortunately the deal was overruled, largely because this was right after the Sandy Hook incident and they were afraid they would look like assholes if they nolled the charges and my client shot some people. So they made him sell his guns and give up his right to appeal the State Police's suspension of his carrying permit. And then he got his nolle. We also added language that he was without prejudice to re-apply for a permit (due to US Constitution 2nd Amendment), but the State Police have wide latitude in denying a permit.
Unfortunately that client is now in prison for offenses he committed after this deal. He had severe anger management issues which went untreated. Not sure if they were treatable.
I do understand that you are on the civil side ,
In similar cases they can be different results ,many things influence a decision .
You know in one case I was personalty involve there over 20 pro forma appearances which is highly irregular ,the Chief Justice spoke with the trial judge to see what was going on ?
A client might loose a case for the lawyer sometimes its the other way around ,sometimes client and lawyer are both responsible .
Without knowing important details its very difficult to speculate
I am presently preparing for a trial against the Government of Quebec ,I met my lawyer again this week to educate him on certain strategy he wasn't familiar with .
In many cases ,if the client doesn't understand is position ,it's very close of a lost case
Cheers
Booker
The article is here :
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...cocaine-into-australia-see-cases-put-off.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...cocaine-into-australia-see-cases-put-off.html
According to today's Le Journal de Montreal
Melina Roberge, a 24-year-old Granby woman accused of importing cocaine into Australia, will seek bail pending her trial, which is scheduled to begin on August 28 in Sydney.
Melina Roberge's appearance is scheduled for Thursday, February 9 at 10 am (Wednesday, February 8 at 6 pm, Montreal time) before Judge Anthony Blackmore of the Sydney Court in Australia. She hopes to be released on a promise to appear in court on the scheduled start date of her trial, which is expected to last about three weeks.
Mélina Roberge was arrested on 28 August 2016 on the MS Sea Princess, a cruise ship on which the young woman traveled with her friend Isabelle Lagacé, and another Quebecker, André Tamine, who were also placed under arrest after the discovery of 95 kg of cocaine. The drug had been concealed in suitcases.
The three accused in this case are being tried separately. Isabelle Lagacé, 28, filed a guilty plea in December that was accepted by the court. She will be sentenced on June 30 by the Sydney Criminal Court.
For his part, André Tamine, 64, pleaded not guilty and must also face a trial that will begin on 28 August.
Melina Roberge, a 24-year-old Granby woman accused of importing cocaine into Australia, will seek bail pending her trial, which is scheduled to begin on August 28 in Sydney.
Melina Roberge's appearance is scheduled for Thursday, February 9 at 10 am (Wednesday, February 8 at 6 pm, Montreal time) before Judge Anthony Blackmore of the Sydney Court in Australia. She hopes to be released on a promise to appear in court on the scheduled start date of her trial, which is expected to last about three weeks.
Mélina Roberge was arrested on 28 August 2016 on the MS Sea Princess, a cruise ship on which the young woman traveled with her friend Isabelle Lagacé, and another Quebecker, André Tamine, who were also placed under arrest after the discovery of 95 kg of cocaine. The drug had been concealed in suitcases.
The three accused in this case are being tried separately. Isabelle Lagacé, 28, filed a guilty plea in December that was accepted by the court. She will be sentenced on June 30 by the Sydney Criminal Court.
For his part, André Tamine, 64, pleaded not guilty and must also face a trial that will begin on 28 August.
Going to get a no, wasn't the greatest of idea
http://montrealgazette.com/news/que...erge-quebecer-facing-drug-charge-in-australia
Cheers
Booker
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