Rising Prices and Where's the Competition?

[donbusch]

I decided to continue this topic in the lounge since it was clearly offbase in the original thread:

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1526&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by didi
Your thoughts are so clear! I know this is not the right thread (my apologies to everybody) but as we are on the subject of prices and quality of the Mtl market, I would love to hear your thoughts about Allison Angels of Toronto (http://www.allisonsangels.com/) who are planning a road trip to Mtl (see the advertising section of MERB). Does this say something about the changing prices of the Mtl market? BTW, they require an advanced payment at time of booking:

" we require confirmed booking details together with Canadian funds transfered in advance to the Angels bank account by Monday October 13... "

didi,

Thank you for the compliment but compared to many of the posters here especially the locals who have the homeground advantage, I`m far from experienced.

I`m also unfamiliar with the Toronto SPs given that Montreal is so much closer to Beantown and cheaper too. However, one way to look at the disparity of the two markets is by comparing the number of Montrealers visiting Toronto just to hobby versus the number of hobbyists Montreal gets from Toronto. Personally, I have never heard of anyone from Montreal travelling to Toronto just to hobby whereas I`m sure quite a few Montreal fans are from Toronto.

Allison Angels` roadtrip appears to be specifically targeted at the Toronto hobbyists who are visiting Montreal since it is unlikely that anyone from the States let alone a Montrealer would wish to pay a deposit to see a Toronto SP in Montreal. As to whether this would work is unclear since this roadtrip is still in its planning phase.

But the fact that roadtrip is even being contemplated might say something about the rising level of prices in Montreal. Would this roadtrip have been possible two years ago?

I had always thought that if competition was going to come from Toronto, it would be from the agencies with East European escorts. Could the hobbyists who are more familiar with Toronto offer more insights into this?

 

[E B Samaritano]

A voice from the past...

a lot of good but seriously miguided comments on this thread. The locals in Montreal can't sustain an erection let alone a 300 per hour HDH market. Actually a lot of these comments are sheer stupidity in my mind, especially any notion that the "market" price escorts are worth any consideration. I got news for you guys..yes it would be news for knuckleheads but not news to anybody who understood what I said many months ago...the market priced 140 hour crowd in Monteal is pitiful...yes..this just in ...it is pitiful.

EBS

 

[Happydan]

Re: A voice from the past...

Originally posted by E B Samaritano
a lot of good but seriously miguided comments on this thread. The locals in Montreal can't sustain an erection let alone a 300 per hour HDH market. Actually a lot of these comments are sheer stupidity in my mind, especially any notion that the "market" price escorts are worth any consideration. I got news for you guys..yes it would be news for knuckleheads but not news to anybody who understood what I said many months ago...the market priced 140 hour crowd in Monteal is pitiful...yes..this just in ...it is pitiful.

EBS

And I thought you were gone forever!

Happy to have you back

One of your favorite knuckleheads is happy that you don't like our 140 girls otherwise they would also end up at $450.

More fun for us and keep your promis to stay away from them .

 

[E B Samaritano]

Stripperlover,

I consider the source and laugh. You're short of both credibility and money in this situation little man. You want to converse with me, go ahead, but what you need to do is demonstrate a knowledge of your own backyard before you come casting aspersions. You see, I can and do visit your backyard, yet I have yet to see you in mine. I find your retort laughable on its foundation.

EBS

 

[Robin]

When a lower priced economy like the Montreal escort business opens itself to a higher priced one like the US, (through US customers and Canadian escorts crossing borders), it is no secret that the Canadian customer would suffer from higher prices and the US customer would benefit from lower prices. The consolation is that Canadian producers (agencies as well as other industries) benefit at the expense of their US counterparts. To all Montreal hobbyists, I'm sorry I am enjoying lower escort prices and higher quality at your expense - I hope that you are compensated to some degree by increased jobs and higher salaries from other Canadian businesses that benefit from US outsourcing.

 

[maxxwell]

Originally posted by oliver kloseoff
guys
many americans with money come here and regularly use our girls apparently its a bargin even without the exchange.


For some of us south of the border the appeal isn't necessarily financial. I can't speak for others, and my "hobbying" experience is much more limited than most here, but the cultural and legal differences are what compel me to go to Canada in general, and Montreal specifically. My understanding of Canadian law is that if I book and see an outcall escort, I am not breaking Canadian law, regardless of whether consensual sex follows. This is pretty important to me. If that occurs in the States, I am breaking the law, even if cute little lies are created to cover it up. (Like I'm only paying for her time and companionship and the sex, should it occur, is purely consensual and coincidental.) Even if the odds of getting busted in my hometown are remote, I don't want to take the chance. I'm not sure of what the consequences would be, but, I don't want to find out nor do I think its worth the risk.

