The best or worst coach, GM change ?

[lgna69xxx]

Doc is 100% correct as to the jury being out on Marc B. The Canadians just like the Yankees view nothing short of winning a championship as failure so in that regard, the jury is definately out on Marky and he himself i bet you would say the same thing, on another note Doc knows more about hockey and has connections to those "in the know" within the NHL (insert smuler joke here) than probably anyone in this community.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks bud. I'd like to add that you know as much about hockey & baseball as much as anyone else i know here. You opened my eyes into the fact that many Americans are also quite knowledgeable about hockey. You for one know a lot more than the large majority of habs fans, who are delusional & live in a bubble.

The habs haven't done anything in 22 years & the way habs fans are talking you'd swear they've won the Cup every year for the past 50 years.

p.s. Smith-Pelley is PK's lookalike & why Therrien had him playing the powerplay in their series against Ottawa in order to confuse the opposition. A habs fan told me this and it actually made a lot of sense.

 

[Ballsamic]

Doc is 100% correct as to the jury being out on Marc B. The Canadians just like the Yankees view nothing short of winning a championship as failure so in that regard, the jury is definately out on Marky and he himself i bet you would say the same thing, on another note Doc knows more about hockey and has connections to those "in the know" within the NHL (insert smuler joke here) than probably anyone in this community.

And who is the jury ? Finishing second in the league isn't something one can criticize.

Winning the Stanley Cup is every team's goal. Montreal will win the Stanley Cup under Bergevin. You can bet on it.

In the know.........now I am impressed.

 

[Ballsamic]

Thanks bud. I'd like to add that you know as much about hockey & baseball as much as anyone else i know here. You opened my eyes into the fact that many Americans are also quite knowledgeable about hockey. You for one know a lot more than the large majority of habs fans, who are delusional & live in a bubble.

The habs haven't done anything in 22 years & the way habs fans are talking you'd swear they've won the Cup every year for the past 50 years.

p.s. Smith-Pelley is PK's lookalike & why Therrien had him playing the powerplay in their series against Ottawa in order to confuse the opposition. A habs fan told me this and it actually made a lot of sense.

So, a Hab's fan is your in the know, good to know, thanks

 

[Doc Holliday]

Montreal will win the Stanley Cup under Bergevin. You can bet on it.

See what i meant, Iggy? D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L. :lol:

 

[BookerL]

D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L. :lol:

I do luv sports predictions .

No Cups for the habs under MB tutelage!:thumb:





Cheers




Booker

 

[Doc Holliday]

I do luv sports predictions .

No Cups for the habs under MB tutelage!:thumb:

Don't jump to conclusions. I have no idea if the habs will ever win a Cup under Marc Bergevin. My gut-feeling is that they will not win a Cup for maybe another 50 years. But that's just how i feel about it.

Let's just say that Bergevin hasn't done anything to make me believe that he has what it takes to build a team...any team...into a Cup contender. Ever since he's been there, his teams have got worse offensively. It's basically a one-man team where its success solely depends on its star goaltender's heroics.

Hockey is still a game which requires goal-scoring to win games. You don't score goals, you don't win games. You can do all you can to keep the puck from getting into your own goal, like soccer, but you still have to score goals.

Let's just say that if Carey Price played elsewhere, i doubt Marc Bergevin & Michel Therrien would still have jobs next season.

By the way, let me be the first one to announce anywhere that i'd be extremely surprised if Alex Galchenyuk was still with the habs next season. I have a very strong feeling that Mtl will be shopping him around & i wouldn't be surprised if he wound up in Edmonton for one of their younger star players. Galchenuyk hasn't progressed as much as Bergevin had hoped & he's due for a new contract. I had heard vibes that Nail Yakupov might be dealt to Mtl in order to reunite with Galchenyuk (his junior linemate), but i now believe that Galchenyuk will be the one going to Edmonton instead.

Let me ask a question: If you're Marc Bergevin & Ron Hextall calls you, would you be willing to trade him P.K. Subban if he offers to send Claude Giroux to Montreal? Similar contracts, but both players would fill a great need for each team. Not only would Mtl be gaining a high-scoring #1 center, but they'd finally be able to put the 'C' on a player who currently looks good wearing that 'C' and is a bonafide leader.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Bad

The habs replacing Jacques Martin with Randy Cunneyworth.

The habs likely would have made the playoffs that year had they stuck with Martin. The hiring of Cunneyworth also created a whole lot of unecessary controversy in regards to the language issue. Cunneyworth was fired shortly after the end of the regular season. He lasted a year.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Good

The habs replacing Mario Tremblay with Alain Vigneault.

The inexperienced Tremblay was a disaster during his stint as the habs coach. He had zero coaching experience when the equally inexperienced GM Rejean Houle gave him the job. At least Vigneault had previous coaching experience as a coach in the Q (Trois-Rivieres & Gatineau). Vigneault coached the habs for over 3 reasons before getting fired & replaced by Claude Julien. Vigneault went on to successful coaching stints in Vancouver & currently with the Rangers.

 

[BookerL]

Don't jump to conclusions. I have no idea if the habs will ever win a Cup under Marc Bergevin. My gut-feeling is that they will not win a Cup for maybe another 50 years. But that's just how i feel about it.

Let's just say that Bergevin hasn't done anything to make me believe that he has what it takes to build a team...any team...into a Cup contender.

Hello Doc

It always depends on whats the definition of Cup Contender ?
Making the playoff ,is a start ?

