Hello Doc,Doc Holliday said:
Maybe you are done with your wishful predicting against my Patriots now...huh! NOW...are you predicting they will go unbeaten?????
Cheers,
Korbel
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The Official 2007 NFL March to the Super Bowl Thread
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Maybe you are done with your wishful predicting against my Patriots now...huh! NOW...are you predicting they will go unbeaten?????
Cheers,
Korbel
Chills
Josey...you give me chills when you back MY TEAM...brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It's kinda like cats and dogs doing IT. Besides, who do I get to pick on for the fun of it...lol. As for me, I don't make predictions like that. my "opinion" is they have an excellent chance now. That's as far as I go.
Reality...not bluster,
Korbel
Hello Joe.t,Joe.t said:I don't know about Doc but I am, you can take this prediction to the bank.
Josey...you give me chills when you back MY TEAM...brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. It's kinda like cats and dogs doing IT. Besides, who do I get to pick on for the fun of it...lol. As for me, I don't make predictions like that. my "opinion" is they have an excellent chance now. That's as far as I go.
Reality...not bluster,
Korbel
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Korbel said:
Hello Korbel,
If I count correctly, TOTAL should be 10-4... Jacksonville lost against New Orleans...
Joey_cool_007
Joey_cool_007 said:
Hello JC,
Yes...I see what I put there. Somehow, I posted against my real pick. Oh well.
Regards,
Korbel
Spygate mars Perfect Patriots Season...BULLSHIT!
Hello all,
Shula: Spygate would mar Pats' undefeated season
Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal. Shula is naturally protective of the Dolphins' accomplishment and certainly wants that '72 team to stand alone. Long ago, he said, he learned that "rooting doesn't make anything happen. The Patriots look so good. I think they got a real shot at doing it." The Dolphins were 14-0 in the regular season and 3-0 in the playoffs, including the Super Bowl. If the Patriots don't lose, they will finish 19-0. Shula admires the Patriots' team, but then, without being asked, he said Spygate negatively impacts the way they should be perceived this season. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the Daily News yesterday. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,00 and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record. I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No.1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help." -- NY Daily News
I think Shula's dieting has stunted his thinking skills. I could agree with the point if the cheating had been discovered late in the season. But it was nipped in the bud, and the information filmed in the first game never got into the hands of the Patriots staff for analysis and use. So that game was won cleanly as were all the rest. The attempt to cheat was punished and all was stopped. With seven games to go for the Patriots what is Shula crying about anyway. He must be pretty impressed with them to try to poison their record so soon well before it might happen.
Poor sport aka sour grapes,
Korbel
Hello all,
Shula: Spygate would mar Pats' undefeated season
Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal. Shula is naturally protective of the Dolphins' accomplishment and certainly wants that '72 team to stand alone. Long ago, he said, he learned that "rooting doesn't make anything happen. The Patriots look so good. I think they got a real shot at doing it." The Dolphins were 14-0 in the regular season and 3-0 in the playoffs, including the Super Bowl. If the Patriots don't lose, they will finish 19-0. Shula admires the Patriots' team, but then, without being asked, he said Spygate negatively impacts the way they should be perceived this season. "The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the Daily News yesterday. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,00 and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record. I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No.1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help." -- NY Daily News
I think Shula's dieting has stunted his thinking skills. I could agree with the point if the cheating had been discovered late in the season. But it was nipped in the bud, and the information filmed in the first game never got into the hands of the Patriots staff for analysis and use. So that game was won cleanly as were all the rest. The attempt to cheat was punished and all was stopped. With seven games to go for the Patriots what is Shula crying about anyway. He must be pretty impressed with them to try to poison their record so soon well before it might happen.
Poor sport aka sour grapes,
Korbel
Shula's Integrity.
Hello all,
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7417934
Shula should be wary of throwing asterisks around
Name a coach and NFL team caught cheating and then forced to give up a first-round pick, only to gain a measure of revenge by roughing up an opponent or two en route to a perfect season and a Super Bowl title.
Bill Belichick's New England Patriots?
How about Don Shula's 1972 Miami Dolphins?
The parallels aren't exact, since that Dolphins team is already in the record book and these Patriots are only halfway through their regular-season schedule. But Shula couldn't be bothered with distinctions earlier this week when he suggested an asterisk would be appropriate if the Patriots did make it onto the same page by season's end.
"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," the retired Hall of Fame coach told the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."
If Shula believes that, then he ought to negotiate a two-fer and paste the other asterisk next to his own undefeated team.
