How do you define quality in this context?
The Rising Cost of the Hobby and Rate Increases
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This is a significant observation, and I would love to hear more from any experienced hobbyist.
I am one of the hobbyists who only came to the game post-COVID; however, I started this conversation because I am not fine paying more. Now that you have added "paying more for less" I am curious to know what has been lost, or lessened, if you like.
How has the quality gone down? What has been lost? Why was the service better pre-COVID?
From my standpoint I don't think the quality of girls has gone down, although certainly the selection is less, for a variety of reasons. The service offerings are bound within a larger rulebook now, which may be stifling for some, and there are more a-la-carte offerings than there used to be, which creates a certain rigidity and a somewhat clinical atmosphere. I am generalizing here, and this clearly does not apply to everyone or for everyone. For someone without a basis for comparison you'd probably never notice. It would simply be whatever it is. It makes me session here less though and makes me focus even more on things abroad than I used to.
Read up on the econolodge, have recently heard about them but the reviews look pretty good for some and they seem to he busy.
For me quality has not gone down, but I have been seeing the same ladies for many years.
Yes they are indies and the cost is close to double the agency prices, but for now I am still fine with that.
I like these women and they never disappoint.
Nobody likes price increase on anything except on your salary.
(avoiding specifics so as to not offend the easily offended)
in the past, most experiences were good or better.
more recently, they've for the most part been average or worse.
but at the same time, their review descriptions have been "breathtaking" or "amazing"
there's a disconnect somewhere. attitudes and the culture have shifted dramatically, and the influx of new clients have played a role in this.
the current ecosystem seems to be for the most part satisfied apart from the veteran hobbyists.
it's less to do with the price increases but rather their recent experiences, whether it be with the providers, the bookers, or the city itself
in the past, most experiences were good or better.
more recently, they've for the most part been average or worse.
but at the same time, their review descriptions have been "breathtaking" or "amazing"
there's a disconnect somewhere. attitudes and the culture have shifted dramatically, and the influx of new clients have played a role in this.
the current ecosystem seems to be for the most part satisfied apart from the veteran hobbyists.
it's less to do with the price increases but rather their recent experiences, whether it be with the providers, the bookers, or the city itself
Interesting. I consider myself a veteran in this hobby but I also fit your description of "new client" when it comes to Montreal. Besides the price increases I don't think that the quality of service has decreased since I started hobbying here. This hobby has always been about hit and misses and the more familiar you get with your endemic ecosystem the easier it should be to minimize the bad experiences.
Could it also be that you/we have become more tenured and simply have higher expectations as the benchmark trends towards the best experiences we have made along the way?
When it comes to the city, I agree with you 100%. Montreal is becoming more problematic each year and it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
What I did notice is that it has become more difficult to find natural spinners. This applies across the board to agencies, massage places and indies. More and more girls have the busty dolled up look, and I think we have social media and pop culture to thank for that.
I think its normal.
Woman being in this for years its hard on them.
You notice some become clock watchers cant wait to throw you out, or that bit of xtra time or passion seems to fade.
sevices seem rushed with some exceptions(bio hazard suit required wink wink)
Its a buyers market.The are all crying the blues
i get endless phone calls and texts from studios and privates . exampe the famous lalya of asia spa also known as owner ming on deglise in stlaurent which closed up was literaly crying on the phone said she was going home every night swearing as some days no clients and many places have mirrored this.
in fact most business owners of every imaginable type of business are complaining
Thank Justin Castro that brainless idiot and his crew of goonies.
Food prices... a necessity have doubled... as well rents and affordable houseing
never mind considering buying a house. Very few people walking around with a lot of free cash.
The working girls and escorts all have the same complaints except they are providers who cringe when clients complain about riseing costs.
its only going to get worse for clients and providers.
I haven't indulged much in the last few years and I'm interested in this thread. Compared to 10-15-20 years ago, the prices for agencies today seem unsurprising to me but the number of outcall options is dramatically diminished. In that specific sense, Montreal isn't as tempting as it once was. What has really changed (as a few people have said) is the upscale indy scene. The costs are high and the screening, including deposits, is radically more demanding. I'm interested that Montreal can apparently sustain so many Indies. Maybe it's the OF effect? Speaking personally, I'm fine with SPs charging whatever they can; it's got to be a tough job (even though we probably all think we're great clients) and if I can't afford it, that's on me. But, of course, I also miss the looser, wilder scene of 15-20 years ago.
