Ted Kennedy dead at 77

[hungry101]

Hello Hungry,

I have enjoyed your posts but this is silly and poor. If enjoying the opposite sex amply makes a connection for you then you also share common ground with many politicians, rock stars, cheating preachers, rutting dear, and dogs in heat, etc...etc...etc. Isn't characterizing T. Kennedy basically as a frivolous sex pig the same sort of ridicule you say you didn't like before. Sorry, but what a bad and insulting tribute to a man who helped and/or saved hundreds of millions of lives.

geeez,

Merlot

Hey Merlot

I am sorrey I pissed you off but I thought my words were charitable. I did not intend to piss you off so I went back to remove my post. I read it over and over again and I called him a Freedom loving red blooded American. I also said his appetite for the opposite sex was "healthy." In all this I compared Ted to someone that I am very fond of. That person would be Me. I am not the public servent that Ted was but I am still a nice guy and I never try to cause anyone any trouble, I pay taxes, and I give back to the community. I also said Rest In Peace and I meant it.

I didn't compare him with a deer in the rut, a dog in heat, or a perverted clergyman etc. You did.

Also, I would like to add that I am serious about the commonality of a middle aged male liking beautiful young woman. There are so many Holier than thou prudes out there. I do not understand these people. Furthermore, there are so many Merbites out there that have a different opinion than I do on so many issues but I know one thing. We all like pretty young ladies and have sessions with these pretty SPs and like to share details. In this we have found common ground. These are ties that bind. I could go out and have a drink with nearly all of you with no hard feelings no matter how much we disagree.

By the way I enjoy reading your posts as well and you are always very fair and never fail to entertain...even your rebuttle to me was a good read.

Rest in Peace uncle Teddy and thank you for your service!

P.S. I agree. Comparing my sex life to that of a Kennedy was silly. Point taken.

 

[Dee]

I strongly suggest Dee and Techman stop taking cheap shots at each other. Keep it civilized and there will be no problems... That's getting to be another My_dingaling nonsense and it's not fun...

Will do.

An interesting footnote to the discussion - out of respect for a mutual mutual friend I had stopped the jabbing 100%... Techman chose to continue, so I restarted.

I weary of it and I'm sure I'm not alone, I feel sorry for him plus I don't want to end up like him and be permanently banned from one of the boards.

Peace.

 

[Mod 11]

Oops! I didn't see this double post! 1 more day off for a total of 3.

 

[Merlot]

Hey Merlot

I am sorrey I pissed you off but I thought my words were charitable. I did not intend to piss you off so I went back to remove my post. I read it over and over again and I called him a Freedom loving red blooded American. I also said his appetite for the opposite sex was "healthy." In all this I compared Ted to someone that I am very fond of. That person would be Me. I am not the public servent that Ted was but I am still a nice guy and I never try to cause anyone any trouble, I pay taxes, and I give back to the community. I also said Rest In Peace and I meant it.

I didn't compare him with a deer in the rut, a dog in heat, or a perverted clergyman etc. You did.

Also, I would like to add that I am serious about the commonality of a middle aged male liking beautiful young woman. There are so many Holier than thou prudes out there. I do not understand these people. Furthermore, there are so many Merbites out there that have a different opinion than I do on so many issues but I know one thing. We all like pretty young ladies and have sessions with these pretty SPs and like to share details. In this we have found common ground. These are ties that bind. I could go out and have a drink with nearly all of you with no hard feelings no matter how much we disagree.

By the way I enjoy reading your posts as well and you are always very fair and never fail to entertain...even your rebuttle to me was a good read.

Rest in Peace uncle Teddy and thank you for your service!

P.S. I agree. Comparing my sex life to that of a Kennedy was silly. Point taken.

Hello Hungry,

No, not "pissed off". Just perplexed. I am not trying to get anyone to like the guy or imply it's wrong to be against his views, or even stop hating him. And, if anyone wants to compare their sex life to anyone else I don't care. But it does seem odd when a person has achieved so many things to help so many millions of people that the point one finds admirable about him is his sexual reputation. It's seems to me like someone is saying Michael Jordan should go to the Hall of Fame because he likes Pepsi.

But Hungry, I like and respect your posts. Sorry if I annoyed you.

Cheers,

merlot

 

[Merlot]

Hi, Merlot, I certainly don't care what his sexual proclivities were. But, I find I need a shower after the man most certainly drove drunk, passed several houses where he could have called for help, and pointedly never called the police, then, incredulously, in his address (watch here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hdhLG0g6A ) acts as if the attacks on him were really dirty attacks on her character.

