Masturbation can be an effective deterrent to wanting to see escorts, but after a period of time it does get old. In my heyday the shelf life on masturbation was usually around 30 days and then I had to be with a woman. It's MUCH longer now due to age and libido decline.
The Rising Cost of the Hobby and Rate Increases
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I have no problems with the OP venting. I applaud it. Because at least it tells me there's still sanity in Montreal. I just like to believe (haha) that this is a board for johns, not SPs. As delusional as that may be...
And, apparently, I AM one of those cheapaases, who unrealistically believe an hour with a desirable women should be priced as cheaply as effin' possible!
Duh, of course, I get it won't be zero, and there are market forces pushing the price up endlessly. But consumers shouldn't volunteer to pay higher prices. Just not the natural order of things.
Unless SPs in a market consistently deliver great service, like Korean escorts in LA in the aughts (the service was straight 8's and above, and with the plastic surgery, all those girls were 7+, mostly 8+), I'm hesitant to pay a premium. Montreal has always had a hit-or-miss element to its SPs - one in every 3-5 encounters you get a nutjob or a dud (which made MERB valuable when there were real critical reviews). But Montreal rates were priced low enough, you didn't mind the inherent risk of getting a dud. The math evened out.
The last few years, the math hasn't worked out. Because girls here are seemingly getting older, fatter, more inked, just generally less attractive. Of course, there are still gems. But lower quality + higher rates = just not as fun anymore.
Back to my first point on sanity in Montreal... Not just SPs, but the whole city feels "broken" to me. Montreal was never cheap, even 20 years ago. But it was always solid value. You had a spectrum of options. Cheap hotels, fair food prices. Even 5 years ago, pre-COVID, I could find plenty of hotels around and under $100 USD per night. Good restaurants were $50-80 CAD per person. Now? Even shitty hotels are priced above $100 USD. Most basic ones are $150 USD and above. Restaurants now price out at $100 CAD and more, easily, per person. Who is paying these prices?? Are Americans from New York and Boston creating this inflation? Or is the divide between "rich" and "poor" even greater now in Montreal amongst the locals? I don't get it. Canada's financial readouts suggest a stable economy, at least not cratering like Germany's. But the actual inflation of things I consume, feel out of control. It sucks.
Compare that to Europe, where I spend a third of my year in (which has its own issues) - but hotels and food, and good hotels and food, can still be had at much lower prices. I'd much rather spend my time in Europe, where I can get more bang for my buck.
And, apparently, I AM one of those cheapaases, who unrealistically believe an hour with a desirable women should be priced as cheaply as effin' possible!
Duh, of course, I get it won't be zero, and there are market forces pushing the price up endlessly. But consumers shouldn't volunteer to pay higher prices. Just not the natural order of things.Unless SPs in a market consistently deliver great service, like Korean escorts in LA in the aughts (the service was straight 8's and above, and with the plastic surgery, all those girls were 7+, mostly 8+), I'm hesitant to pay a premium. Montreal has always had a hit-or-miss element to its SPs - one in every 3-5 encounters you get a nutjob or a dud (which made MERB valuable when there were real critical reviews). But Montreal rates were priced low enough, you didn't mind the inherent risk of getting a dud. The math evened out.
The last few years, the math hasn't worked out. Because girls here are seemingly getting older, fatter, more inked, just generally less attractive. Of course, there are still gems. But lower quality + higher rates = just not as fun anymore.
Back to my first point on sanity in Montreal... Not just SPs, but the whole city feels "broken" to me. Montreal was never cheap, even 20 years ago. But it was always solid value. You had a spectrum of options. Cheap hotels, fair food prices. Even 5 years ago, pre-COVID, I could find plenty of hotels around and under $100 USD per night. Good restaurants were $50-80 CAD per person. Now? Even shitty hotels are priced above $100 USD. Most basic ones are $150 USD and above. Restaurants now price out at $100 CAD and more, easily, per person. Who is paying these prices?? Are Americans from New York and Boston creating this inflation? Or is the divide between "rich" and "poor" even greater now in Montreal amongst the locals? I don't get it. Canada's financial readouts suggest a stable economy, at least not cratering like Germany's. But the actual inflation of things I consume, feel out of control. It sucks.
Compare that to Europe, where I spend a third of my year in (which has its own issues) - but hotels and food, and good hotels and food, can still be had at much lower prices. I'd much rather spend my time in Europe, where I can get more bang for my buck.
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I believe it's for both. We literally pay to use this board, we are the very reason it exists and stays alive. There's an advertising section for a reason... Haha
And, apparently, I AM one of those cheapaases, who unrealistically believe an hour with a desirable women should be priced as cheaply as effin' possible!
I think it makes sense for a customer in any field to want to pay as little as possible. That's normal, what's less normal is complaining every other week about it. I don't see people making posts every other week online complaining that luxury cars are more expensive than they were before. Finding a girlfriend or a FWB is still an option and it's almost free. Same way driving a civic is still an option and is cheaper than driving a G63.