Note sure your age but i was born in the 50s grew up in the 60s and 70 which was amazing
many factors caused change i personally believe the start of the downfall
1971 Nixon took usa off the gold standard and when they sneeze we catch a cold
then they fucked with the price of gas which effected everything
the referendum with rene leveque
all head offices ran to toronto our dollar at 1 time was over 1 and usa under us this was a reverse after the referendum
when massage parlours took off id say early 90s and changes in laws which effected both them and strip clubs
massage was not only affordable but fun
agencies medium priced ones in the 160 200 range
the last nail in the cofin was the great reset the bullshit covid scam where pharmacuticalcompanies made billions
and prices of food and rents almsot doubled and for what valid reason? all bullshit
Everyone should boycott who try to increase rate! But of course,some customer are guilty as well...sometime the tips are....way out of this world...so after,the girl saying to herself...well i guess i can charge much more lollll
The pharma companies definitely didn't come out of COVID smelling like roses... Pfizer poured billions into the effort to fast-track the COVID vaccine, and it's got very little to show for it. The stock has made a complete roundtrip to pre-COVID levels. None of the primary vaccine makers have been able to sustain any kind of momentum. COVID was a one-time blip for pharmas. Just to nip that in the bud...
Now, contrast that with fat cat liberal socialist government spenders... Like what Mr. Justin and Ms. Valerie have done, to reward the lazy and incompetent, and wreck their local economies...
Back to the topic. As I think Thor said earlier, we were kids in a candy store in the aughts and 2010's. Mind you I'm talking about agencies. There was such a damn good supply of young, white, slim, toned, pretty - conventionally beautiful - women, and a good number of them, fun little perverts, where the thought of a CBJ never even entered their pretty little heads... You could end up with your Plan C or even just pick a new girl you hadn't researched ad nauseam, and still have a high-percentage chance of coming away happy. You could call a few hours before, and still get a great girl. Which a lot of us did, upon landing / arriving in the city. No way you can do that today.
And I'm sure today's indies probably think the Isabella Desrosier's and Zoe's with an umlaut of yesteryear, who charged the same rate or slightly higher, than the agencies, were complete chumps. They weren't. Super smart girls. Loved those girls.
I think the sad bit was that, for a little while at least, Montreal seemed super "democratized" for johns. In contrast to the US. Seeing an escort wasn't a luxury. You didn't have to be a white collar worker making six figures to indulge regularly. It wasn't just the cliche married white guy in his 40's and 50's that is seemingly the norm of clientele in the US, who regularly hobbied. You'd see that at GT's. You want to talk about diversity & inclusion for johns? That was it. I think it's the regular working Montreal local who has lost out the most post-COVID. Who has to cut down on his visits. Where seeing an escort has become a "special occasion" rather than the weekly treat.
Or maybe I just don't know. And a lot of these working locals actually want older, fatter, more pierced, more tat'd, more "diverse" ladies... What the hell do I know?
Now, contrast that with fat cat liberal socialist government spenders... Like what Mr. Justin and Ms. Valerie have done, to reward the lazy and incompetent, and wreck their local economies...
Back to the topic. As I think Thor said earlier, we were kids in a candy store in the aughts and 2010's. Mind you I'm talking about agencies. There was such a damn good supply of young, white, slim, toned, pretty - conventionally beautiful - women, and a good number of them, fun little perverts, where the thought of a CBJ never even entered their pretty little heads... You could end up with your Plan C or even just pick a new girl you hadn't researched ad nauseam, and still have a high-percentage chance of coming away happy. You could call a few hours before, and still get a great girl. Which a lot of us did, upon landing / arriving in the city. No way you can do that today.
And I'm sure today's indies probably think the Isabella Desrosier's and Zoe's with an umlaut of yesteryear, who charged the same rate or slightly higher, than the agencies, were complete chumps. They weren't. Super smart girls. Loved those girls.
I think the sad bit was that, for a little while at least, Montreal seemed super "democratized" for johns. In contrast to the US. Seeing an escort wasn't a luxury. You didn't have to be a white collar worker making six figures to indulge regularly. It wasn't just the cliche married white guy in his 40's and 50's that is seemingly the norm of clientele in the US, who regularly hobbied. You'd see that at GT's. You want to talk about diversity & inclusion for johns? That was it. I think it's the regular working Montreal local who has lost out the most post-COVID. Who has to cut down on his visits. Where seeing an escort has become a "special occasion" rather than the weekly treat.
Or maybe I just don't know. And a lot of these working locals actually want older, fatter, more pierced, more tat'd, more "diverse" ladies... What the hell do I know?
I dont agree with that. I still have a lot of quality encounters. I would say as much as pre-covid. But the amount of encounters i have was reduced by a lot because the cost increased a lot lol (it doubled). You probably still have the same amount of good and bad encounters but since you dont have as many encounters as pre-covid due to cost increase, the quality seems lower as we could meet more often before and have better chance for good encounters. From my experience, i can still find beautiful women who provide good service.