No, senator, your sex life isn't the issue, and hers certainly wasn't, either.
The fact that his actions (drunk driving) almost certainly led to her death, and the payment to her family (in the wake of which they declined a 2nd, likely more thorough, autopsy) are the issue
You can point out all he did later--and no doubt he was very responsive to his constituents--but does that atone for his conduct at Chappaquidick? Matter of opinion, but I don't think so

Hello Btyger,

Are either of us being genuinely neutral about this tragedy? I am a constituent who voted for him. You begin in post #5 labeling it "murder", then offer a film of him explaining about the episode someone has labeled "Ted Kennedy Chappequiddick Lie".

When you start with calling an accident murder then try to soften that accusation by offering a video labeling everything Kennedy said about the tragedy a lie, you are very obviously not objective. Yes, one could have looked at all the facts thoroughly and honestly conclude he was totally lying. But when you start by calling it murder after you have had many years to disgest the episode, you clearly have a some sort of core bias, grudge, or dissatisfaction that prevents you from ever being truly open about this.

As for myself, I have always thought the idea of "Camelot" or of the Kennedy's being some sort of "American royal family" was a huge pile of merde de chevaux (horse shit). I find the idea of royalty at all one of the grossest conspiratorial concoctions in the history of humanity, and I have no illusions about how the Kennedy's made their money or got to their position in society. And in my opinion T. Kennedy should have been found criminally responsible for failing to notify the police as soon as possible and for trying to cover his political ass. There is no dispute about the character of his behavior after the episode.

But none of that changes the fact that in spite of all the passions and suspicions, and revulsion at T. Kennedy's behavior after the tragedy, that the tragedy was an accident and he was a very great U.S. senator purely going by his record. People on both sides can condemn him or excuse him forever, but those two facts (accident, greatness) are irrefutable. That is what all human beings are, creatures with great faults and great capabilities all in one. That's not just him, it's everyone. He displayed both characteristics in the extreme.

Now let me know who and how many you can point out as just being "great" without great fault?????

Now just for fun, how about a little time frame analysis:

The bridge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVv5Cn7xXbw&feature=related

1. The car crashes through the railing, rolls off the bridge and hits the water in darkness creating shock, panic, disorientation, and injuries...possibly/probably knocking Mary Jo unconscious according to one scientific analysis.

2. Kennedy finds a way to escape the car and get to the surface in darkness, recover from probable shock and/or panic to get to the shore.

3. According to you, he gets into his car and passes several houses.

Question 1: how much time has passed from impact, to the underwater escape, to the time he passed the first house?

Remember, this is not like sitting there holding your breath where most people in a very relaxed state have a limit of about 90 seconds (1 1/2 minutes). And if she was conscious with an air bubble in the car, does a person in probable great distress and panic realize immediately she needs to conserve the air bubble oxygen and has the discipline to slow down and control her breathing in an unnatural horrific situation she has never experienced or probably ever contemplated before, trapped in a car like this below, have the time for a diver or anyone to find the car and get there...then get her out and to the surface. Well.........of course all of Kennedy's arm chair hero critics could have done it.

http://woody.typepad.com/files/ted_kennedys_car_at_chappaquiddick.jpg

Also remember there is a tidal current making locating the car in darkness no easy task for diving professionals...much less Kennedy.

As I said before, the same situation happened here several years ago and three young people drowned in about 25-30 feet of water at night in lighted conditions despite the quick (several minutes) arrival of the police.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[joelcairo]

As for myself, I have always thought the idea of "Camelot" or of the Kennedy's being some sort of "American royal family" was a huge pile of merde de chevaux (horse shit). I find the idea of royalty at all one of the grossest conspiratorial concoctions in the history of humanity, and I have no illusions about how the Kennedy's made their money or got to their position in society. And in my opinion T. Kennedy should have been found criminally responsible for failing to notify the police as soon as possible and for trying to cover his political ass. There is no dispute about the character of his behavior after the episode.

Well said!

 

[daydreamer41]

Hello Btyger,

Are either of us being genuinely neutral about this tragedy? I am a constituent who voted for him. You begin in post #5 labeling it "murder", then offer a film of him explaining about the episode someone has labeled "Ted Kennedy Chappequiddick Lie".

When you start with calling an accident murder then try to soften that accusation by offering a video labeling everything Kennedy said about the tragedy a lie, you are very obviously not objective. Yes, one could have looked at all the facts thoroughly and honestly conclude he was totally lying. But when you start by calling it murder after you have had many years to disgest the episode, you clearly have a some sort of core bias, grudge, or dissatisfaction that prevents you from ever being truly open about this.