Also, for those traveling in, the cost of seeing girls in Montreal can't be expressed simply by the cost of the girls time, there are travel expenses involved too. Of course, the same is true of Canadians that travel a fair distance, but not of the locals. If I spend $400 US in flight and hotel for a weekend in Montreal and see two girls, its like adding $200 US to each date. Of course, one gets to enjoy a weekend in a fabulous city as well, but its a cost of enjoying the girls that probably wouldn't have been experienced if not for the hobby.

I have no idea of what it would cost me to see an sp in my hometown, but I assume it can be done for roughly the same price without the travel costs, or certainly for what the true cost of going to Montreal would be. But I have piece of mind going to Montreal, a weekend away and likely a better experience than I might get in the States.

 

[Happydan]

Originally posted by Train
Could someone please tell me who has raised their prices in the last year other than someone going from a low cost agency to being an indie ? Which agency has raised prices ? Is it Asservissant ? Which other ones ? What indy , who was an Indy a year ago , has raised prices ?

Please help me out here because I`m missing the point here .

Train, It`s simple.

About 2 years ago a lady from Austrailia arrived in Montreal her name was EMMA. She started to work for Alissa got her name known and then went indie. Then there was basically only 3 good HDH agencies ie Alissa and FKS and Emma`s. Alissa had about 5 girls and fks were only two and Emma had 3, that`s a total of about 10 well known and respected HDHs (GFE) total.

Yes, there were others, but bassically that was it.

Then came montreal girlfriends which start with 3 to 4 girls which developed to companions with about 12-15 girls. Fks started with 2 and now has what 25 girls in association?

Now this year all of a sudden, others started to come in (ex platinum) and many more indies that charge the same rate: minimum $450/2hr minimum as you can see some of them at www.montrealescorts.com/home.htm. These are the ones that are let`s say dubious.

All these high end agencies aka associations/societies did not exist 2 years ago (at least not publically). Put this together with many medium range agencies closing, Heartbreakers, sweetdreams (almost) and even LFMJ (at least you got the GFE service if you were unlucky in the looks department) and many others.

We are all asumming, since no one has really filled in this spot that the good midrange have all gone to the HDH price range, and all that`s left is the SWs that work for the low end agencies and Asservessante which thay also seem to be having problems keeping his girls at the 140$ range and are thinking of raising prices.

P.S. my dates and maybe some agencies may have been left out but thats the jist of it.

Hope this clears things up.

 

[Happydan]

Originally posted by ElfGoneBad
I was under the impression that Emma was from Ottawa?

http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/montreal/msgs/posts/7015.html

No she came from Austrailia to montreal a short stint in ottawa. But I believe that she was Canadian to start with.

 

[ManAboutTown]

Groups like FKS basically teach the girls to charge higher prices. For the girls, it is a good thing, both as a ``dollars per date`` and as an ego boost. The easiest way for a girl to measure herself against others in the business in the number of dollars she makes per visit.

However, this only works in the long run if there are more dollars in the business total. Most people won`t shell out significantly more dollars for the same level of service they got before for less.

Beyond that, I also get a feeling (no hard proof right now) that as these girls move up the pricing ladder, the level of permissible acitivty goes down - DFK, , etc all drop off as they girls get ``more educated`` by others in the group. So now you are paying more and getting less.

There has been a marked increase in the number of girls trying to do the higher dollar thing, and sadly I see it as a long term trend - more money, less work.

Oh Well!

MATt

 

[maxxwell]

It seems that this is truly an unfettered market economy situation. Apparently the decision is being made that, on balance, fewer dates at a higher price is better than the opposite. However, one would expect that if the market gets "flooded" with too many higher-priced girls, adjustments will be made. It would first affect those who are not getting enough dates and then filter up a bit. Of course, if there has been a "Norma Rae" empowerment movement where girls are feeling freeer to escort on their own terms, then that could be a factor as well.

Its also possible, maybe even probable, that as the reputation of Montreal has spread the demand has increased making it feasible for more girls to price themselves in the high end. I wonder if they would use the Montreal escort scene as a case study in a MBA course?

 

[Happydan]

Originally posted by Train



The real problem as you have identified is the diminishing choice in the low and medium price range . Perhaps the reason why no one has stepped into the gap left by Heartbreakers and LFMJ is heat from police or that the occasional rumours that you hear of Mtl organized crime controlling this segment are true .

I think the real problem is the internet, as more and more people have access to it, and you must admit that all the young people have easy access weather at school or at least one friend`s place, it`s makes it that much easier for the young SP to place herself in the higher end agencies at the beginning.

Over the years (20 years or so) the lower priced ``gems`` I have had would probably astound any out of towner.

If you want to campare. I`ll just look at what LFMJ had to offer (to me at least) a few years ago. I would state that his ``stable of ladies`` compared easily to what companions are now offering and at that continuously changing every few months. I was just amazing!