Please stop LMFAO. IM GONNA SOIL MYSELF
Thank you gorllll !! It has to be said ❤️Hi all. I hope you’re well!
I want to start off by saying that I’m not in the business of ousting people or tarnishing reputations, however this matter is of great importance since it affects my business.
Lately, I have been hearing horror stories through word of mouth that some SPs are allowing BBFS on the DL (oftentimes at some MPs / some agencies) - I don’t have names.
It’s concerning because this is risky business we are all partaking in, in the first place. As much as we all love BBBJ, it’s risky. BBFS should be off the table … or whatever surface lol.
I am aware that merb users send / receive messages amongst one another talking about this specifically and warn others to avoid X SP.
However, there are some users who actually encourage others to go see X SP at whatever place that offer BBFS on the DL.
Us Indys / other SPs who don’t agree with these malpractices actually care about our wellbeing and give a shit. These are serious allegations that are spreading, and the whole community needs to be aware and safe. Again, I don’t have names but I know many places turn the other cheek and go on about their business.
When learning about this information… feelings of concern, infuriation and insult arise. It’s insulting because I take great care of myself and want to minimize risks - while some careless SP out there may end up spreading shit onto clients which in turn can get back to me or other SPs.
A vicious cycle commences. Then no one knows where it comes from. Then everyone starts blaming / tearing the other’s reputation. It might seem stupid but this shit can go very far.
If you’re an SP who allows BBFS : you should leave the industry immediately. This industry is already over-saturated with women who don’t even like being an SP and offer a subpar service. If you need to lower your standards to get more clientele or get more money by practicing this type of unsafe sex, you need to GTFO and leave it to the professionals. Some of you are mothers also…
On the flip side, if you’re a client who engages in this type of malpractice : please reconsider and also get checked. Frequently. I’ve seen astounding shit in my 2 years ONLY of being an SP, such as; requests from married men with a child on the way whom ask for BBFS) … please go get your dick, balls and head checked.
Unless you’re fully panel tested at 450 bucks a pop and get results in under 24Hrs and (you / all parties involved) don’t engage with others before finding out your results… please understand that our health is primordial. Yours too. Your wife’s health as well lol.
The most common symptom of having an STD is no symptom at all. Some STDs take months to appear / someone can be a carrier of an STD.
Being “cLeAn” is taking a shower and not smelling from your orifices. It doesn’t equate to testing negative or taking a guess that someone is in the clear.
Please be aware
Please get tested
and please for the love of Christ, don’t condone or encourage unsafe penetration.
Take care
and Merry Christmas ya filthy animals
- Valentina xx
You obviously have to hold everyone accountable, that's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that I see a lot of potential for certain clients to push SPs in really vulnerable positions to offer BBFs. You might not be this client, but I know such people exist. I think a lot of people in this forum forget that some people start doing sex work out of desperation and as a last resort, and often when SPs enter the industry they may not know what they're doing and be so young and naive that they get manipulated into situations like this, and they might have a good support system to show them the ropes.
I think just the fact that so many clients ask for BBFs is very strange, they don't care about their own health, or lack sexual education. And like I said, the more SP's in general or specific SP's seem to be vulnerable, the more they are likely to get asked. It makes sense to me that with the economic crisis more SP's who are less privileged than I am are offering BBFs even if I really don't approve of it, or allowed themselves to be coerced into it. You'd be surprised how many times I had clients, some I had previously, ask me for BBFs and say "it's not risky". One of them was a nurse, which is quite shocking frankly. Obviously I stopped seeing them after they asked.
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Some of the comments I’m seeing on this thread, downplaying how concerning (and seemingly widespread) this issue has become, are just wild AF.
I recall a time where everyone on MERB were at least publicly against this type of behavior, despite what they may practice privately. But to see members outwardly tolerant now, somewhat defending it with comments along the lines of it being no more dangerous than BBBJ and DATY, makes me very skeptical about the state of the hobby. Though, I do believe OnlyFans does play a role in the recent blurring of differences between the two lines of business.
