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The Official 2012 Major League Baseball Thread

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Thank you for your services to the New York Yankees for which we are eternally grateful, especially for the monster year that you had in 2012 when Mariano went down, but unfortuantely we will not be offering you a contract as the New York Yankees will need to save money this year in order to sign Tim Lincecum in 2013, again, thank you Rafeal and good luck with your next team.

Signed- Hal Steinbrenner, Managing Partner of the New York Yankees.
 

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Marlins traded Heath Bell to the Diamondbacks, and get a player from the A's in return.

In other news, CC Sabathia's 2013 is in question after it was revealed he's had ligament problems in his left elbow. He might not need Tommy John surgery. He's scheduled to meet with Dr. James Andrews in about 10 days. If he rules for Tommy John, this would be devastating news to the Yankees!
 

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Steinbrenner on A-Rod: 'We'll see'

NEW YORK -- Hank Steinbrenner says too much blame is being directed at Alex Rodriguez for Detroit's sweep of the Yankees, and won't address whether the slumping star will be back in New York next season.

"He was just one of quite a few that just had a bad time at the plate," the team's co-chairperson said Friday during a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "So is it fair to accuse him of everything but the Kennedy assassination? No, it's not fair, but we'll see what happens from this point on."

The Yankees owe the third baseman $114 million over the next five seasons. Rodriguez, who has the ability to block trades, was benched for three games in the playoffs and pinch hit for in three others. A-Rod said he wants to stay in New York.

"I'm not going to get into that at this point," Steinbrenner said.

A person familiar with the situation said the Yankees want Rodriguez to focus more on baseball and less on being a celebrity, and hope he'll come to grips with the idea at age 37 he no longer is the player who won three MVP awards and needs to set realistic goals. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the team did not want its views attributed publicly.

With a major league-high $222 million payroll, the Yankees expected nothing less than their 28th World Series title. But Rodriguez, Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher, Russell Martin and Eric Chavez combined to hit .110 with eight RBIs and 57 strikeouts in nine postseason games.

"It was something to not be very pleased about," Steinbrenner said. "Everybody is kind of a bewildered and a little angry, too. But that's natural."

His younger brother, Hal, the team's managing general partner and boss, issued a statement combining praise for the team and disappointment. He cited numerous injuries the Yankees overcame to win the AL East with the league's best record at 95-67.

"We fell short of our singular and constant goal," he said. "Make no mistake, this was a bitter end to our year, and we fully intend to examine our season in its totality, assess all of our strengths and weaknesses and take the necessary steps needed to maintain our sole focus of winning the World Series in 2013. Great teams -- and organizations -- use disappointment as a motivation for future improvements and success. In the days, weeks and months ahead, we plan to do what's necessary to return this franchise to the World Series."

Read more:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/sto...er-says-blaming-alex-rodriguez-sweep-not-fair

But the real question is: do Yankee fans really want Alex Rodriguez back? :confused:
 

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In other news, CC Sabathia's 2013 is in question after it was revealed he's had ligament problems in his left elbow. He might not need Tommy John surgery.
Can you name the last pitcher to visit Dr. Andrews who didn't need TJ surgery? Me, neither.
 

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John Farrell traded to Boston Red Sox

John Farrell is the Red Sox’s new manager, according to multiple reports late Saturday night.

The story has been brewing since Wednesday, when it was first reported that Toronto had entered into talks with the Red Sox about compensation in exchange for Farrell, who held the Jays job for just two seasons.

The Blue Jays are expected to receive veteran infielder Mike Aviles in return for Farrell, while the Red Sox reportedly also get Blue Jays first baseman/DH Adam Lind. Aviles would take over from Kelly Johnson at second base.

Farrell is also said to have agreed to a multi-year contract through the 2015 season. A formal announcement was expected Sunday.

Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos and president Paul Beeston did not immediately return messages, but have been declining comment since the reports surfaced.

With Farrell gone, Anthopoulos must now turn his attention to interviewing managerial candidates with the free agent market set to open right after the World Series, which starts Wednesday.

Anthopoulos has said he will be active in free agency and on the trade front in efforts to retool for a playoff push. Many experts feel the Jays aren’t that far from contention despite this year’s 73-89 finish.

