The Scene is very different now, isn't it?

[johnybird]

It feels like I'm living an episode of the twilight zone here lol!

With online ads, pictures, reviews & contact with other hobbyists being so readily available I would imagine it decreases your chances into meeting someone you would be disappointed with.
I've had so many great experiences, I'm really surprised to read most of the stuff on this thread

"a pig wearing lipstick and a nice dress is still a pig"? Wow, that's just wrong...

I agree that the amount of ink the girls are wearing these days is something that you have to get used to. It is what it is.

I don't really think that girls are dressing that much better or worse than the days of yesteryear. A pig wearing lipstick and a nice dress is still a pig.

Years ago you could roll the dice on a girl with no reviews or even pictures and 8 times out of 10 a really hot girl would be knocking on your hotel room door. Nowadays when you take a chance or go based on what the booker is telling you, it's more like 3 times out of 10. I always felt that it was a privilege to come to Montreal and hobby with some of the best SP's around. Now it seems like any girl with fake boobs and a less than average face can become a "legend".

Hot girls are still working as SP's in Montreal, it's just harder to find them IMHO.

 

[wolfie7]

About ten years ago, i was saying the exact same thing. I was surprised everytime an sp i'd meet would ask if we could meet privately (at no extra cost) later and the parties i attended were great. The first parties at HDLM were fantastic and a large group of hobbyists and sps would meet up for a dinner prior to attending those gatherings. Once in a while when i'd be in town, a group of hobbyists would meet up for dinner at Buena Note and we'd then each go our own way and see an sp, only to meet up a couple of hours later at a local stripclub (often it was at Teezers on Crescent st) to talk about our most recent 'conquests' until the wee hours of the morning. Back in those days, the women were so irresistable that i'd see one in the morning, one in late afternoon, and often one later in the evening....then head over to the strippers and when i'd get back at 3 am i'd call another sp. Man, those were great times! :thumb:

What i'm trying to say is that back in those days, i'd often hear veteran hobbyists say that the pre-internet days were better. They'd mention sps and agencies i had never heard of. At times, i was envious of them. But i'd always tell them that 'no way, the hobby scene is much better today than it was back then' and i'd list all of my exploits and the great people i had met through the hobby whom i remained friends (and others who disappeared completely once they 'retired' from the hobby). For me, this was the case. It was hard for me to believe that things could be better back then than they were at the time for me and others who entered the hobby at nearly the same time.

But it's one big merry-go-round and as the old saying goes, history tailgates.

Ten years from now, you'll have a crop of new hobbyists who'll flatly state that things are way better now (ten years or so from now) than they were today and that people like us who brag about how great the hobby currently is or was are all full of shit.

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They say too much of a good thing isn't necessarily good, but in my case, overdosing on sex over and over both in my private life and as a hobbyist was actually a good thing. What a great life it was, and what a great life it continues to be! Esta la vista, baby! :thumb:

(Damn, it's becoming the Twilight Zone! Doc agrees with me, I agree with Doc. Oh, the (boring) summer sports season is upon us - that's why! )

Doc hit the nail on the head. Perfectly stated. Nothing can ever replace a 'first.' Nothing replaces youth. You only evolve and refine.

I'll only add this small bit to what Doc might have hinted at: I think a "golden age" is highly personalized. There is no "true" "golden age," not in any objective sense anyway. It's the intersection of the environment the hobbyist hobbies in - SPs, prices, safety, locations, ability to visit those locations regularly - and the hobbyist himself - his budget, inclination, availability, libido, etc.. While the former can be relatively consistent across many mongers (I would argue fluctuations come for those of us that travel extensively vs locals that stay local), the latter is entirely based on the individual. 10 years ago, maybe the Montreal market was at its peak. But I was in real relationships, and, in the breaks between those, I had limited budget. I dabbled, I experimented, I learned - all-out hedonistic fun was not my objective. Even if there were 10's and I had the energy to see 5 SPs a day, I didn't and couldn't. That's no golden age. This last year or so is a high point for me. I've had some fun. I've indulged. Like never before in my 10+ years. I've been single (disappointingly so, but maybe not so much...), I've had the opportunity to travel extensively to Montreal, and one remarkable little pixie has gotten me hooked like (almost) no one else has before - pretty good confluence of factors. It's been embarrassingly fun. Fun enough even for me to step out of the shadows as a MERB lurker and post reviews here, and actually hang out at a GT or two (thank you Iggy!).