He was still the coach of the Baltimore Colts at the end of the 1969 season, when then-Miami owner Joe Robbie approached him and signed Shula to a contract. The NFL charged the Dolphins with tampering and awarded their first-round pick to the Colts. Undaunted, Miami reached the Super Bowl in 1971, then rebounded from a loss to the Dallas Cowboys by winning the next two, including the perfect 17-0 campaign.
Belichick may be crazy - and I'll lay the over - but he's no fool. Whatever advantage his Patriots gained by stealing signals in their opener against the Jets, chances are good they put the extra video camera back in the case after that little chat with commissioner Roger Goodell. Yet, they've only gotten better.
Let's not soft-pedal what Belichick and the Pats did. Even though a one-game suspension would have made the point much more effectively, Goodell found enough wrongdoing to lighten Belichick's pay envelope with an unprecedented $500,000 fine, then took another $250,000 from the organization and a first-round pick.
It's curious that the commissioner decided to destroy all the evidence afterward, but it might also be telling.
"You don't know what was on those tapes and how much it helped," Shula said. "I think the commissioner just wanted it to go away."
Small wonder. Teams have been looking for an edge since the league opened for business and they've only become more sophisticated in the intervening years. Since the Patriots are state-of-the-art in just about everything else they do, it stands to reason they were better at stealing signals than their opponents, too.
Yet, if Goodell is serious about running an honest game - I'll take the over on that bet, too - and he concluded a fine and a draft pick were enough to level the playing field, well, it must not have been that tilted to begin with. After the whistle, though, that's a different story.
The Patriots are arguably the NFL's most talented team, they're definitely the best-coached and thanks to comments like Shula's, they're easily the most motivated. There's no chance success will go to their head.
To know that, you only had to see Belichick grab a clipboard in the Dallas game a few weeks back, walk grumpily toward the bench and start lecturing his linebackers, who hadn't given up so much as a first down at that point.
Better yet, go back and look at the film on tackle Matt Light's personal foul in the second quarter Sunday against Indianapolis. ColtsDwight Freeney fooled Light with his pass rush and was en route to steamrolling Tom Brady. Rather than see his quarterback crushed, Light desperately leg-whipped Freeney and got caught. Even so, it was one of those win-at-all-cost maneuvers that few people would have admired more than Belichick and Light's teammates would have admired.
Back in the day, Shula probably would have felt the same. His Miami teams, like Belichick's, were disciplined and punishing, and while they beat up opponents with a low-tech running attack led by Larry Csonka and Jim Kiick, the Dolphins were not above running up a score once they got rolling. In the perfect season, coincidentally, that translated into a 52-0 beating of New England.
That year, the Dolphins also happened to draw what most experts consider one of the NFL's softest schedules ever. Their opponents had a winning percentage below .400. But nobody suggested an asterisk was in order then, and if the Patriots go through a deeper league and all the way to a Super Bowl without losing, Shula would do well to remember something that Csonka once said:
"Perfection ends a lot of arguments."
Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitkeap.org.
Here's something I find interesting about Shula's comments whether you think he is right or wrong...the timing. What was Shula waiting for? Does it really take 8-9 weeks to come up with an opinion he felt he had to express to the football and sports world? He knew that as the coach of the only unbeaten team in football history that his view would have impact. If he felt he had to give that view wouldn't he have shown a firm unquestionable stance on principle by speaking out soon after the incident was resolved, or more courageously before then? So why attempt to cast a brand now immediately after the Patriots-Colts game?
My take on this is Shula was waiting for the Patriots toughest opponent to remove the burden of his "principles" from him by eliminating the chance of another perfect season. When that didn't happen, and the chance became much more real, Shula decided to jump in somewhere before the Super Bowl after which he would have looked like little more than a cry baby. Now he decides to give an opinion, he must have formed almost instantly, 8 weeks after the commisioner settled the matter. Right or wrong he was gutless enough to wait until the dreaded prospect of sharing an accomplishment (actually the Patriots would surpass Shula due to the longer schedule) seemed very real to display his "principles", and only just courageous enough to do it somewhat before he would have been just a whiner.
Poor integrity,
Korbel
Hello all,
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7417934
Shula should be wary of throwing asterisks around
Name a coach and NFL team caught cheating and then forced to give up a first-round pick, only to gain a measure of revenge by roughing up an opponent or two en route to a perfect season and a Super Bowl title.
Bill Belichick's New England Patriots?
How about Don Shula's 1972 Miami Dolphins?