Farrell is leaving a job that he never appeared totally comfortable with. As the season wound down, several players privately characterized the manager as a solid baseball mind but not right for the role.

Farrell was pitching coach in Boston from 2007-10, and won a World Series there, before leaving to take his first major league managerial job.

He is said to have a strong relationship with the veterans on the Red Sox staff, as well as a good working relationship with general manager Ben Cherington.

That dynamic reportedly did not exist in Toronto, where it was believed Farrell butted heads with management over player decisions and the fact Anthopoulos did not deliver pitching help at the trade deadline.

Farrell leaves with a record of 154-170 in two seasons in Toronto, and the just-completed season ended with unrest on the field and in the clubhouse.

The search for a new manager begins now, with Sandy Alomar Jr., brother of Blue Jay hall of famer Robbie Alomar, a strong candidate.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseb...-mlb-boston-red-sox-closing-in-on-new-manager

Congratulations to the Red Sox in obtaining the manager they've been seeking over the past year; the Jays finally get rid of Adam Lind's big contract & get their new second baseman in Mike Aceves. Will Sandy Alomar Jr. be the next skipper of the Jays? Or will it be former Expo Tim Wallach? Who else could be in the picture?
 

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The search for a new manager begins now, with Sandy Alomar Jr., brother of Blue Jay hall of famer Robbie Alomar, a strong candidate.


Congratulations to the Red Sox in obtaining the manager they've been seeking over the past year; the Jays finally get rid of Adam Lind's big contract & get their new second baseman in Mike Aceves. Will Sandy Alomar Jr. be the next skipper of the Jays? Or will it be former Expo Tim Wallach? Who else could be in the picture?

Demarlo Hale or Brad Ausmus might also be a fit.
 

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Farrell to Boston deal official

Jays allowed John Farrell to walk-out from his contract which had a year remaining, and signed with Boston for three years. The player going Boston's way is pitcher David Carpenter, who spent the most part of the season in the minors & was going to be dropped from the 40-man roster anyway. Mike Aviles is the player going Toronto's direction. He'll replace Kelly Johnson at second base. Yunel Escobar is expected to later get traded (possibly to the A's) in order to make room for Adeiny Hechaverria.

My take on the deal: Boston gets their man. They didn't spend much to get him. Toronto doesn't lose much, since Farrell was a disappointment, had apparently lost control of the clubhouse during the second-half of the season, and likely welcomed a trade to his area. I doubt he would have been re-signed by the Jays after this season, and they didn't want to have a manager whose future status with the organization was in limbo. The Jays got a player to play every day, didn't give anything to get him, and still have Adam Lind to play first base/DH, wishing he might find the same offensive numbers he displayed three years ago.
 

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Whole thing makes very little sense to me. Yes, the Jays had to give the Sox a player to make it a real trade and we knew that it would be somebody highly unlikely to ever play for the in the majors.

I don't know about Aviles place in Toronto. He's a second year arbitration player who would likely get a raise to $3 M if tendered, probably resigned for less than $2 M if non-tendered. My guess is that the Jays release him and try to sign him for $1.5.

Why were the Sox so hot after Farrell with the likes of Tony Pena and Brad Ausmus available? Beats me. I'm just glad they didn't have to trade Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy to get him. :D
 

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Why were the Sox so hot after Farrell with the likes of Tony Pena and Brad Ausmus available? Beats me. I'm just glad they didn't have to trade Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy to get him. :D

That dickbag Tony Pena is the last asshole I'd want managing the Sox!
 

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Here's an interesting article by Pete Abraham on the mess that the Red Sox were and the mess that the Yankees are. (Note that this was written before we learned that Cheeseburger Cheeseburger is going to visit Dr. Andrews.)

Opportunity for Red Sox reflected in issues facing the Yankees

By Peter Abraham, Globe Staff

DETROIT -- We are coming up on the two-month anniversary of the Red Sox trading Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, and Nick Punto to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Only now, thanks to the Yankees, can the true value of that trade be fully realized.