(I dont say this to compare human beings and cars, more so to compare customers and customers)
Hah! We've been discussing beauty standards recently. According to many of the active MERB clients, plastic surgery would actually put these providers lower on the rating scale. Interesting and goes to show there is a market for everyone
Your preferences won't necessarily be everyone else's (and that applies to size, tattoo, age, etc too) and that's the beauty of it.Flexing with G63's...
SMH. Not jumping in that rabbit hole of a tangent about which SPs are Civic's and which ones *think* they're Mercedes. Let alone how butt ugly G63's are... Regardless, it IS hyperbolic to say there are posts every week complaining about rates. Every 1-2 months is more like it.
Hah! We've been discussing beauty standards recently. According to many of the active MERB clients, plastic surgery would actually put these providers lower on the rating scale. Interesting and goes to show there is a market for everyone
Hahahaha. Clearly, you don't pay attention to Korean surgeons... In contrast to the obviously fake and plastic trainwrecks South Americans (and unfortunately many Montreal SPs) get - Koreans practice a lot more restraint. A cups get boosted to C cups. Rarely any D's, and if they did, they were done tastefully. Tucks and fillers on the face were a lot less obvious. I have no idea what some Montreal women are thinking, if they lack mirrors or clear vision??? If one didn't know any better, you'd think Koreans were the best looking race on the planet. lol They're not. But Asian slim, but toned, naturally, with some artificial help with the eyes and face and bust. All the characteristics the vast manjority of men prefer. None of the niche crap. And maybe those enhancements don't age well - but for 3-5 years, they did the job. If you checked TER, scores were straight 8's and 9's. You just don't see that, at volume, anymore.
I deal mostly with an agency and price have actually not moved much this year at all I think. Maybe once?
To put things in perspective, when I started hobbying, I paid between $160 and $180 per hour. That was in the mid 1990s.
In 2024 dollars, that would be $300. So I must think it has kept up with inflation.
Deluxe or indies have always been more pricy, but overall I think prices are just following cost of living.
In 2024 dollars, that would be $300. So I must think it has kept up with inflation.
Deluxe or indies have always been more pricy, but overall I think prices are just following cost of living.
I have one great provider who gives the same rates! She has a good heart!
Flexing with G63's...
Good because it would be a waste of time considering your tastes aren't everyone else's AND the comparison wasn't regarding individual escorts, but rather more the fact that hiring an escort in itself is a luxury service whereas having a girlfriend is not a luxury service.
Regarding surgery, natural looking surgeries and fillers also exist here. You just don't notice them because they look natural. Shocker.
P.s every week and every other week are different statements
I was talking to my buddy about this just the other day. Back in the Devilish/Eleganza era the prices were around $180 max. Now they are at least $100 more for the hour. The $180 is going back 15 + years so if the difference now is only a hundred bucks more, so what is the issue? The issue is certainly not the price, that has increased like everything else. What has not increased or at least stayed on par with 15 + years ago is the lack of GFE providers or the definition of GFE along with beautiful young newbies. A Montreal escort from the good old days was all about the service and so fucking yummy. Now I'm afraid It's all about the money. Long gone are the days where I would meet an SP and be blown away with incredible service. Nowadays it's just about taking care of business. I was in Montreal just a few weeks ago and it was the same old tired ass line up that has been around since before COVID. The young hot and eager to please early 20 year olds are all pushing thirty now. I know I keep talking about the good old days, but there is really nothing in Montreal that is all that appealing to me anymore. We, the johns, are chasing after a very limited and outdated group of SPs. It used to be the other way around. There used to be so much to chose from that the agencies were begging for our business. We were like kid's in a candy store. Now, if you don't speed dial an agency minutes after they release their schedule you don't get to see anyone that is half decent. And that's ok, its just supply and demand. But it used to be so different back in the day. With the lackluster service in Montreal along with the higher prices it may be worth it for me to check out Toronto and give up on my second favorite city, Montreal. It's really a shame what is happening in Montreal, the SP scene is nothing like it used to be and the restaurant and bar scene has not bounced back since COVID as well. If I couldn't find an escort or a massage joint to my liking I would just hit the bars and restaurants and you can't even do that anymore. Something needs to change, maybe it's just me that needs to change, but I can't be the only person who feels this way. No reason for me to leave the NYC area and be wow'd by the hot Montreal sex scene. Those days are long gone.
Omg so old they should consider looking for an elderly home
Positive point is you can ask them to take off their teeth for a toothless blowjob.
TWENTIES CHICKS CAN'T DO THAT.
W
I love service providers in their 30s and 40s
Geriatric providers according to some
Fuck the SW, et remplis son formulaire d'aide médicale à mourir aux soins palliatifs.
#FuckingOld
There is a reason Econolodge will always be around, right price and they do have some talent.
There are hidden gems everywhere not just on LL."Try your hand"
I am referring to SPs that I have seen regularly since engaging in the hobby, to date, I have not been offered this older rate from any of them, nor have I asked. They are independent.
Perhaps, I am seeing the wrong SPs.
See, problem solved it is worth asking this question every 3 weeks lol.
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