Nonetheless, there’s a reason why agencies are quick to fire a girl if they find out, and why it’s one of the most prohibited and policed topics on these boards.
Gee willickers, Batman.
I recall a time where everyone on MERB were at least publicly against this type of behavior, despite what they may practice privately. But to see members outwardly tolerant now, somewhat defending it with comments along the lines of it being no more dangerous than BBBJ and DATY, makes me very skeptical about the state of the hobby. Though, I do believe OnlyFans does play a role in the recent blurring of differences between the two lines of business.
Nonetheless, there’s a reason why agencies are quick to fire a girl if they find out, and why it’s one of the most prohibited and policed topics on these boards.
Gee willickers, Batman.
Ah, another veiled attempt from an indy to shit on agencies/MPs
Ah yes. Yet another literal veiled attempt from an anonymous member on a review board (who doesn’t pay to be here) that automatically assumes and shits on Indys
… let me reiterate:
In layman’s terms: “Some”. Including but NOT limited to ONLY agencies/ MPs
= all SPs including Indys. Indys who once were working in agencies/ MPs. The SPs who partake in this malpractice will know exactly who they are when they read this thread
clients too.Do with this information as you will but please don’t start with me. This isn’t about picking sides or a smear campaign.
Since I’m feeling a little bit giving this season, filled with Christmas spirit (and candy canes up my ass)... I’ll let you in on further intel... The inspiration behind this very thread I posted is based off of the following:
A very trusted regular of mine was offered
BBFS by 2 INDYS + 1 SP at a MP
He showed me all exchanges in person also^^^
“Some. Including but NOT limited to ONLY agencies/ MPs”
This very trusted regular of mine (who I will not name, obviously) is in contact with other users on this platform (who I will not name, obviously) who’ve confirmed this happening to them as well. Please note: I wouldn’t start a thread if I didn’t have this info. Proof is very much alive and circulating amongst users privately. As I said in my 1st post, I’m not in the business of tarnishing people’s reputations. However, this is a matter that needs to be addressed.
So please… @envelopes
Stop trying to stir the pot and derive the situation at hand. The pot has already been pretty damn stirred as it is. Your statement makes it seem as though you’re playing favourites and demonstrates a lack of understanding / seriousness towards the situation.
I am not against agencies/ MPs who respect girls and are helping them excel SAFELY in this industry.
- 4:00am Valentina lol
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I'm an indy and I would never allow BBFs and hate that this practice even exists, but Valentina is right. I've heard of individual SP's offering BBFs at certain MPs for example. Those are rumors, and it isn't common practice at these establishments..
But my point isn't to say that BBFs aren't dangerous. They ARE, and yes they are more risky than daty and bbbj, just don't ask for it or say yes to it! I've seen a thread here before started by a user who accepted BBFs from someone who offered it at a MP, why did he say yes?? I consider it's my responsibility to say no to something like this, but clients have to stop asking for it or viewing it as the holy grail of what they can get from a SP. Even as a joke someone said ''if SP's were ghosts, they could charge more because they could offer BBFs'' lol.. That's the first thing that came to their mind.
I'm not against agencies and MPs and honestly even employers and other workers have no way to determine if someone is offering BBFs unless the person literally told them.
But my point isn't to say that BBFs aren't dangerous. They ARE, and yes they are more risky than daty and bbbj, just don't ask for it or say yes to it! I've seen a thread here before started by a user who accepted BBFs from someone who offered it at a MP, why did he say yes?? I consider it's my responsibility to say no to something like this, but clients have to stop asking for it or viewing it as the holy grail of what they can get from a SP. Even as a joke someone said ''if SP's were ghosts, they could charge more because they could offer BBFs'' lol.. That's the first thing that came to their mind.
