Stupid Question for Newbie Here...

[ming369]

I understand girls need their privacy and they don't show their faces. But what happens when you do meet the lady and she's just not doable for whatever reason?

Is the client still expected to pay the full booking price or is there some fairer handling/middle ground for this kind of situation? I'm talking about when you meet the girl and you just instantly know this is not going to work - before anything starts.

I was told by some agencies to just give a tip and some girls are OK with it; while others get offended with the tip offered and demand full payment.

I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster... smh...

I just want to be a better client and avoid awkward situations but things are just not going right today.

 

[CaptRenault]

...what happens when you do meet the lady and she's just not doable for whatever reason?

Is the client still expected to pay the full booking price or is there some fairer handling/middle ground for this kind of situation? I'm talking about when you meet the girl and you just instantly know this is not going to work - before anything starts...

..I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster... smh...

You are really getting off on the wrong foot. As a newbie, you should not be asking questions like this to an agency and on MERB. I am not surprised that an agency blacklisted you.

To answer your question, yes, you can refuse a girl if you really feel that you are not at all attracted to her. Normally you would give her $20+ (probably more these days), apologize and send her on her way. But don't expect her agency to welcome your calls in the future. Though there are no set rules, normally only established clients are allowed to do this.

If you have an instant negative reaction to a girl, then that shows that you probably did not do a good job researching. You should probably go through with the session, enjoy it as best you can and do a better job choosing the next girl.

In all my years meeting girls in Montreal, I have never refused a girl (nor have I been refused as a client). I have had a few sessions and met a few girls who were not that great, but that goes with the territory. You can't expect perfection on every date.

You need to recalibrate your expectations to a more realistic level or get out of the escort game altogether.

 

[liloudallas]

I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster... smh...

I just want to be a better client and avoid awkward situations but things are just not going right today.

There is some SP's who have full face pictures either here on Merb, on their websites or on onlyfans. Make your choice among those.

Outcall services with reputable agencies: pay the girl, close your eyes, let her do her thing. You don't canceled an outcall. Reach the booker. Tell him what didn't work for you he will suggest a different choice on the next appointment.

Incall services with reputable agencies: pay the girl, close your eyes, let her do her thing. Leave. You don't canceled an incall. Reach the booker. Tell him what didn't work for you he will suggest a different choice on the next appointment.

MP services: call before going, ask if you can have a line-up. If so, go, make a choice, be happy or leave.

Walk-in MP services: ask if you can have a line-up. If so, go, make a choice, be happy or leave.

Mae agency (and other agencies with bait and switch reputation) : if not fuckable when she opens the door, leave, don't go back. Get a burner if you want to give it another shot.

 

[ming369]

Thanks for the inputs. Looks like I am on the wrong then.

So if this happens again, I'll just pay the full booking fee and tell the lady I got an emergency that just came up and will try meeting next time.

 

[Flyingby]

Thanks for the inputs. Looks like I am on the wrong then.

So if this happens again, I'll just pay the full booking fee and tell the lady I got an emergency that just came up and will try meeting next time.

It’s happened a few times to me
Incall. Girl opens door. I am not attracted.
i do my thing. Close my eyes. Pretend someone else. Pay and leave early. My loss
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

now. If upon entering. You see the girl is stoned out of her mind. Say thanks. Walk out. And text booker. I would not leave a tip in those very specific situations

 

[ming369]

It’s happened a few times to me
Incall. Girl opens door. I am not attracted.
i do my thing. Close my eyes. Pretend someone else. Pay and leave early. My loss
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

now. If upon entering. You see the girl is stoned out of her mind. Say thanks. Walk out. And text booker. I would not leave a tip in those very specific situations

Thanks. I tried going through with the motion many years ago and hated myself for it... I'll take everybody's advice to just take a hit on the wallet and move on.

 

[ming369]

@CaptRenault Thanks for taking the time to put in the comment. I did look up the lady on Merb and TER and she had great reviews. So my expectation needs to adjust or just moved out of this hobby.

@liloudallas Thank you as well. I did look up the indy provider and most of those that did show their face did not interest me and the few that I did like had way too many tattoos which is a turn-off.​

 

[Gazoo64]

It’s never happened to me to not go through with a booking. I try to do my research, and it’s rare that when the girl opens the door, she’s not what I expected. But even in this case, I still went thru with the appointment.