All these different factors have different trajectories, and is highly variable by individual. So, my point is: Everyone has their own "golden age." There is no right answer. To each his own.

The beauty of this hobby is we mongers can go on for a long-ass time. Up to you to define your own golden-ness. That is, until you get married, at least for me. Hahahaha...

 

[wolfie7]

With online ads, pictures, reviews & contact with other hobbyists being so readily available I would imagine it decreases your chances into meeting someone you would be disappointed with.
I've had so many great experiences, I'm really surprised to read most of the stuff on this thread

There's this crazy-ass computer program... called Photoshop. It does some amazing things, dude!

Oh, and the locals have become really good at English, too! Them marketing classes are paying off in spades! :lol:

 

[johnybird]

There's this crazy-ass computer program... called Photoshop. It does some amazing things, dude!

Oh, and the locals have become really good at English, too! Them marketing classes are paying off in spades! :lol:

LOL! Ah yes I know the capabilities of Photoshop all too well in my line of work lol!

 

[Numerati]

Possibly, but you've only been around 5 years or so. Basically, still a young hobbyist. Had you been around 10-15 years ago, i GUARANTEE that you'd be longing for the good ol' days of hobbying. Those years were golden as compared to now.

I miss the days when i used to discover gems at Montreal Girlfriends, Alissa Mtl, Freedom, Agence Fantasmes, Les Filles de M. Jacques, Maxximum, Obsession Perfection, Sweet Dreams, Heartbreakers, Douces Folies, First Time, Centerforlds, Exxxlusive, Better Half, Exxxtreme, etc. And later, Dangerous Curves, Independent Network, Eleganza, Sweet Dreams, Jardin de Madison, Mtl Gems, Asservissant (still around, but far from what it once was), etc.

How i'd love to turn back the clock and have one last encounter with the likes of Anita, Sarah, Samantha, Emilie, Emanuelle, Emma, Melanie, Marie-Eve, Evelyne, Gabrielle, Madison, Laurie, Camille, Serina, Sophie, Joelle, Crystelle and so many others. And yes, even Karyna, whom i must admit didn't create as great an impression on me as i had hoped at the time. But the business was already starting to change by then and best sps i'd seen since 1999 had either left the business or were on their way out by then.

Agree on all fronts. I have not seen all the girls the Doc listed. Only met a small fraction of what he has mentioned since I came into this in the summer of 2004. The girls you meet during this time have that tendency to emotionally and mentally shock you and you are never the same afterwards. After the encounter even if you only met her once you are shit still trying to process it all. This will go on days, weeks or even months. All that was before which you thought was important doesn't mean much and you are liberated from them. Like that civilian girl you fawned over for a good period of time and you finally able to exchange a few words with her.

Maybe during that time when the HDH market was still strong there was much more of the emphasis on presentation and the overall experience as opposed to just running through the usual GFE acronyms.

Nowadays the girls are far more liberal and open yet they don't seem to fire up that is locked up within you.

 

[PopeDover]

It's been my experience over the past 15 yrs or so that at any given time there's enough talent and enough non-talent available to prove to yourself that whatever you want to believe about the state of the scene is true.

Other than small trends in service or appearance, the biggest thing that changes over time is the man himself and his perception. If you're at least average intelligence, your mileage should improve over time, resulting in better encounters and general opinions of the ladies. On the other hand, you might a bit jaded after having sex with hundreds of beautiful women and the last girl you saw was just another hottie who wrapped her beautiful lips around your cock minutes after you met her. Only a few examples of variables of many that make it unrealizable to compare the ladies then and now whenever then was.

 

[hungry101]

That's how it goes....all the time. Sure, my hobbying likely cost me a quarter of a million dollars over the past 16 years, but i don't regret it one bit. It was a heck of a ride for the first 10 years or so.....until i discovered moderation and realized i was living the life of a multimillionaire....when i was not (at the time). But i was at my happiest during my trips to Mtl, i met some great people, and i lived out nearly every sexual fantasy i ever had. Sure, i realized i had a sex addiction, but i got a lot of pleasure out of it and it's probably why today i feel that i'm cured. They say too much of a good thing isn't necessarily good, but in my case, overdosing on sex over and over both in my private life and as a hobbyist was actually a good thing. What a great life it was, and what a great life it continues to be! Esta la vista, baby! :thumb:

Doc I think your drug analogy is pretty accurate. There is nothing like your first time.

