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EagerBeaver

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Report: Gatti Committed Suicide

I could not believe that you guys accepted in an unquestioning manner that Gatti was overpowered and strangled by his wife, even in a drunken state. Made no sense to me. This guy is a vet of drunken barroom brawls and he is not getting overpowered by his wife. Now it is being reported that Gatti killed himself.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/boxing/07/18/gatti.boxing.ap/index.html
 

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I could not believe that you guys accepted in an unquestioning manner that Gatti was overpowered and strangled by his wife, even in a drunken state. Made no sense to me. This guy is a vet of drunken barroom brawls and he is not getting overpowered by his wife. Now it is being reported that Gatti killed himself.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/boxing/07/18/gatti.boxing.ap/index.html

I for one believe that she let someone into the apartment and had him killed because there was no forced entry according to police, I have also seen the strap that was used to strangle him and it was full of blood, I don't believe she had the strength to strangle him unless she had help.
 

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The same way I could not believe that you are entertaining the possibility that Gatti strangled himself to death.

What is being suggested is that Gatti hanged himself. It's also possible as suggested by JT that his wife let some goons in to the room to do the job she was not physically capable of doing herself. How Gatti would have hanged himself with a purse strap I am not sure. It also could have been an autoerotic asphyxia situation, which led to the deaths of David Carradine and Michael Hutchence (lead singer of INXS). They were masturbating while their bodies were suspended in mid air and something went wrong. It ends up looking like suicide until the coroner checks the cock for evidence of recent use.
 
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True. A reliable source told me that Muhammad Ali & Mike Tyson are expected to be in attendance.

can Tyson get into Canada with his criminal record(rape,DWI's.cocaine possession?
maybe if he was entering Canada to box,the promoters would secure a waiver since he would be "on business",
but I would think they would turn him away at the border/airport.

I think some of Gatti's contemporaries will be at the funeral,probably Mickey Ward.
 

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can Tyson get into Canada with his criminal record(rape,DWI's.cocaine possession?
maybe if he was entering Canada to box,the promoters would secure a waiver since he would be "on business",
but I would think they would turn him away at the border/airport.

I think some of Gatti's contemporaries will be at the funeral,probably Mickey Ward.

I think that the good Doctor was joking as I highly doubt that Ali with his ailing health would be there but I would not be surprised to see Tyson who said in the past that he admired boxing warriors which Gatti was.
 

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I wonder if Dave Hilton will be in attendance. He used to be married to Gatti's sister.

If Hilton goes anywhere near that funeral they'll be probably holding his next week. :cool:
 
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told ya Tyson cant cross the border, but he did send a letter.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2009-07-20-1108549829_x.htm

"We never knew he would be such a great fighter. I was always happy to see his success, to see him walk in the gym a boy and become a great man," said a letter from former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson. The letter was sent to Gatti's family and read by family friend Mario Costa during the funeral service.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Mourners+farewell+Arturo+Gatti/1807355/story.html
 
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another guy who couldnt cross the border
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/gossip/pagesix/no_canada_for_zito_181052.htm

CHUCK Zito is ready to flatten Canada. The tough- talking Hell's Angel hopped in his Chrysler 300C and headed for Montreal to attend Monday's funeral of his pal, boxer Arturo Gatti, but never made it. "After driving six hours, I got to the border and they searched my car for 2½ hours, then denied me entry," Zito fumed to Page Six. The guards told the "OZ" actor his six-year prison stint for drug conspiracy in the '80s, as well as old assault and gun raps, made him unwelcome. "They said, 'Sign here and you are never allowed in Canada ever again.' I guess I'm not moving there," said Zito, who famously beat up Jean-Claude Van Damme for dissing him at Scores. He's helping organize a memorial for Gatti, who was found strangled, next Thursday at 7 p.m. at St. John the Baptist Church in Jersey City. "It's gonna be bigger than the one in Canada -- twice as big," Zito promised. "I invite all of Arturo's fans to come."
 

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Don King

When i mentionned that i had heard Ali & Tyson would be coming up to Canada for the funeral, i was kidding. I thought everyone had got the joke. I doubt Ali even knew who he was. :rolleyes:

p.s. Did Don King attend the funeral? If not, i wonder if his criminal past might not have also prevented him from entering Canada.

Don King has been in Canada. Various waiver programs and procedures have been followed in his situation.
 

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Brazillian police rule Gatti's death to be a suicide and his wife has been released.

Unbelievable.:eek:
 

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Moment of Lost Dreams

A high school classmate / teammate had a similar momemt of lost dreams when his wife asked him for a divorce. Got drunk and...........

Have to realize how fragile people and life may be.
 