As for myself, I have always thought the idea of "Camelot" or of the Kennedy's being some sort of "American royal family" was a huge pile of merde de chevaux (horse shit). I find the idea of royalty at all one of the grossest conspiratorial concoctions in the history of humanity, and I have no illusions about how the Kennedy's made their money or got to their position in society. And in my opinion T. Kennedy should have been found criminally responsible for failing to notify the police as soon as possible and for trying to cover his political ass. There is no dispute about the character of his behavior after the episode.

But none of that changes the fact that in spite of all the passions and suspicions, and revulsion at T. Kennedy's behavior after the tragedy, that the tragedy was an accident and he was a very great U.S. senator purely going by his record. People on both sides can condemn him or excuse him forever, but those two facts (accident, greatness) are irrefutable. That is what all human beings are, creatures with great faults and great capabilities all in one. That's not just him, it's everyone. He displayed both characteristics in the extreme.

Now let me know who and how many you can point out as just being "great" without great fault?????

Now just for fun, how about a little time frame analysis:

The bridge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVv5Cn7xXbw&feature=related

1. The car crashes through the railing, rolls off the bridge and hits the water in darkness creating shock, panic, disorientation, and injuries...possibly/probably knocking Mary Jo unconscious according to one scientific analysis.

2. Kennedy finds a way to escape the car and get to the surface in darkness, recover from probable shock and/or panic to get to the shore.

3. According to you, he gets into his car and passes several houses.

Question 1: how much time has passed from impact, to the underwater escape, to the time he passed the first house?

Remember, this is not like sitting there holding your breath where most people in a very relaxed state have a limit of about 90 seconds (1 1/2 minutes). And if she was conscious with an air bubble in the car, does a person in probable great distress and panic realize immediately she needs to conserve the air bubble oxygen and has the discipline to slow down and control her breathing in an unnatural horrific situation she has never experienced or probably ever contemplated before, trapped in a car like this below, have the time for a diver or anyone to find the car and get there...then get her out and to the surface. Well.........of course all of Kennedy's arm chair hero critics could have done it.

http://woody.typepad.com/files/ted_kennedys_car_at_chappaquiddick.jpg

Also remember there is a tidal current making locating the car in darkness no easy task for diving professionals...much less Kennedy.

As I said before, the same situation happened here several years ago and three young people drowned in about 25-30 feet of water at night in lighted conditions despite the quick (several minutes) arrival of the police.

Cheers,

Merlot

She was not knocked unconscious. The police found dig marks on the inside windows.

Kennedy was guilty of the following:

Leaving the scene of an accident and never reporting it. According to his disposition, he and 2 other men searched for Mary jo, but never called authoriites.

He did make calls that night, but never called police. He never called after he woke next morning at an Inn where he stayed. He assumed the other 2 would tell authoriites, but they assumed he did.

Two fisherman found the upside down car which was exposed from the receding tide. A diver found her body. They estimated that she lived another 2 hours after he left the scene.

He denied he was drunk on National television.

Any juror outside of Massachusetts and with an conscieous would have found him guilty of manslaughter and leaving the scence of an accident. She may have lived if he only told authorities when he reached the Inn.

No, Sen. Kennedy was a self-serving weasal. His actions probably led to this girl's death by not calling for help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

 

[Merlot]

She was not knocked unconscious. The police found dig marks on the inside windows.

Any juror outside of Massachusetts and with an conscieous would have found him guilty of manslaughter and leaving the scence of an accident. She may have lived if he only told authorities when he reached the Inn.

Hello Daydreamer41,

You do know the problems of relying on Wiki as your source don't you.

So you are saying the dig marks couldn't possibly have been from the immediate shock and panic of slamming into the water and being desperate to live. It had to be much later after two hours. So she was calm at first, and only made the digs after a couple of hours. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. You do know your view can only be an opinion since there was no autopsy, which was prevented by the family....according to more than Wiki.

And when you impugn everyone in Massachusetts, in which there are many Republicans who hate the Kennedys, you come off as extremely prejudiced by insisting a manslaughter conviction would be absolute elsewhere. Gee, why then don't those thousands of drunk driving killings where the driver never goes to prison not measure up to manslaughter...unless it's a Kennedy I guess.

Finally, this is an obituary thread. While no one should be white-washed, it's disgusting when every obituary thread has to have posts full of hate. But as long as we have this thread we can rehash Chappaquiddick and change the outcome on the driver...lol.

good luck,

Merlot

 

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