I want you to know Doc that I have a friend that recently divorced his wife of about 16 years. Everytime I see him he tells me that his divorce to that woman was the best quarter of a million dollars he had ever spent. Unlike you he had 16 years of hell and misory from an ugly woman who pushed him around and intimidated him. You spent the same money and you had sex with 100's and 100's of hot young women. Of course, you didn't get kids (well none that you know of) but I digress.

My first trip to Montreal was May 2001 and I had an agency girl and a trip to the Grand Prix. I had paid for sex before 2001 (first time in the early 80's) and I had my first outcall experience at an outcall hotel with an agency girl in 1991. So I dabbeled. However, I did not consider myself a hobbyist until December 2006 when I had a 19 year old SP in Quebec City. 19, Skinny, and sexy. No DFk and a CBJ and I thought it was great because the girl was someone I would have loved to fuck when I was 19. I discovered MERB and TER in 2007. My experiences were great and I fell in love with every girl I saw in Montreal.

Turn the clock forward to 2014. With all the tips from friends I have recieved and the girls I have met at the parties I can cherry pick the best girls. No more blind draw. If I see a hot girl at a party I prebook her next trip. I am probably seeing hotter girls right now. The thrill is wore off a little. Now the thrill is not totally gone but I have developed a bit of a tolarence to the love drug.

 

[wolfie7]

This is why I bristle when a younger guy comes on here and asks if he should see escorts, and someone says no. It is a lot more fun for a lot of guys when they are younger, and their dicks work better, too. The refractory period was not an issue when there simply isn't a refractory period. I would never suggest that a younger guy see escorts as a substitute for girlfriends. Do both and lean how to keep the girlfriend from finding out. He might someday be that guy in his 40s or 50s who is disillusioned by the 20 year old women.

Well said, and thoroughly agreed.

This turned out to be a thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable thread. Thank you, MERB.

 

[SloCumHeat]

. . .
Is there anything more beautiful than a nice women all dressed up with nice classy dress, high heals, hair done, a little makeup and with sexy lingerie underneath...:hail: but even if she has all that she has to offer a good service if not I'll take the good provider who open the door already in lingerie

Ahh, but there was a time you got EVERTHING.

True model type looks, great body, great presentation, and sexy lingerie underneath. AND she would blow your MIND away.

Today, those types are rare, or they quickly move to HDH rates, and the service drops (nice GFE). Today the best service is provided by the GND types.

 

[PopeDover]

Today, those types are rare, or they quickly move to HDH rates

I suppose one of the tragedies of a more efficient market is that talent is rewarded.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc I think your drug analogy is pretty accurate. There is nothing like your first time.

I want you to know Doc that I have a friend that recently divorced his wife of about 16 years. Everytime I see him he tells me that his divorce to that woman was the best quarter of a million dollars he had ever spent. Unlike you he had 16 years of hell and misory from an ugly woman who pushed him around and intimidated him. You spent the same money and you had sex with 100's and 100's of hot young women. Of course, you didn't get kids (well none that you know of) but I digress.

I understand what you're friend alluded to. Speaking for myself, i was never married. However, i did have two long-term common-law relationships in the 80's and 90's. They each lasted several years. I discovered the 'hobby' a couple of years after the second 'common-law' relationship ended. I dated several women over the next 10+ years. But i got used to a bachelor life and appreciated its benefits. Back in those days, my work situation prevented me from socializing much. When i'd feel a burn-out coming, i'd take a two-week break and head to Mtl and live the great life as 'Doc Holliday'. It was very helpful for my mental health at the time and may actually have salvaged me. Long story.

What i'm trying to say is that i've experience life living in several long-term 'common-law' relationships....not much different than an officially married couple....and spent the next decade or more living as a single man. I don't really have any regrets. I've lived a great life as compared to many people i know and continue to live that great life now that i'm into my 50's. The 'hobby' and people i've met through the 'hobby' are a big part of my happiness. I count my best friends in that group. I've also realized that Montreal, a city i've been visiting since the 80's, is my favorite city ever. When i retire, i'd like to move closer to Montreal. I love the people and everything else positive that the city offers.