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not sure if Mickey Rourke would have any trouble crossing the border in a moments notice,
if he had wanted to attend the funeral.
he did have a 2007 DUI arrest in Florida but it was dismissed after he pleaded
guilty to reckless driving.
in '94,he was arrested for beating up Carrie Otis but those charges were also dropped.
in his youth,im sure he has some kind of rap sheet.
its rumored, he was a male prostitute in miami.

here is the memorial service that Chuck Zito was talking about.
with a couple of video interviews

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/mourners_in_arturo_gattis_memo.html
 

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Mark Leduc, Canadian Boxer

I was reading that Mark Leduc fell asleep in a sauna and died of heat stroke, based on an autopsy that showed damage to his internal organs. I have never heard of anyone dying after falling asleep in a sauna. I wonder how long it takes, from when you fall asleep, to when you die, at normal sauna temperature. I have gone into the sauna at the Omni a few times by myself and if I had fallen asleep, I would have eventually been found dead.

http://www.canada.com/news/national/Olympic+boxer+Mark+Leduc+dies/1825929/story.html
 
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Heat Stroke

I was reading that Mark Leduc fell asleep in a sauna and died of heat stroke, based on an autopsy that showed damage to his internal organs. I have never heard of anyone dying after falling asleep in a sauna. I wonder how long it takes, from when you fall asleep, to when you die, at normal sauna temperature. I have gone into the sauna at the Omni a few times by myself and if I had fallen asleep, I would have eventually been found dead.

http://www.canada.com/news/national/Olympic+boxer+Mark+Leduc+dies/1825929/story.html

EB,

You raise a valid question that does not have a definite answer.

Before going further a distinction has to be made between a person falling asleep and passing-out in the sauna. If the person is alone in the sauna then it is never 100% clear whether they fell asleep or passed-out. During a football practise a player collapsing leaves no doubt.

Basically levels of dehydration have to be balanced against existing or unknown medical conditions. the persons age, overall physical condition, other contributing factors - alcohol, recreational drugs, etc. Every year you have young athletes dying during summer practice sessions under comparable circumstances, NFL players, especially linemen, in training camp have to be closely monitored.

Depending on the extent of the autopsy the actual causes may never be specified BUT usually a major contributing factor is a heart condition that was previously unknown. This is especially true for young athletes - late teens where the heart is not fully mature.

If you are using a sauna make sure there is some level of supervision or other people are present.
 

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Eastender,

Note that the autopsy on Leduc's corpse found that he died of heatstroke which damaged his internal organs (presumably multiple organ failure as killed Korey Stringer of the Vikings when he died of heatstroke). There was no evidence that his death was caused by a cardiac event according to this report. Although it is possible that a cardiac event may have precipitated the loss of consciousness, usually the coroner will note any evidence of coronary disease in his report. I say this from the experience of having taken depositions of coroners in motor vehicle accident cases involving the issue of whether a fatality was caused by traumatic injuries sustained in the accident, or an event which precipitated loss of consciousness based on witnesses who reported the driver slumped over the wheel prior to the MVA. In one case we had a solid conclusion that the driver had a fatal cardiac arrest that caused his unconciousness and the ensuing accident. In such a situation, there is no negligence because the law provides a defense where there is a "sudden and unanticipated' medical emergency. In another case the 77 year old man who was killed was observed driving a vehicle that appeared "driverless" but no witnesses could say whether he was unconscious and slumped over the wheel. The coroner concluded, on questioning in a deposition, that while the man may have been unconscious due to a coronary event, his death was due to traumatic injuries of impact when his chest was impaled by the steering wheel, crushing his ribs and causing a significant blood loss into the peritoneal cavity. Thus, because the man's heart was still beating steadily on impact, his Estate was required to pay (through his motor vehicle insurance) the damages sustained by the lady whose car he hit.

In Leduc's case, we do not know if he fell asleep or had a cardiac event that rendered him unconscious but it's likely the coroner would have noted the latter in his report. We can speculate that if no such event occurred, Leduc probably had a vigorous workout, went into the sauna alone and then conked out from fatigue. I echo your advice to never go into a sauna alone, something I have done regularly at the Omni and will not do again.
 
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In Leduc's case, we do not know if he fell asleep or had a cardiac event that rendered him unconscious but it's likely the coroner would have noted the latter in his report. We can speculate that if no such event occurred, Leduc probably had a vigorous workout, went into the sauna alone and then conked out from fatigue. I echo your advice to never go into a sauna alone, something I have done regularly at the Omni and will not do again.

EB,

As long as the readers become aware of the many contributing factors and govern themselves accordingly then taking a sauna will be a safer experience.
 
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Gatti

I just heard a report on ESPN that gave more details on the Gatti suicide. It is reported that Gatti hung himself from a wooden staircase railing beam, and that at some point while hanging the body fell to the floor, presumably then causing the head injury. Death was by strangulation and asphyxiation from hanging.

Gatti's wife told Brazilian police that she and Gatti fought earlier in the evening, and that the fight had gotten physical. She then told Gatti she was going to leave him. Gatti then hanged himself in anguish.

Bottom line, 4 famous boxers dead in a month-

Alexis Arguello - Suicide
Arturo Gatti - Suicide
Vernon Forrest - Homicide
Mark Leduc - Accidental Death By Heatstroke in Sauna
 
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