The Bitching thread

[perso]

Yeah... I had mixed feelings about this at first. I don't really look at other people's ads very often.. but I recently did notice that weird use of AI. It does pose an ethical problem.

Lol I don't think anybody would appreciate if I used this photo in one of my ads :

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I don’t mind seeing you like this. Yes it is a bit over the top but it doesn’t takeaway your beautiful features. Grab my hand and take me to paradise. Lol

 

[perso]

Yeah... I had mixed feelings about this at first. I don't really look at other people's ads very often.. but I recently did notice that weird use of AI. It does pose an ethical problem.

Lol I don't think anybody would appreciate if I used this photo in one of my ads :

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The worries is that people use it too much and eventually doesn’t represent the person at all anymore.
Recently in the news, they showed people using AI to embellish their house for sale and turned out it doesn’t look at the same house anymore. That can be a total turn off and a deal breaker. Au naturel is always best.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

The worries is that people use it too much and eventually doesn’t represent the person at all anymore.
Recently in the news, they showed people using AI to embellish their house for sale and turned out it doesn’t look at the same house anymore. That can be a total turn off and a deal breaker. Au naturel is always best.

Yeah that's what we're talking about.

Some of the photos I've seen featured providers in completely fictional settings.. I tend to browse this stuff pretty fast and AI is getting pretty realistic so it didn't catch my eye until someone pointed it out to me.

We all have professional photos that are flattering but AI generated images are something else entirely. I think it's much better to encourager professional photographers.

 

[Delicateyumi]

Right now I feel like everyone is letting it slide because the providers doing it, agencies, indys or spas, are « cheap ». That’s what it comes down to. It always start like that and it becomes a rampant issue.

It was the same a few years ago with retouching pictures and now it has become a non issue in every parlor and agency…even indys, most of their waists are retouched to be two inches. It’s so depressing. Like 85% of these girls don’t even ressemble their pictures or maybe I’m too observant…I don’t know man.
I had to turn down a parlor a few months ago because the owner was adamant that we should remove my tattoos from my pictures so that the spa could bait and switch clients into booking me like noooooo what the hell

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Right now I feel like everyone is letting it slide because the providers doing it, agencies, indys or spas, are « cheap ». That’s what it comes down to. It always start like that and it becomes a rampant issue.

It was the same a few years ago with retouching pictures and now it has become a non issue in every parlor and agency…even indys, most of their waists are retouched to be two inches. It’s so depressing. Like 85% of these girls don’t even ressemble their pictures or maybe I’m too observant…I don’t know man.
I had to turn down a parlor a few months ago because the owner was adamant that we should remove my tattoos from my pictures so that the spa could bait and switch clients into booking me like noooooo what the hell

I mean, I think all professional photographers retouch their pictures.. but there's a difference between artful enhancement, and making somebody look completely different.

I understand why some people want to hide their tattoos because it can be a privacy concern. But I wouldn't want to cover mine for the same reasons as you.

 

[LeDodo]

I hate people who at the red light only indicate their intentions to turn only when it turns green ...

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I don't personally like the idea of being randomly sent money for a future session.

I've had a client do this before, I thought he wanted to help but then he said he wanted a bunch of services "in exchange" which I never agreed to offer to begin with. I didn't ask him for money either, just shared a situation I was experiencing.

I know other SP may see things differently.

I've recently sent a deposit to someone (not a SP lol) who had to reschedule. It wasn't an issue.. but it seems like the situation above is about a substantial amount of money. It sounds like a complicated and unfortunate situation for both parties.

 

[LeDodo]

Saw a lady in (pink) fur walking by. I don't want summer to be gone ...

It will be 35C today ...

 

[Fradi]

.it seems like the situation above is about a substantial amount of money. It sounds like a complicated and unfortunate situation for both parties.

It is only unfortunate for the guy who paid for something that was accepted and he did not receive.
Why try to spin a dishonest person. You do not spend something that you have not earned.
None of you have any trouble denouncing and calling a client a scumbag who cancels at the last minute and doesn’t pay cancellation charges but when the shoe is on the other foot it is a complicated situation lol.

 

[Delicateyumi]

Exactly, I fully agree with this.

Let me add more to the story then. When we initially booked, I told her that my area is RURAL, meaning NO ONE comes here. Hence the DMTY. She said she still accepts and will treat it as a sort of vacation. But she ended up postponing because she said no one is booking her for the dates she posted. I had to laugh to myself because I had already warned her of this. She wanted to push the meeting back by a month to try and meet summer clients and I accepted (this is why I dont usually inconvenience myself to help people). Then she still didnt get anyone because, again, my area is quite RURAL(which I pointed out from day 1!). So she fully cancelled and said she would send the money in two parts, 1 week apart. I was like ?????? But I said ok. Then her situation happened a few days later and here we are. And the half I got back, I have had to be on her neck to have gotten it back. And on her neck meaning I texted her once a week. I wasnt even texting her everyday. She has not honored the repayment agreement none at all.

I agree it's always "complicated" when the client is to get their money but not when the SP is to be paid. When I receive money from clients for a business I used to have, I would not touch that money until the client received their product. That is simple principle. Then having the audacity to question my intentions of wanting to meet in the 1st place, saying I am or commenting that I must need the money.

Still awaiting an SP to say she uses I.O.U.s, especially for new clients.

Maybe it’s time for a review? I’m surprised you got any money back.