I tend to repeat with my favourites, and the reason is because I know the lady I am seeing (no surprises) and there is usually chemistry.

When seeing a new lady, we need to adjust our expectations because sometimes it’s a great encounter, sometimes not so much. We can’t predict how the chemistry will be between 2 people meeting for the first time. Good luck!

 

[IamNY]

I understand girls need their privacy and they don't show their faces. But what happens when you do meet the lady and she's just not doable for whatever reason?

Is the client still expected to pay the full booking price or is there some fairer handling/middle ground for this kind of situation? I'm talking about when you meet the girl and you just instantly know this is not going to work - before anything starts.

I was told by some agencies to just give a tip and some girls are OK with it; while others get offended with the tip offered and demand full payment.

I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster... smh...

I just want to be a better client and avoid awkward situations but things are just not going right today.

One of the most uncomfortable and toughest scenarios to handle in the hobby. Done poorly, you can have argument on your hands, done really poorly, you get the driver banging on the door. I've had girls show up that I had to cancel with. This is very, very rare and usually has more to do with the girl being too drunk or high. But, if the girl walks in and you know it's not gonna work I would politely give her a tip and cancel the appointment. If for some reason the person demanded full payment I would do so and work it out with the agency later. As far as being blacklisted, what did you expect? Asking those type of questions may be seen as wasting someone's time and your anticipating a bad time from the get go.

 

[2fast2slow]

Not a stupid question at all.

I know i beat this drum a lot, but this is why i have come to prefer massage parlours by a long shot. you can just about always get presentations.

with agencies I cannot stand commiting to seeing an girl while not knowing what she looks like. When the door opens and you are like :"i would not have sex with her for free" it is an awful feeling and awful situation for both parties. Fortunately with the best agencies this does not happen too often, but it still happens.

 

[envelopes]

If we are talking about bait & switch, a lot of merb members still say PAY PAY PAY so I thught that was normal.

I actually asked several SPs what they thought of bait &switch and was told they think it's fair that you were misled so you don't pay and just left. Even no tip some girls have told me.

This has happened to me very rarely in the past. Maybe once in the 5 years I hobbied in Montreal. I just went with it and got a BJ. But it was so bad I just paid her full to leave.

However, in the past year, I got bait and switched at least 5 times. Purposely used the name of a former girl to mislead me and when I got there it was a different girl. I just got up and left. Tried to tell me i still need to pay HA.

There were other times the girl was +50 lbs more than the website... or completely different ethnicity. In those cases I just leave too, no payment.


If we are not talking about B&S, just a simple matter of taste, even though the girl is attractive and not your type, it's 100% on me. I go thru with the session and still usually have a good time since the service is still decent. I usually never have an issue with the well reviewed agencies

 

[CaptRenault]

However, in the past year, I got bait and switched at least 5 times. Purposely used the name of a former girl to mislead me and when I got there it was a different girl. I just got up and left. Tried to tell me i still need to pay HA.

There were other times the girl was +50 lbs more than the website... or completely different ethnicity. In those cases I just leave too, no payment.

Baited and switched 5 times in one year? Which agencies did this to you?

And "other times" when the girl was 50+ lbs more than what the website said or she was a "completely different ethnicity?" Again, which agencies did this?

In 20+ year's of experience with legit, MERB-advertising agencies I have experienced something like that maybe once or twice ever. Either you are using the wrong agencies or wildly exaggerating the extent of your bad luck.

 

[envelopes]

Bait and switched 5 times in one year? Which agencies did this to you?

And "other times" when the girl was 50+ lbs more than what the website said or she was a "ccompletely different ethnicity?" Again, which agencies did this?

In 20+ year's of experience with legit, MERB-advertising agencies I have experienced something like that maybe once or twice ever. Either you are using the wrong agencies or wildly exaggerating the extent of your bad luck.

Calm yourself. I know y'all get really twisted about your precious favorites, but I never said it was agencies in my post. Ever.

With the top merb agencies, it has happened maybe once or twice in 5 years.

 

[CaptRenault]

Calm yourself. I know y'all get really twisted about your precious favorites, but I never said it was agencies in my post. Ever.