The parallels aren't exact, since that Dolphins team is already in the record book and these Patriots are only halfway through their regular-season schedule. But Shula couldn't be bothered with distinctions earlier this week when he suggested an asterisk would be appropriate if the Patriots did make it onto the same page by season's end.
"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," the retired Hall of Fame coach told the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."
If Shula believes that, then he ought to negotiate a two-fer and paste the other asterisk next to his own undefeated team.
He was still the coach of the Baltimore Colts at the end of the 1969 season, when then-Miami owner Joe Robbie approached him and signed Shula to a contract. The NFL charged the Dolphins with tampering and awarded their first-round pick to the Colts. Undaunted, Miami reached the Super Bowl in 1971, then rebounded from a loss to the Dallas Cowboys by winning the next two, including the perfect 17-0 campaign.
Belichick may be crazy - and I'll lay the over - but he's no fool. Whatever advantage his Patriots gained by stealing signals in their opener against the Jets, chances are good they put the extra video camera back in the case after that little chat with commissioner Roger Goodell. Yet, they've only gotten better.
Let's not soft-pedal what Belichick and the Pats did. Even though a one-game suspension would have made the point much more effectively, Goodell found enough wrongdoing to lighten Belichick's pay envelope with an unprecedented $500,000 fine, then took another $250,000 from the organization and a first-round pick.
It's curious that the commissioner decided to destroy all the evidence afterward, but it might also be telling.
"You don't know what was on those tapes and how much it helped," Shula said. "I think the commissioner just wanted it to go away."
Small wonder. Teams have been looking for an edge since the league opened for business and they've only become more sophisticated in the intervening years. Since the Patriots are state-of-the-art in just about everything else they do, it stands to reason they were better at stealing signals than their opponents, too.
Yet, if Goodell is serious about running an honest game - I'll take the over on that bet, too - and he concluded a fine and a draft pick were enough to level the playing field, well, it must not have been that tilted to begin with. After the whistle, though, that's a different story.
The Patriots are arguably the NFL's most talented team, they're definitely the best-coached and thanks to comments like Shula's, they're easily the most motivated. There's no chance success will go to their head.
To know that, you only had to see Belichick grab a clipboard in the Dallas game a few weeks back, walk grumpily toward the bench and start lecturing his linebackers, who hadn't given up so much as a first down at that point.
Better yet, go back and look at the film on tackle Matt Light's personal foul in the second quarter Sunday against Indianapolis. ColtsDwight Freeney fooled Light with his pass rush and was en route to steamrolling Tom Brady. Rather than see his quarterback crushed, Light desperately leg-whipped Freeney and got caught. Even so, it was one of those win-at-all-cost maneuvers that few people would have admired more than Belichick and Light's teammates would have admired.
Back in the day, Shula probably would have felt the same. His Miami teams, like Belichick's, were disciplined and punishing, and while they beat up opponents with a low-tech running attack led by Larry Csonka and Jim Kiick, the Dolphins were not above running up a score once they got rolling. In the perfect season, coincidentally, that translated into a 52-0 beating of New England.
That year, the Dolphins also happened to draw what most experts consider one of the NFL's softest schedules ever. Their opponents had a winning percentage below .400. But nobody suggested an asterisk was in order then, and if the Patriots go through a deeper league and all the way to a Super Bowl without losing, Shula would do well to remember something that Csonka once said:
"Perfection ends a lot of arguments."
Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jlitkeap.org.
Here's something I find interesting about Shula's comments whether you think he is right or wrong...the timing. What was Shula waiting for? Does it really take 8-9 weeks to come up with an opinion he felt he had to express to the football and sports world? He knew that as the coach of the only unbeaten team in football history that his view would have impact. If he felt he had to give that view wouldn't he have shown a firm unquestionable stance on principle by speaking out soon after the incident was resolved, or more courageously before then? So why attempt to cast a brand now immediately after the Patriots-Colts game?
My take on this is Shula was waiting for the Patriots toughest opponent to remove the burden of his "principles" from him by eliminating the chance of another perfect season. When that didn't happen, and the chance became much more real, Shula decided to jump in somewhere before the Super Bowl after which he would have looked like little more than a cry baby. Now he decides to give an opinion, he must have formed almost instantly, 8 weeks after the commisioner settled the matter. Right or wrong he was gutless enough to wait until the dreaded prospect of sharing an accomplishment (actually the Patriots would surpass Shula due to the longer schedule) seemed very real to display his "principles", and only just courageous enough to do it somewhat before he would have been just a whiner.