Derek Jeter will have surgery on his fractured left ankle on Saturday in North Carolina, then face 4-5 months of rehabilitation. The Yankees hope he will be back for Opening Day, but admit they have no idea to what degree the surgery will affect his ability to play shortstop.

Jeter, who turns 39 in June, worked hard in recent years to improve his range. Now he faces the hurdle of playing with a surgically repaired ankle. Jeter has $17 million on his contract for 2013 and an $8 million player option for 2014.

Then we have the latest drama surrounding 37-year-old Alex Rodriguez. He has looked helpless in the postseason and the Yankees aren't interested in giving him a chance to work it out. Rodriguez has been pinch hit for three times in the postseason and benched three times.

The most expensive player in baseball has become almost useless to them -- and he has five years and $114 million remaining on his contract. On Wednesday, before the postponed fourth game of the American League Championship Series, the Yankees talked about A-Rod like he was some scrub call-up from the minors.

"We will go forward. Alex will go forward," general manager Brian Cashman said. "You're going to have some good times and you're going to have some tough times. But when you're going through the tough times, it doesn't have to be the end-all and be-all.

"Opportunities will exist to continue to get back off that mat and get back in the ring and battle. And Alex is going to wait for that opportunity. Right now it looks like, in theory, we'll do that against lefthanded pitching."

Manager Joe Girardi fielded questions about whether Rodriguez was still a viable player without blinking.

"No, no, I don't think he is a shot player," he said. "It's not that I want to sit Alex Rodriguez. It's not that I have sat him against every righthander, I haven't. He played against a lot of them. But the struggles have continued, like for some other players as well. And I've sat some other players just as well."

Unless the Yankees can trade Rodriguez, this is their new reality.

"This doesn't mean that he's done; that he's finished; that he is not capable. He is still a big threat," Cashman said. "But for whatever reason right now we are adjusting to what we are seeing."

The Red Sox avoided this kind of mess when they unloaded Beckett, Crawford, and Gonzalez on the Dodgers.

Instead of watching the 32-year-old Beckett throw 91-mph fastballs the next two seasons and become increasingly recalcitrant, they can go get somebody younger, better and more team oriented.

Instead of counting how many surgeries Crawford has over the length of his seven-year deal, they can invest that money in a player entering his prime.

And while Gonzalez was a hefty tariff to pay for unloading Beckett and Crawford, his diminishing power and problems hitting at Fenway Park are troubling signs.

Now, thanks to the Dodgers, the Red Sox have incredible roster and payroll flexibility.

Unless they pull off their own miracle trade, the Yankees are stuck with an aging and expensive roster.

They'll surely pay to bring back Mariano Rivera next season. He turns 43 in November. CC Sabathia, who is 32, is signed until 2016 with a vesting option for 2017. Mark Teixeira, also 32, is signed through 2016. Robinson Cano will be a free agent after 2013 when he is 31 and will command a long-term deal.

The Red Sox were a wretched team and finished in last place, a whopping 26 games behind the first-place Yankees. But the Sox might actually have the advantage moving forward.

Seeing Jeter go down and watching the Yankees wrestle with Rodriguez only confirmed that idea.
 

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From Rotoworld: Michael Pineda is not expected back before June.

Michael Pineda (shoulder) is not expected to be ready by the start of spring training next February.
"We have to keep him off our radar for now," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told reporters on Sunday. "We're talking June of next year ... the second half of next year." Pineda underwent surgery in April to repair a torn labrum in his right shoulder. He's healing slower than his initial timetable suggested he would.
 

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From Rotoworld: Michael Pineda is not expected back before June.

He's starting to remind me of Carl Pavano. By the way, i'm currently reading Joe Torre's autobiography titled "The Yankee Years". Lots of interesting stuff on Pavano. There's also some good stuff on A-Rod (what a dick!).
 

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Jeter's ankle
Mariano's knee
CC's elbow
Pineda's shoulder
Granderson's eyes
A-Rod's head
Teiseria's calf
What a fucking mess.
 

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This is what the Red Sox fans(the ones that aren 't delusional) are saying about Farrell as manager, I will quote from another board-

"Farrell wont have any real impact, unless his job is to just manage the clubhouse through the next few bridge years".