I'm not against agencies and MPs and honestly even employers and other workers have no way to determine if someone is offering BBFs unless the person literally told them.
@Lunaseraphim ♥️
I got another message from a MERB user this morning in response to this thread saying he knows X, Y, Z SP who offer BBFS currently. Be it Indy, agency or MP.
So. Yeah. People get their panties up in a bunch with me but I’m used to being hated for speaking hard truths so whatevs.
I got another message from a MERB user this morning in response to this thread saying he knows X, Y, Z SP who offer BBFS currently. Be it Indy, agency or MP.
So. Yeah. People get their panties up in a bunch with me but I’m used to being hated for speaking hard truths so whatevs.
I think it's wise not to listen to rumors specifically from other members of this forum but it's fair to say that there are probably people who offer it and it's always been the case.@Lunaseraphim ♥️
I got another message from a MERB user this morning in response to this thread saying he knows X, Y, Z SP who offer BBFS currently. Be it Indy, agency or MP.
So. Yeah. People get their panties up in a bunch with me but I’m used to being hated for speaking hard truths so whatevs.
I’m the first to not believe rumours without receipts or take sides. I usually don’t ever take sides. I’ve had catty women gang up on me within their groups and have information deformed / spread rumours online to ruin my brand. So… been there done that
However, this is everyone’s sides and holes that I worry about (even the ayholes - pun intended). Because X asshole juices will circulate onto the next assholes’ juices. And it’s risky business in the first place.
So. whether rumours are or aren’t true - this should serve as a reminder to be aware, be safe and get regularly tested.
If people wanna be reckless on their own terms. Fuckin gr8!!! Have a blast and go eat tide pods or parkour between rooftops for all I care. I’ll even film it for you if you want.
But I’m not reckless when it comes to my health.
It’s not like you get two lives and “press X to respawn”. Quite frankly, I really don’t get why people love testing their limits / circulate / impose their BBFS onto others afterwards. It’s common decency and respect for the community.
Health is wealth.
Even for this Ho3-Ho3-Ho3
WTF are you for real.
She has every right to tell people to be careful and to be safe it affects us all.
Yes we all understand the risks at least most of us do, I don’t exactly want to be taking antibiotics if I don’t have to and certainly don’t want to be at risk of getting HIV.
Condoms work yes but not for everything and yes there will always be risks, so what ever you can do to mitigate those risks is of benefit to both SP and their clients.
There are way to many stupid, reckless and uninformed people out there.
I'm always shocked at the lack of sexual education a lot of people have honestly and people do need a reminder.. I get tested every 3 weeks or every month at least but I wonder if the self proclaimed hobbyist here do the same.I’m the first to not believe rumours without receipts or take sides. I usually don’t ever take sides. I’ve had catty women gang up on me within their groups and have information deformed / spread rumours online to ruin my brand. So… been there done that
However, this is everyone’s sides and holes that I worry about (even the ayholes - pun intended). Because X asshole juices will circulate onto the next assholes’ juices. And it’s risky business in the first place.
So. whether rumours are or aren’t true - this should serve as a reminder to be aware, be safe and get regularly tested.
If people wanna be reckless on their own terms. Fuckin gr8!!! Have a blast and go eat tide pods or parkour between rooftops for all I care. I’ll even film it for you if you want.
But I’m not reckless when it comes to my health.
It’s not like you get two lives and “press X to respawn”. Quite frankly, I really don’t get why people love testing their limits / circulate / impose their BBFS onto others afterwards. It’s common decency and respect for the community.
Health is wealth.
Even for this Ho3-Ho3-Ho3
I do think there are people who enjoy stirring the pot by starting rumors and when i first joined this forum I had a bunch of men message me to gossip and this or that person and I had to shut them down. So yea, I wouldn't believe rumors without receipts, but at the same time I think ppl need a reality check.
It's not just bbfs.