Poor integrity,
Korbel
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Shula Retracts
Hello all,
Now Mr. "belated principles" decides to retract some of what he said when he attempted to brand the Patriots season with an asterisk to protect the "purity" of his own perfect season record with the Dolphins. Waffles anyone???
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7423186
And Shula backtracked Thursday when discussing the Patriots on ESPN's "Mike and Mike in the Morning."
"If they run the table, and they win all the games, then they are doing it within the rules of the National Football League," Shula told ESPN. "And there shouldn't be any asterisk to it. That would be the accomplishment that they made. It would be the best in all of sports."
No backbone,
Korbel
Hello all,
Now Mr. "belated principles" decides to retract some of what he said when he attempted to brand the Patriots season with an asterisk to protect the "purity" of his own perfect season record with the Dolphins. Waffles anyone???
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7423186
And Shula backtracked Thursday when discussing the Patriots on ESPN's "Mike and Mike in the Morning."
"If they run the table, and they win all the games, then they are doing it within the rules of the National Football League," Shula told ESPN. "And there shouldn't be any asterisk to it. That would be the accomplishment that they made. It would be the best in all of sports."
No backbone,
Korbel
Week 10 Picks
Hello all,
My week 10 winners are in bold: wrong in red
Atlanta 20 at Carolina 13
Minnesota 0 at Green Bay 34
Denver 27 at Kansas City 11
Buffalo 13 at Miami 10
St Louis 37 at New Orleans 29
Cleveland 28 at Pittsburgh 31
Jacksonville 28 at Tennessee 13
Philadelphia 33 at Washington 25
Cincinnati 21 at Baltimore 7
Detroit 21 at Arizona 31
Dallas 31 at New York Giants 20
Chicago 17 at Oakland 6
Indianapolis at San Diego
San Francisco at Seattle
Yeah, so I picked Oakland against the Bears. Hey, maybe the home crowd can motivate a team to play like professionals for once.
Good luck,
Korbel
Whoa...5-7 so far. Korbie did not have a good week...uh huh.
Hello all,
My week 10 winners are in bold: wrong in red
Atlanta 20 at Carolina 13
Minnesota 0 at Green Bay 34
Denver 27 at Kansas City 11
Buffalo 13 at Miami 10
St Louis 37 at New Orleans 29
Cleveland 28 at Pittsburgh 31
Jacksonville 28 at Tennessee 13
Philadelphia 33 at Washington 25
Cincinnati 21 at Baltimore 7
Detroit 21 at Arizona 31
Dallas 31 at New York Giants 20
Chicago 17 at Oakland 6
Indianapolis at San Diego
San Francisco at Seattle
Yeah, so I picked Oakland against the Bears. Hey, maybe the home crowd can motivate a team to play like professionals for once.
Good luck,
Korbel
Whoa...5-7 so far. Korbie did not have a good week...uh huh.
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Week 10
Hello all,
My predictions for this week-end: winners in bold:
Altlanta at Carolina
Buffalo at Miami
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Denver at Kansas City
Jacksonville at Tennessee
Minnesota at Green Bay
Philadelphia at Washington
St-Louis at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Baltimore
Chicago at Oakland
Dallas at NY Giants
Detroit at Arizona
Indianapolis at San Diego
San Francisco at Seattle
Good luck... Have a great Sunday,
Joey_cool_007
Hello all,
My predictions for this week-end: winners in bold:
Altlanta at Carolina
Buffalo at Miami
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Denver at Kansas City
Jacksonville at Tennessee
Minnesota at Green Bay
Philadelphia at Washington
St-Louis at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Baltimore
Chicago at Oakland
Dallas at NY Giants
Detroit at Arizona
Indianapolis at San Diego
San Francisco at Seattle
Good luck... Have a great Sunday,
Joey_cool_007
Hello all,
Here are my week 11 picks:
Wrong in red.
Tampa Bay 31 at Atlanta 7
Cleveland 33 at Baltimore 30
Arizona 35 at Cincinnati 27
New York Giants 16 at Detroit 10
Carolina 13 at Green Bay 31
Kansas City 10 at Indianapolis 13
New Orleans 10 at Houston 23
San Diego 17 at Jacksonville 24
Oakland 22 at Minnesota 29
Miami 7 at Philadelphia 17
Pittsburgh 16 at New York Jets 19 Can't believe this!
Washington 23 at Dallas 28
St. Louis 13 at San Francisco 9
Chicago 23 at Seattle 30
New England 56 at Buffalo 10
Tennessee at Denver
Good luck,
13-3
Korbel
Here are my week 11 picks:
Wrong in red.