With the top merb agencies, it has happened maybe once or twice in 5 years.

In that case, you should be more specific when you make wild accusations like that. It would undoubtedly be possible to have such experiences with lowlife girls who advertise on dubious web sites (like Humpchies etc.) You should have specified that, especially since the original poster asked his question with the implication that he was dealing with legit agencies.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Outcall services with reputable agencies: pay the girl, close your eyes, let her do her thing. You don't canceled an outcall. Reach the booker. Tell him what didn't work for you he will suggest a different choice on the next appointment.

Incall services with reputable agencies: pay the girl, close your eyes, let her do her thing. Leave. You don't canceled an incall. Reach the booker. Tell him what didn't work for you he will suggest a different choice on the next appointment.

The game changed. I understand. But going to a booking when things are clearly not going well is NOT the solution. It used to be outcall you give some driver fee. 20 bucks then, probably 40 now due to inflation. Incall.. you just apologies and leave. But that was back then. Now most agencies are incall, fully book, and it seem its harder to just refuse because the girl were gonna be fully booked anyway. So maybe apply outcall cancellations fees? Now personally in my 13 years of doing this, i never refused BUT i wish i did a few times. Those terrible bookings still remain with me and altough they ain't anywhere close to "horror stories" from the backpage days or annonce123 or whatever. They were not fun. I can count them on one hand... but my god they made me feel bad (wich is the opposite of what we look for).... Obviously it depend on how you value money (and what it represent to you) and other factors, but in this world a good booking is like the best time of your life for me, a bad booking is making me question why i do this... You get my feeling?

Refusing i think must remain an option, for both us the clients and the girls. And i would encourage girls if they have a bad vibe toward a client to never hesitate to cancel as well. It can be not only beneficial to them toward security etc, but also beneficial toward the client (if they don't think they can give him a good service because ... whatever reason)

We may be the clients, but girls need to be at ease too and their services will GREATLY change depending on how they feel with us as a client, a person. If they don't feel us... even if we are nice persons at our core (bad chemistries etc), the service won't work. So if you are a rich dude who can sponge a near 300$ loss like its nothing, great, but we ain't all like that.

I do believe in equal rights between clients and escorts.

 

[liloudallas]

We may be the clients, but girls need to be at ease too and their services will GREATLY change depending on how they feel with us as a client, a person. If they don't feel us... even if we are nice persons at our core (bad chemistries etc), the service won't work. So if you are a rich dude who can sponge a near 300$ loss like its nothing, great, but we ain't all like that.

I do believe in equal rights between clients and escorts.

You have some good points Mike.

I'm no rich guy and I work hard for my money. In my +25 years of hobbying now and then I took a lot of hits with bookings and I learned from my mistakes.

In the days we didn't had pics or reviews to helps us to do a booking. Nowadays we can get a pretty good idea of what we are booking for.

Here is my moto:

I'm the one who made some minimal researchs (pics, reviews, etc).
I'm the one who is calling the agency.
I'm the one who took the decision to book.
I am simply assuming my decisions.

I don't do anymore outcalls cause it's a pain to get an hotel and get "the delivery" at an exact time. It simply don't work for me.

I'm avoiding LL and all the formers ads sites UNLESS I'm willing to take the risk to have a shitty encounter.

I did turned around at the door with MAE cause I had enough of their false pics. I did turned around to a few walk-in MP's. I did turned around to maybe 2-3 AI or annonce123 bookings.

I'm not there to kiss. I'm not there to cuddle or to get some bullshit GFE. I'm there to get my balls empty out, point. As long as the girl is cleaned, thin and sober my cock will be happy. Either with a HJ, BJ or FS. But you know, that's me. And you can get a cleaned, thin and sober girl with any of the reputables agency that are announcing on MERB.

So that's why, in my humble opinion, you go throught an appointment that is booked with a reputable agency or indy's.

But I respect the fact that some of us can be a lot more pickier than me.

Cheers.

 

[Gazoo64]

And you can get a cleaned, thin and sober girl with any of the reputables agency that are announcing on MERB.

So that's why, in my humble opinion, you go throught an appointment that is booked with a reputable agency or indy's.

I agree. If the girl is clean and sober and she’s with a reputable agency, the odds are that it will go relatively well. Sometimes it can be hit and miss, but I’ve always gone through with the appt. I can’t see myself walking away from a booking.