I offer bbbj and daty and cim as part of my gfe service but I know these services are risky even if they are not as dangerous, and i wouldnt be offering these if I wasn't an indy personally but that's just me. I have the privilege to be able to see a limited number of clients every week and not have to see 5 guys in a row, but I also know I wouldn't get as many bookings if I didn't offer these services, or I'd have to charge very low. A lot of clients seem to think they can get these services from a ton of different sps and never get anything, never get tested etc. As I mentioned in another thread the client creates demands and they should calculate risks and get tested the same way we do.
A lot of guys have told me when they inquired for bbfs that they thought only gay men could get them and other horrible & ignorant shit like this. I've had a guy offer to show me his clean sti test, which technically doesn't protect me and surely doesn't protect him. Why risk so much just so you can shoot your load. I don't get it.
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I am all for anything that keeps all of us safer and certainly anyone that doesn’t use it for FS is risking not only himself but everyone else also, but there will always be risks and all the testing in the world is not going to eliminate it.
Yes you should get tested but you need to remember that every STI has a different incubation period so you may be testing at the wrong time and the moment you have sex again your test is outdated and then there is the fact that most don’t get tested for every possible STI just the most likely ones.
The only 100% sure thing is not to have sex lol.
Imagine telling this to your teen or young adult kid when giving them the Birds and the Bees talk lmaoooo
“Go on lil Timmy just go out there and fuck everyone raw, the world is your oyster”
Just to clarify my earlier comments, I was NOT trying to defend SP's who offer BBFs or normalize it, because this practice should be banned forever and it's an abomination. I'm just saying that I'm on the SP's side and I know it could happen that a SP who is struggling to find clients is one client away from being evicted from home or not being able to feed her kids, and it could lead to a situation where she accepts something like this.
Not everyone who is a SP is in the same situation, some of us do make a lot of money, some are in survival mode. I've heard of people posting ads and not knowing what they were getting into because they were in a horrible situation. Maybe put yourselves in the shoes of someone who doesn't have the financial privilege you have. To me it's predatory to seek a SP like this and ask for BBFs or push boundaries otherwise.
I'm lucky that I've lived in the same home for a long time, that I'm financially stable and don't have kids and that I have other sources of income even if they are not huge ones. That isn't the case for everyone, and a lot of ''hobbyists'' here are looking for people who charge the lowest to get the most. It wouldn't be surprising to me if some of these clients are the same who ask for bbfs, but who knows.
Do I think SP's and establishments who regularly offer BBFs should be kept accountable? ABSOLUTELY.
Not everyone who is a SP is in the same situation, some of us do make a lot of money, some are in survival mode. I've heard of people posting ads and not knowing what they were getting into because they were in a horrible situation. Maybe put yourselves in the shoes of someone who doesn't have the financial privilege you have. To me it's predatory to seek a SP like this and ask for BBFs or push boundaries otherwise.
I'm lucky that I've lived in the same home for a long time, that I'm financially stable and don't have kids and that I have other sources of income even if they are not huge ones. That isn't the case for everyone, and a lot of ''hobbyists'' here are looking for people who charge the lowest to get the most. It wouldn't be surprising to me if some of these clients are the same who ask for bbfs, but who knows.
Do I think SP's and establishments who regularly offer BBFs should be kept accountable? ABSOLUTELY.
No joke when I say this:
I’ve seen a merb client say this to one of my colleagues from merb :
“Fantastic, you do GREEK! That means no condom I can’t get you pregnant”
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I’ve seen a merb client say this to one of my colleagues from merb :
“Fantastic, you do GREEK! That means no condom I can’t get you pregnant”
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No they should get tested and talk to a doctor and get it from someone who is trained and knowledgeable.
I talked to mine about it and she was totally professional and had no issues answering or writing out the blood and urine test requirements and also that how testing works and about incubation periods etc… .
I have this habit about seeing professionals that know what they are doing if you know what I mean lol.
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