As Wolfie explained, the 'golden years' are different from one individual to another. Anyone remember that scene between Curly (Jack Palance) and Mitch (Billy Crystal) in the great movie 'City Slickers' when the Palance character asked Crystal what the secret of life was? The answer to that question is the same one as this one: it varies from one individual to another and that's all that counts.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Truth. WTF is up with all the ink? Don't these girls realize it's permanent and not artwork??

That said, Montreal has always been unique in this way - strips of pink in the hair, red hair, blue hair, ink, piercings in odd places. It's like all the teenage girls in Quebec want to be rebels and spite their parents. And it's generational. It's always been this way, to my memory, the ink has just gotten larger. Eastern Europeans for the most part, Asians and Latinas, at least the ones that come through Miami, tend to be pristinely free of ink. Can't comment on ghetto Asians like the Thai, which I have zero interest in.

On the flip side, more variety for everyone. Some people find Christy Mack to be attractive. I think she's trailer trash, and looks like shit. To each their own. For those of us that prefer no ink, we just have to filter some more.

I feel the same way you do in regards to 'ink'. Maybe it's because we're two old-timers (hobby-speaking) and the great women we've met over the years rarely had 'ink' on them. But i attribute its frequency due to the fact so many sps today are either strippers or former strippers.

To be honest, back in the old days, i rarely met sps who were strippers. Most of the comments i'd get in regards to this was that they preferred being escorts over being strippers since it was more personal, more private....they didn't feel comfortable getting naked in front of a bunch of people.

Today, i'd say that the majority of sps i've met were either strippers or former strippers. Or they worked in massage parlors. It's not surprising why there are so many of them in the escort business: there isn't that much money to make anymore being a stripper. There are always several girls doing extras for clients they've met in clubs and the word about the money they can make gets around.

Years ago, i had many sp friends. Several of them were actually women i'd consider dating. I had something in common with them and outside the job, many would be shocked to discover that they were doing 'sp-work' on the side. Today, many of the girls i may meet don't have much in common with me. They are younger, they have tatoos and piercings, and rarely do they have any post-secondary education. It's all about partying, blowing money and going on trips to sunny destinations. Many have 'boyfriends' who actually encourage them to be prostitutes (i wonder why...lol) and if i'd be seen in public with them, more often than not it would be rather obvious that i'm with someone i'm paying for 'favors'.

The business has changed over the years, and continues to change. Which is actually normal....

 

[gurgeh85]

I understand what you're friend alluded to. Speaking for myself, i was never married. However, i did have two long-term common-law relationships in the 80's and 90's. They each lasted several years. I discovered the 'hobby' a couple of years after the second 'common-law' relationship ended. I dated several women over the next 10+ years. But i got used to a bachelor life and appreciated its benefits. Back in those days, my work situation prevented me from socializing much. When i'd feel a burn-out coming, i'd take a two-week break and head to Mtl and live the great life as 'Doc Holliday'. It was very helpful for my mental health at the time and may actually have salvaged me. Long story.

What i'm trying to say is that i've experience life living in several long-term 'common-law' relationships....not much different than an officially married couple....and spent the next decade or more living as a single man. I don't really have any regrets. I've lived a great life as compared to many people i know and continue to live that great life now that i'm into my 50's. The 'hobby' and people i've met through the 'hobby' are a big part of my happiness. I count my best friends in that group. I've also realized that Montreal, a city i've been visiting since the 80's, is my favorite city ever. When i retire, i'd like to move closer to Montreal. I love the people and everything else positive that the city offers.

As Wolfie explained, the 'golden years' are different from one individual to another. Anyone remember that scene between Curly (Jack Palance) and Mitch (Billy Crystal) in the great movie 'City Slickers' when the Palance character asked Crystal what the secret of life was? The answer to that question is the same one as this one: it varies from one individual to another and that's all that counts.

Brilliant. Here's the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1bTe54j6PQ

 

[Merlot]

Morning Gentlemen,

Just a thought, but I wonder if a few guys in their 40s and 50s are occasionally disappointed by the current scene for the following reason. When he saw escorts a decade or so ago, the vast majority of the escorts looked like the beautiful women that the guy fantasized about fucking during the normal course of the day.