And what a long bridge it will be, please sign Nick Swisher Cherington, he has overstayed his welcome in New York, who knows, he might turn out to be just as good as Alfredo Aceves and Mark Melancon.:D
 

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Love former Jays player Marco Scutaro!

Class all the way & this series' MVP!! Good luck in the World Series, Marco!! :thumb:
 

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There is still baseball being played???? Oh yea, so i see there is.... GO GIANTS! GO TIGERS! i will root for Detroit since hungry101 is a good guy!
 

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Jays should have made Red Sox sweat

by Steve Buffery, The Toronto Sun

There’s a school of thought that the Blue Jays did not get enough for out going manager John Farrell based on how badly (apparently) the Boston Red Sox wanted him.

And I subscribe to that school of thought.

The Jays easily could have told the Sox no thanks, and then let them wallow in their dysfunction. (Could you imagine the dog and pony show in Boston next year if they were forced to hire an interim manager while waiting for Farrell’s contract to expire?). Surely Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos could have made the Sox sweat a little more and offer a player with more of an upside than Mike Aviles. AA said something about how he understood how managing the Red Sox was a “dream job” for Farrell. Who cares? Being a Major in the French Foreign Legion is a dream job of mine, but it’s never going to happen.

Why bend over backwards for this guy? The Jays should have told Fenway Farrell that he wasn’t going anywhere until they got what they wanted from the Red Sox. The Jays owe Farrell nothing. It’s actually the other way around. They gave him his big break. They wouldn’t have been in the wrong by resisting Boston’s advances. The Jays were in the driver’s seat with this deal.

But, alas, it’s all water under the bridge now that AA has played his hand and the Jays received an average big-league middle infielder for Farrell and pitching prospect David Carpenter. Now, I like AA a lot, but I don’t know how anyone could be impressed with this deal. Even if you thought Farrell was an average manager, the Red Sox obviously wanted him in a big way. So why not bleed them for more? These are the Boston Red Sox, Toronto’s hated division rivals, one of the big-money teams in Major League Baseball. To hell with them. Kick ’em when you get the chance.

On the other hand, getting rid of Farrell is not such a bad thing.

Here’s a guy who basically lost control of the clubhouse this season. Break down what happened this year: Yes, injuries did the Jays in more than anything else. But away from the injured stars, the season was largely a disaster. For every Edwin Encarnacion and Casey Janssen success story, there were major setbacks, young players whose games deteriorated, Ricky Romero, Brett Lawrie, Henderson Alvarez and Colby Rasmus. Rasmus came in with so much fanfare that many Jays fans were expecting a future all-star. Instead, he batted a paltry .223, though he did hit a reasonable 23 home runs. Farrell made his bones as a pitching coach, but Alvarez and Romero (especially) imploded on the mound.

And what about Adam Lind and Travis Snider? Two big pieces of the puzzle going forward for the Jays — at least that’s what we were told for years — who never made it under Farrell. Snider finished the season in Pittsburgh. And, sure, Lawrie has tremendous upside as a player. But let’s give Omar Vizquel his due. The future hall of famer was right on when he said that players (like Lawrie), who kept making the same mistakes over and over, should have been held accountable and, if need be, punished. Lawrie kept making mistakes, and his batting suffered. What happened to his home run swing?

And as the great Fergie Olver might say, how about Yunel Escobar? Clearly, a clubhouse is far too loosey-goosey when a player like Escobar felt he could write anything he wanted under his eyes and not worry about the consequences.

Continued bonehead mistakes, Hall of Fame veterans firing off public criticisms, veteran players suggesting that the team lacked leadership, idiotic shortstops writing homophobic statements under his eyes for the world to see ... clearly Farrell did not have a firm grip on the clubhouse.

So good riddance. And good luck with the dream job.

It’s just too bad AA couldn’t have squeezed a little more out of the cocky Beantowners.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/22/jays-should-have-made-red-sox-sweat

I totally agree with Mr. Buffery.
 

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Farrell aint crap. He is a ok manager but not a Torre or Lasorda. What happened tho, you said Lind was going to the sox?
 
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