Agencies are in line with inflation, I do not find the rates too high however they are often booked solid and much of it is now incalls. So even though rates are in line with inflation, it has turned into a high volume assembly line type of encounter. Girls are pressured to see many clients to maximize profits.
Where I do see a difference is in the Indys. Prices are double some even tripled. The screening, deposits makes it not too interesting anymore. The market is becoming more in line with the US. I believe OFs and other sources of income in the sex business is partly responsible. Girls got other sources of income so are being more selective and holding out for low volume high payout. It is a sellers market now since covid.
And covid changed the world forever. Businesses are in the covid mentality to jack prices up as their justification and they will never stop, once a shark tastes blood there is no stopping it, just as businesses got a taste of covid nothing will stop them. Everyone is more greedier and meaner and that has affected the sex market. I got my regulars I meet from the clubs, some I have been seeing since 7 years. If they were all gone, I doubt I will book escorts, definitely not Indys with all the screening and the low value for what is received, it is just not for me. Most likely I would be back to stripclubs and probably go to SA.
Where I do see a difference is in the Indys. Prices are double some even tripled. The screening, deposits makes it not too interesting anymore. The market is becoming more in line with the US. I believe OFs and other sources of income in the sex business is partly responsible. Girls got other sources of income so are being more selective and holding out for low volume high payout. It is a sellers market now since covid.
And covid changed the world forever. Businesses are in the covid mentality to jack prices up as their justification and they will never stop, once a shark tastes blood there is no stopping it, just as businesses got a taste of covid nothing will stop them. Everyone is more greedier and meaner and that has affected the sex market. I got my regulars I meet from the clubs, some I have been seeing since 7 years. If they were all gone, I doubt I will book escorts, definitely not Indys with all the screening and the low value for what is received, it is just not for me. Most likely I would be back to stripclubs and probably go to SA.
Why boycott?
You have a choice
Pay for pussy
Or freeplay with your hand.
It is not a boycott if you cannot afford it
I was not here in the 00 and 10's but I don't think the pretty girls just disappeared, most of them simply moved to greener pastures. With OF, streaming sites and the possibility to become an exclusive sugarbaby for the 0,1% why would they offer their time and sell their bodies to the masses and get peanuts in comparison?Back to the topic. As I think Thor said earlier, we were kids in a candy store in the aughts and 2010's. Mind you I'm talking about agencies. There was such a damn good supply of young, white, slim, toned, pretty - conventionally beautiful - women, and a good number of them, fun little perverts, where the thought of a CBJ never even entered their pretty little heads... You could end up with your Plan C or even just pick a new girl you hadn't researched ad nauseam, and still have a high-percentage chance of coming away happy. You could call a few hours before, and still get a great girl. Which a lot of us did, upon landing / arriving in the city. No way you can do that today.
And I'm sure today's indies probably think the Isabella Desrosier's and Zoe's with an umlaut of yesteryear, who charged the same rate or slightly higher, than the agencies, were complete chumps. They weren't. Super smart girls. Loved those girls.
I think the sad bit was that, for a little while at least, Montreal seemed super "democratized" for johns. In contrast to the US. Seeing an escort wasn't a luxury. You didn't have to be a white collar worker making six figures to indulge regularly. It wasn't just the cliche married white guy in his 40's and 50's that is seemingly the norm of clientele in the US, who regularly hobbied. You'd see that at GT's. You want to talk about diversity & inclusion for johns? That was it. I think it's the regular working Montreal local who has lost out the most post-COVID. Who has to cut down on his visits. Where seeing an escort has become a "special occasion" rather than the weekly treat.
Or maybe I just don't know. And a lot of these working locals actually want older, fatter, more pierced, more tat'd, more "diverse" ladies... What the hell do I know?
But the reason escorts who don't fulfill your (and my) beauty ideal can charge $1000+ an hour is because there are enough men willing to pay for it. As I mentioned in a previous post, the beauty standard most likely changed in the past two decades and those who can afford it have a different preference than you and I. Having said that I agree that those prices are outrageous as they exceed the hourly rate of top lawyers and doctors in Canada. Then again, fair play to those ladies who can charge this much.
Maybe at my next prostate exam I can negotiate my doc for a complimentary blowjob ?
Everybody tests the market including escorts and there is no reason at all why anybody should not get the maximum they can for their work, why should escorts be any different.
There is no reason at all for prices to come down as long as there are guys willing and able to pay.
Sure we would all like everything to be more affordable, overall I think we are much worse off than we have ever been since that asshole JT has been in power.
I doubt prices will come down as they never do but I do see many ladies quitting or finding a civi job or other revenue especially indies to counter balance the probable decline in available clients.
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