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It does seem unlikely that a 92 year old retired surgeon who was traveling to Australia would have any incentive to be a drug mule.....and he was acquitted...........in the case at hand we have 3 people who are not going to be able to explain how they could afford to be on a $22,000/ per person cruise with money they legitimately earned. Tamine was unemployed and the two girls were wannabe Sugar Babies..... what will their answer be when they are asked who paid for the cruise tickets and with what money? This is presumably why they were labelled "high risk travellers" in the tip received by Australian authorities. The facts we know about this case do not suggest that this is a situation in which their luggage was secretly opened and stashed, although I have allowed that in the Tamine playing Sugar Daddy scenario, he could have gotten the cocaine from the cargo hold and stashed it in the girl's suitcases. This possible scenario means the girls would have been duped by a fake SD in Tamine, whose maintainance man background may have come in handy for stashing and moving cocaine around surreptitiously, but whose life resume does not appear to enable him to pull off his cover as a sophisticated world traveller Sugar Daddy.

As mentioned previously Australia is a huge target with a bullseye on its ports, because the same stash of cocaine you sell on the streets there gets 3 times as much as anywhere else in the world, this due to the difficulty to get it on the island. Ironically if the authorities let more cocaine come in the price would initially go down, of course addiction would also go up so maybe that would drive demand back up as well.
 

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You so far of the point on this one ,
Its the attitude and declaration of the Australian Police which is in Bold ,they don't care.
Australian Federal Police manager Wayne Buchhorn warned that unwittingly bringing drugs into Australia could result in charges.
"People can expect they will be charged if they knowingly bring drugs into Australia, or are reckless or wilfully blind to the fact that there could be narcotics concealed inside their luggage or items they are carrying," Buchhorn said in a statement.


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and he was acquitted..

Actually not !No trial
Victor Twartz, from Sydney, was due to stand trial in the New South Wales District Court later this month. But ABC reports that prosecutors will no longer pursue the case, without immediately offering an explanation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ine-soap-bars-case-dropped.html#ixzz4JhhPNTU3


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I never suggested that if Tamine in fact planted it in the girls luggage it would amount to a defense to the crime charged. I actually said what we know about the case suggests the opposite. Go re-read my post. Given the photographs the police took it hardly seems plausible that they could not have known that much cocaine was in their luggage. However, assuming Tamine's role was to behave as a SD as a way to explain why he and the 2 girls were on the trip in the first place, and that they were his "unwitting" submules, and that he transferred the drugs from cargo hold to their suitcases (possible but unlikely scenario), I never said that gets the girls off. It probably would only be relevant at sentencing and they would still get a long prison sentence.


I don't know what you are responding to because I never said unwittingly carrying drugs is any kind of a legal defense to the crime charged. It is merely a possible factual scenario to explain what happened. I don't actually believe that is what happened - and said that.
 

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By the way I was thinking about ways that Tamine and the girls could have successfully pulled off the muling of these drugs into Australia. What they should have explored was transferring the drugs from their suitcases to a small watertproof floating device, with a homing device, and then throw it overboard under cover of darkness for pickup by someone in a boat that had the technology to receive the signal emitted from the homing device. Not sure if the Cruise ship has the capability to monitor objects being chucked overboard at night as they head into port. But they should have had some plan to offload those drugs into the ocean before they got to port. Then they would have had a better chance to pull this off. Once the K9s were on the scene they were dead meat with cocaine in the suitcases. I think this is the thing they didn't account for.

There will be time enough in prison to second guess and reflect upon their plan and where it went awry.
 

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BookerL,

I never suggested that if Tamine in fact planted it in the girls luggage it would amount to a defense to the crime charged. I actually said what we know about the case suggests the opposite.


EagerBeaver


I have found the link to the 92 years "drug smuggler " for additional information throughout the hole thread it has nothing to do with any of your posts .



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Was wondering of the attitude of Australian authorities versus unwittingly bringning drugs ,interesting recent article on it
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/australian-91-charged-with-importing-cocaine-hidden-in-soap-1.2511073

The best defense they will get is shaving a couple of years off life imprisonment. Maybe eligibile for parole after 55 years of time. They have no money now and unless their families wire some money over they will have to settle for some Aussie public defender action and those guys have their work cut out for them.

I mostly agree with what you say ,however 55 years is American style of sentencing ,definitely no Canadian style ,and Australia is a British Commonwealth Country as Canada ,with no Death penalties , so pulled up a article on their way to interpret life sentencing according to Australian laws and values

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By the way I was thinking about ways that Tamine and the girls could have successfully pulled off the muling of these drugs into Australia. What they should have explored was transferring the drugs from their suitcases to a small watertproof floating device,
.