 

[polaroid]

Is it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...

I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.

I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:

1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.​

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2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:​

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- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.​

- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.​

- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)​

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By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.​

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3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.​

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4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?​

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I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.

Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.

Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.

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There you go... I started it

Philippines,Thailand,Brazil maybe prices are driven up by americans and others who have deep pockets....Pre covid I dont remember prices in Euros one thing is for sure I'm paid in canadian dollars I wont start paying à massage in Euros or bitcoins !!!!!!

 

[Goddess Maple]

When I receive money from clients for a business I used to have, I would not touch that money until the client received their product. That is simple principle.

It's the most respectful way to do it. I'm a SP with chronic illnesses and sadly, I have to cancel a couple of times. But, I ALWAYS put the deposits in a specific bank account before the appointment so it stays there if I have to cancel and give it back. Like you said, simple principle. My policy is that if I'm the one being canceled on, I keep the money and if I'm the one who is canceling, they have it back as soon as they see the canceling message.
I'm someone who is really transparent so I take the time to explain what's happening and how my situation impacts me. Thankfully, everyone has been understanding and comprehensive yet. They get their money back instantly and they appreciate my transparency so they tend to book again, which I deeply appreciate.

 

[hob12]

The money should have been sent back right away. Its a no brainer discussion.

 

[twenty4seven]

Maybe it’s time for a review? I’m surprised you got any money back.

Agreed. Not sure what the point of vagueposting about a provider that screwed you over without naming them? Put it in their review thread. If it's a one-off, and everyone else has had flawless experiences them, then it probably won't affect her much and it might spurn action on her part to pay you back. If it's an on-going thing, and others have faced a similar situation with this provider, then you'll be saving other people from the same fate.

Reviews come in all shapes and sizes, even for

a well established SP

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Well here's what I will bitch about lol a client actually sent a deposit and he still didn't show up. I don't usually ask for deposits, but I had a weird feeling. I was right.

 

[Delicateyumi]

Agreed. Not sure what the point of vagueposting about a provider that screwed you over without naming them? Put it in their review thread. If it's a one-off, and everyone else has had flawless experiences them, then it probably won't affect her much and it might spurn action on her part to pay you back. If it's an on-going thing, and others have faced a similar situation with this provider, then you'll be saving other people from the same fate.

Reviews come in all shapes and sizes, even for

He posted about it back in June…we’re in August, I think it would be fair for him to post a review about it lol.

 

[urquell]

I get a fair number of people writing to me and asking me questions about this, that and the other thing. I'm pretty laid back generally and will usually answer questions even if the asker is a lurker or has no or little posting history or whatever. I may not give as complete an answer as I might do in some back channel conversation but I will try to provide either useful information or guidance of some kind if I can, no matter who's asking. I usually feel that it's the job of people on this board to help and support others, as it is on other board, so anything reasonable, etc.,etc. etc. Having said that, if you're a 15 year member of this board, that I've never interacted with before, with just a handful of posts, and you write to me "I want you to tell me A,B and C. thanks" as the entirety of your message, without any kind of introduction, social niceties or anything that could be construed by anyone as being either courteous or respectful of a stranger from whom you wish to obtain help and information, then you can absolutely fuck right off.

 

[urquell]

If you continue to pay deposits most people will be fine but some people will screw you. That's how it works, unless you limit your interactions to a very select group of people. You are guaranteed to lose deposits again in the future if you pay them to whoever asks for them. Maybe 90% of the people you interact with will be fine, but you are still going to lose money at some point. You either just shrug your shoulders and decide that that's the cost of doing business, in which case you should stop worrying about it entirely and be philosophical when it happens, or simply stop paying deposits. Whichever decision you make will be the best one for you. There isn't a wide consensus here on which way is the best way to go and it comes up frequently.

 

[LeDodo]

I get a fair number of people writing to me and asking me questions about this, that and the other thing. I'm pretty laid back generally and will usually answer questions even if the asker is a lurker or has no or little posting history or whatever. I may not give as complete an answer as I might do in some back channel conversation but I will try to provide either useful information or guidance of some kind if I can, no matter who's asking. I usually feel that it's the job of people on this board to help and support others, as it is on other board, so anything reasonable, etc.,etc. etc. Having said that, if you're a 15 year member of this board, that I've never interacted with before, with just a handful of posts, and you write to me "I want you to tell me A,B and C. thanks" as the entirety of your message, without any kind of introduction, social niceties or anything that could be construed by anyone as being either courteous or respectful of a stranger from whom you wish to obtain help and information, then you can absolutely fuck right off.

Same. Lately I was asked to give more juicy details. And almost ended being the one not sharing information lol

I feel like some people just want you to show and tell and jerk off your story telling.

 

[LeDodo]

It's the most respectful way to do it. I'm a SP with chronic illnesses and sadly, I have to cancel a couple of times. But, I ALWAYS put the deposits in a specific bank account before the appointment so it stays there if I have to cancel and give it back. Like you said, simple principle. My policy is that if I'm the one being canceled on, I keep the money and if I'm the one who is canceling, they have it back as soon as they see the canceling message.
I'm someone who is really transparent so I take the time to explain what's happening and how my situation impacts me. Thankfully, everyone has been understanding and comprehensive yet. They get their money back instantly and they appreciate my transparency so they tend to book again, which I deeply appreciate.

Well such transparency is fine as it manages expectations and will avoid potential frustration!