Ever since he's been there, his teams have got worse offensively. It's basically a one-man team where its success solely depends on its star goaltender's heroics.

Hockey is still a game which requires goal-scoring to win games. You don't score goals, you don't win games. You can do all you can to keep the puck from getting into your own goal, like soccer, but you still have to score goals.

Its actually a combination of both ,making the less fatal mistakes helps ,but when you have a great backstopper you do have a advantage



Cheers




Booker

 

[smuler]

Doc knows more about hockey and has connections to those "in the know" within the NHL (insert smuler joke here) than probably anyone in this community.

:thumb:

Best Regards

Smuler

 

[BookerL]

Doc is 100% correct as to the jury being out on Marc B. Doc knows more about hockey and has connections to those "in the know" within the NHL (insert smuler joke here) than probably anyone in this community.

Okkkkkk

:thumb:

Best Regards

Smuler

Seing 50 years in the future is quit a feat

My gut-feeling is that they will not win a Cup for maybe another 50 years. But that's just how i feel about it.

.

All hands for the Doc and is supporters




Cheers




Booker

 

[Merlot]

BOYZZZ!

"...Doc knows more about hockey and has connections to those "in the know" within the NHL...than probably anyone in this community."

Yet, every year both of you think the Leafs will be great.

The habs haven't done anything in 22 years & the way habs fans are talking you'd swear they've won the Cup every year for the past 50 years.

The way Leafs fans think they know more than anyone you'd think their team had seen a finals in 48 years.

Leafs hiring Cliff Fletcher as GM & Pat Burns as coach

These two soon turned the long-time abysmal Leafs into Stanley Cup contenders & it took a controversial Kelly Fraser call in overtime (game 6) vs. LA Kings to prevent a Leafs/Habs Stanley Cup final showdown, which would have been historic.

My point exactly. "Greatness" is not about being ALMOST. When almost is called "historic" then greatness is not part of the vocabulary. If greatness is about what "would have been historic" and that makes you a great coach then one freaky helmet catch (2007) and one dropped ball (2011) with 4 Super Bowl wins would make Belichick the greatest ever.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[lgna69xxx]

Yup, and i have seen that since October 2012 and, you are welcome mon ami.

See what i meant, Iggy? D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L. :lol:

 

[lgna69xxx]

You got that right, Carey deserves to be paid more than Crosby

Let's just say that if Carey Price played elsewhere, i doubt Marc Bergevin & Michel Therrien would still have jobs next season.

 

[smuler]

He did have a great season Iggy , for sure

But compare season v's season against Henrik, and it ain't even close

Henrik's superior. :amen:



Best Regards

Smuler

 

[lgna69xxx]

Agreed but the KING has a much better defensive team in front of him that Price does, by far. Go Rangers!

 

[Doc Holliday]

Agreed but the KING has a much better defensive team in front of him that Price does, by far. Go Rangers!

Quite true. The Rangers have an extremely good team, while the habs minus Price are a crappy team that probably misses the playoffs.

But Smuler makes a very valid point. Personally speaking, i believe that King Henrik is as good if not better than Price. However, the fact the habs need Price to be on his game every single night to constantly bail them out makes Price shine a lot more than if he'd be on most teams. The fact he plays on a crappy team puts him constantly in the spotlight & dare i say that i believe he's slightly overrated due to this? Take a look at his record over the past month/month-and-a-half and he's been good, but average. He's made the saves he had to make on the most part, and did allow the odd cheap goal. Is it unfair to expect him to be playing on his head every single game for an entire season? Of course not. And as we've seen many times in the past, a very got hot goalie one season has trouble maintaining the fan base's expectations year after year & wind up fading & then getting traded.

I remember when the likes of Patrick Roy, Jose Theodore & Jaroslav Halak were once hailed as demi-gods by the fan base. Theodore even won both the Vezina & the Hart one season, a rare achievement itself which i predict will happen again this season. But those three 'demigods' couldn't replicate their past successes in Mtl and eventually got traded.

The same thing will happen with Carey Price. Not this year or next year, but mark my words: he will not finish his career in Montreal. And indeed, Michel Therrien will one day get fired (i predict within 2 years from now) and so will Marc Bergevin. That's how professional sports work. It's a constant case of "what have you done for me lately?"

 

[BookerL]

I remember when the likes of Patrick Roy, Jose Theodore & Jaroslav Halak were once hailed as demi-gods by the fan base. Theodore even won both the Vezina & the Hart one season, a rare achievement itself which i predict will happen again this season. But those three 'demigods' couldn't replicate their past successes in Mtl and eventually got traded.

What about Full Sports Gods

Wayne Gretsky
Bobby Hull
Brett Hull
Bobby Orr
Gordie Howe
Phil Esposito
Ray Bourque

And many more, all of those players changed colors in there hockey career either by trades or nonrenewable of their contract or financial dispute.

Predicting a player will change colors isn't very complicated,the difficulty would be in predicting the ones that don't and then we would be able to see who is really in the" know "


Good Luck to the Rangers and Alain Vigneault witch I followed is coaching career with the Hull Olympiques same as Pat Burns :thumb:



Cheers




Booker

 

[Doc Holliday]

Bad

Rangers GM Phil Esposito firing coach Michel Bergeron on the eve of the playoffs. He felt his coach was trying to undermine him. They had an arguement over player personnel and Esposito lost his cool and inserted himself as coach following Bergie's canning. The Rangers wound up losing in the first round of the playoffs.