I had already submitted this option
No passage trough Customs ,plastic is water proof ............a boat & plenty of water .........



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Yeah I figured an overboard chucked item would get picked up by something on the Cruise ship, but if it was just a bag and not a person overboard, would they do anything about it???? I gotta believe little shit falls off these ships all the time and they don't call in the Navy or Coast Guard for a search? Right? I mean they had to figure out some way to get those drugs off the ship before arriving in port. That was the only way they had a chance it seems. And of course if the authorities find the cocaine once it is offloaded, they don't know whose it is. And they got nothing on the mules. But it also could be picked up by the importer before the authorities if they coordinated it correctly. Still a risk- but less risky then going into port with a suitcase full of drugs waiting to be sniffed by the K9s.
 

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Most major cruise lines are now equipped with surveillance cameras to record anyone or anything falling overboard, there was an incident recently on Carnival that also owns the Princess cruise line which the 3 quebecers were travelling on.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3095460/texas-woman-overboard-carnival-cruise-missing/

Interesting link ,however even if they have motion detector or any other detection device ,it's more on how they react to it when they know it's not human and what's there delay of intervention?

If the widow is wide enough, the luggage will have time to disappear .
Tight squeeze needs to be well synchronized.

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If the widow is wide enough, the luggage will have time to disappear .
Tight squeeze needs to be well synchronized.

Lots of suites have private balconies so it would be easy to toss the case overboard.

Problem is other people seeing it happen and ratting you out. On these boats there are tons...thousands...of old fart busybodies!
 

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Lots of suites have private balconies so it would be easy to toss the case overboard.

Problem is other people seeing it happen and ratting you out. On these boats there are tons...thousands...of old fart busybodies!

Westwoody !
If the evidence is gone ,who cares ?
Just the "old fart"

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Sam21,

An overboard offload of the cocaine would have been risky but perhaps doable late at night using a dark waterproof bag. And the worst case scenario is the authorities find the drugs and know it was thrown off the ship but don't know by who. Maybe some busybody sees it but presumably you throw it off the ship from a discreet location where you aren't seen and at most they can identify the hole or window it came out of.

Tamine will have plenty of time to ponder the possibilities of how they could have pulled it off if they were granted a "do over." Of course Tamine will not get the do over but the next Cruis Ship mules recruited by this syndicate in Montreal will get the "do over". And maybe they learned they can't challenge the K9s. Their senses of smell are second to none in the domesticated animal Kingdom.
 

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They were supposed to appear back in court 10/20 and I can't find anything on the news. Anybody heard anything ? Interested in this story.
 

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They were supposed to appear back in court 10/20 and I can't find anything on the news. Anybody heard anything ? Interested in this story.

According to this the Quebecoise Cocaine Cowgirls are due back in Court on October 26 which is next Wednesday:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3476118/hi...smuggling-30-million-in-drugs-on-cruise-ship/

Will be interested to see if they have Court appointed public defenders or more high priced private attorneys representing them. All they can do is push for a speedy trial but one article I read said it could take 12-18 months to get to trial so they may be looking at end of 2017 or early 2018 trial date.
 

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Dealers of hard drugs should be put to death.

You would make an ideal citizen in an authoritarian or totalitarian society. It's OK. Some people are just not cut out to live in a free society.
 

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Considering what countries are included in this ranking, I don't think the U.S. should be proud of its place in this ranking. But I don't know. Some people think the U.S. needs to move up in the ranking by broadening the number of crimes for which the penalty of execution should be applied.

Country Total executed, 2007-12
SOURCE: AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL

Source: Amnesty Inernational
CHINA THOUSANDS (exact number is secret)
IRAN 1,663
SAUDI ARABIA 423
IRAQ 256
UNITED STATES 220
PAKISTAN 171
YEMEN 152
KOREA (NORTH) 105
VIETNAM 58
LIBYA 39
 

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Those stats are just raw body count. A more meaningful stat would be the executions per capita.

It's like assessing body count in a Jurassic Park movie by dinosaur breed. The Velociraptor probably has highest per capital body count if you compare the different breeds.
 

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Those stats are just raw body count. A more meaningful stat would be the executions per capita.

Eager, yes I realize that the per capita rate might be a more meaningful stat (though it is not easy to find a ranking of countries by per capita executions).

However, most developed countries have banned executions so my larger point is that, however you look at it-total or per capita-the U.S. winds up on a list of countries that contains a rogue's gallery of awful countries.

I am all in favor of punishing murderers with life or long prison sentences but I don't think the death penalty is an effective deterrent to murder. I think some murderers love the PR that comes with being a death row prisoner who gets to make endless appeals of his sentence. Better a murderer should be locked away and forgotten.
 
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