Tampa Bay 31 at Atlanta 7
Cleveland 33 at Baltimore 30
Arizona 35 at Cincinnati 27
New York Giants 16 at Detroit 10
Carolina 13 at Green Bay 31
Kansas City 10 at Indianapolis 13
New Orleans 10 at Houston 23
San Diego 17 at Jacksonville 24
Oakland 22 at Minnesota 29
Miami 7 at Philadelphia 17
Pittsburgh 16 at New York Jets 19 Can't believe this!
Washington 23 at Dallas 28
St. Louis 13 at San Francisco 9
Chicago 23 at Seattle 30
New England 56 at Buffalo 10
Tennessee at Denver
Good luck,
13-3
Korbel
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My money making picks.
Arizona over Cinncinnati
Green Bay over Carolina
Cleveland over Baltimore
Indy over KC
Philly over Miami
New Orleans over Housten
Minnesota over Oakland
Pittsburgh over NY Jets
San Diego over Jacksonville
Atlanta over Tampa
Washington over Dallas
Detroit over Giants
St-Louis Rams over San Francisco
Seattle over Chicago
Tennessee over Denver
New England over Buffalo
Changed my pick to Detroit, Lions are undefeated at home and Eli is not Peyton.
Arizona over Cinncinnati
Green Bay over Carolina
Cleveland over Baltimore
Indy over KC
Philly over Miami
New Orleans over Housten
Minnesota over Oakland
Pittsburgh over NY Jets
San Diego over Jacksonville
Atlanta over Tampa
Washington over Dallas
Detroit over Giants
St-Louis Rams over San Francisco
Seattle over Chicago
Tennessee over Denver
New England over Buffalo
Changed my pick to Detroit, Lions are undefeated at home and Eli is not Peyton.
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Joey_cool_007 week 11 picks
Hello all,
My week 11 picks: winners in bold and upset in bold and red:
Arizona at Cincinnati
Carolina at Green Bay
Cleveland at Baltimore
Kansas City at Indianapolis
Miami at Philadelphia
New Orleans at Houston
NY Giants at Detroit
Oakland at Minnesota
San Diego at Jacksonville
Tampa Bay at Atlanta
Pittsburgh at NY Jets
Chicago at Seattle
St-Louis at San Francisco
Washington at Dallas
New England at Buffalo
Tennessee at Denver
Good luck and have a great Sunday,
Joey_cool_007
Hello all,
My week 11 picks: winners in bold and upset in bold and red:
Arizona at Cincinnati
Carolina at Green Bay
Cleveland at Baltimore
Kansas City at Indianapolis
Miami at Philadelphia
New Orleans at Houston
NY Giants at Detroit
Oakland at Minnesota
San Diego at Jacksonville
Tampa Bay at Atlanta
Pittsburgh at NY Jets
Chicago at Seattle
St-Louis at San Francisco
Washington at Dallas
New England at Buffalo
Tennessee at Denver
Good luck and have a great Sunday,
Joey_cool_007
Yikes
Hello Doc,
Yeah, I know what you mean. I have only two different from Joe.t. Damn, that's a lot of heavy baggage for me to carry...lol. Thanks Josey.
Ugh!
Korbel
Doc Holliday said:Seven different from Joe T. Hey, i might just make some money this weekend!
Hello Doc,
Yeah, I know what you mean. I have only two different from Joe.t. Damn, that's a lot of heavy baggage for me to carry...lol. Thanks Josey.
Ugh!
Korbel
Joe.t said:Don't be surprised if you see a picture of me holding a cheque in next weeks Pro-Line sheet.
Thanks Joe. Because of 4 of the picks we had different, i just won $300.
Doc Holliday said:Thanks Joe. Because of 4 of the picks we had different, i just won $300.
Hello Doc,
So far both of us have the same 11-3 score, both beating our good buddy Joe.t. So how did you win $300. Did you bet on lotto Quebec?
Regards,
Korbel
Joe could fuck up a wet dream.Doc Holliday said:Thanks Joe. Because of 4 of the picks we had different, i just won $300.
Korbel said:
Four game parlay on Proline's Point Spread. Picked Houston, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay & the NY Giants. Other than the Tampa game, i wasn't sure who to pick in the other games. When i saw Joe T's picks, i decided to pick the opposite teams of those he chose. Put $30 on a ticket & won $300. Thank you, Joe T!!!
Next week, i'm waiting for Joe T's picks to be posted & i'm putting $100 on a similar parlay.