But I tend to repeat a lot because I know who I am meeting and there is some familiarity and chemistry. And to avoid the potential disappointment of a first time meeting.

But I can see the other side, where guys like to try new girls because they might discover a gem that offers great service. It might happen, but maybe not. To each his own!

 

[Jericho_2021]

I understand girls need their privacy and they don't show their faces. But what happens when you do meet the lady and she's just not doable for whatever reason?

Is the client still expected to pay the full booking price or is there some fairer handling/middle ground for this kind of situation? I'm talking about when you meet the girl and you just instantly know this is not going to work - before anything starts.

I was told by some agencies to just give a tip and some girls are OK with it; while others get offended with the tip offered and demand full payment.

I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster... smh...

I just want to be a better client and avoid awkward situations but things are just not going right today.

-When you meet the lady and she's just not doable for whatever reason, you simply politely tell her that you won't be able to make it. As long as the exchange is done in a respectful manner, she will understand. No need to go in details of why you can't make it.
-No, you won't have to pay the full booking if it is an agency (perhaps a small fee. I think it was about $20 few years ago at some agencies). As for the Indies, I do not know (they have their own individual policies for that, I would guess?? I would not know as, up to now, I did not have to take that route with an Indy. Anyways, many Indies show their face and body online, therefore your chances to run into the unexpected are small. ).
-To your comment ""I brought up this question to an agency earlier and got blacklisted because they think I'm a time-waster": yeah, some of them do not like that, indeed.
-To your comment "I just want to be a better client and avoid awkward situations but things are just not going right today" - I guess you should stop worrying about it. That is out of your control. Just pick the lady you feel you want to meet and if it does not work, it does not and since you sound respectful, everything will be fine. The bookers, the ladies, they all expect such situation and do understand that it is part of their life. If a booker or a lady takes offense with something as normal as that, then they are not in the right place.

 

[Anna Bijou]

Going to chime in. It is definitely a red flag to bring this up when you're booking or right before you're supposed to meet. If someone asks this beforehand, I usually cancel any plans we've made and suggest looking for a lady who is face out.


There are plenty so why take the risk of wasting your time, her time and making her feel like shit because you have specific expectations but booking with someone who doesn't show her face for privacy reasons?


Any time someone mentions they're not staying if they don't like your face, your body, your incall space, your whatever else beforehand, 99% an automatic block for me. I'm not interested in playing those games & power trips. I'm also not interested in a time waster who just does it for fun.


There was actually one exception recently when before I had a chance to block him, he realized he had messed up and offered to send half the donation immediately to show he was serious. Thb that's the only way I'd see someone who talks about this before meeting.


If you do show up somewhere and decide not to stay, the courteous way to handle it is to leave a tip, at the very minimum 15-20% (although IMO I feel you should give more) of the fee. If she had to pay for the incall or travel specifically to meet you, then you should definitely cover that cost as well.


She hasn't lied to you, it just turns out you had an expectation. She isn't at fault for fitting the idea in your head of what you would like her to look. You choose to see someone who's face isn't shown, well you either accept that she won't look the way you imagined, and if you can't go through with the appointment, then you're responsible for compensating her.


I'm not really familiar with massage parlors but don't they do line-ups for the client to choose who he wants to spend time with?


My 2 cents

 

[Anna Bijou]

-No, you won't have to pay the full booking if it is an agency (perhaps a small fee. I think it was about $20 few years ago at some agencies).

Unless it's a case of extreme misrepresentation, $20 is really not appropriate. Even if that's an agency's policy, that is not an acceptable amount for wasting someone's time.

That is out of your control. Just pick the lady you feel you want to meet and if it does not work, it does not and since you sound respectful, everything will be fine. The bookers, the ladies, they all expect such situation and do understand that it is part of their life. If a booker or a lady takes offense with something as normal as that, then they are not in the right place.

Actually it is in his control. If this is a serious consideration for him, then he should book with ladies who show their face. Not book with someone he's already planning to reject if she does not exactly meet his personal preference.

I don't think many service providers will agree. I don't know about agencies but I can tell you most independents do not expect or accept this type of situation as a normal part of their lives. And that says nothing about being or not in the right place.