But instead he gets the tattooed, pierced wild child who plays some music he has never heard before and talks about stuff he is not familiar with. So the fantasy is not fulfilled, even though she is actually just as cute from a symmetry perspective as her older sister or mom who was in that Western Civilization class (and she does anal and fetishes, by the way, and her older sister didn't).

I don't believe the frequency of beautiful women in the escort scene has changed compared to 10 to 15 years ago by any real measure. Now we could go on and on arguing about standards of beauty and what type is more beautiful, but for arguments sake I think in this case when we are talking about "beautiful women" who fulfill fantasies we are talking about glamorous cover model types with perfect bodies. Frankly, when our blood was overheated with the passion of lust most of us could admit these types were more rare way back when than when our typically overwhelmed senses would allow us to rate them in reviews publicly. No doubt some ego affected what we reported, as well as all that other stuff we know was going on to curry favor with ladies and agencies. Sure there were some incredible beauties back then, I met a number of them myself, missed many others. But surely there was a hell of a lot of inflation about how great many women were for the reasons given and more just as there is today. We were and are all guilty of that at some point. It's natural and inevitable.

Still I think a big part of the reason older guys might believe there are fewer of these glamorous modelesque types is our own fault, we've grown up...a little. We came here to meet ladies as close to the perfect fantasy cover girls as possible like the eager narrowly visioned boys we were. We sought out those types of women and so we found them more often. For years our eyes combined with our hormones told us what we wanted just what the flood of endless photographic imagery standards told us we wanted and we were mostly very happily satisfied with that for a long time. We were happy because we common men could be like the beautiful people in the world and have the perfect fantasy as it seemed just as much as anyone. We bragged and pumped our chests about it, and that felt great.

Then a funny thing started to happen on the way to the forum. We started to notice after so many times, after the heat of the loins had subsided, what the true level of quality of experience was beyond the natural high of being intimate with these so-called "beautiful" women as displayed in the bombardment of images and realized that great imagery doesn't equate so often with real intimacy fulfillment just as most men anywhere realize eventually. We got beyond the need to act like we had to superficially prove we could be great studs with alleged modelesque paragons of beauty, especially with rising prices we in our lust encouraged for types that were great for fantasy but still not personally satisfying. We started to see that quality is not about the perfect looks of bodies or faces it's about real sensuality and personal touches that the physical alone says nothing about. Enough of us grew up and got smarter in our choices along with a natural broadening of the concepts of beauty.

On the other hand the frequency of women choosing styles that do not fit our older tastes, less dresses, flat hair, tattoos, piercings, maybe more aggressive attitudes has made us feel like women are not generally as hot as years gone by, but I think that's as much of a trick of the mind as our earlier hollow preconceptions led us to believet women were more beautiful, way back when. As someone said yesterday I think what we think the situation is is more about what expectations and preferences we bring into this business than what might be really going on.

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[traveler2010]

I think Merlot is right on target, and he is even more correct when you add another decade or so to your age. I spent my puberty stealing looks at the Playboy centerfold and remember well my first glimpse of pubic hair in that magazine. (As I said in an earlier post, I am an old fart!) That magazine pretty much defined my definition of what a beautiful woman was, pubic hair and all! (I should probably post this to the discussion thread going on about pubic hair as well) Anyway, his point, and mine too is that while it is certainly true that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, one's perception of what beauty is changes a little over time, but not nearly as much or as quickly as styles, trends, and customs, especially among women do.

 

[traveler2010]

I agree Ita, having hobbied in many cities in the U.S. and other Canadian cities, I will say that those of you who see
Primarily Montreal women don't know how good you have it! While I may not have seen as many women in Montreal as many of you, I do my homework, read reviews, and have met many beautiful and highly intelligent women there. In fact, while some are definitely better than others, I have never been really disappointed. And, over the recent past, I have found it to have gotten much better, or maybe I am just getting better at picking the best women! To all of you ladies I have met with in the past year, you were all wonderful!

 

[Numerati]

Definitely agree to the last two posts above. After hobbying in other cities especially NYC and Vegas, Montreal puts all the other cities to shame. Only other city in North America comes close is Toronto. I heard SF is up there but the prices are insane given the tech boom out there.

Also not only has the hobby has evolved throughout these years we all have evolved with it which is a good thing if we looked back and within ourselves.

 

[hungry101]

I also think with the recent GTs that are offered you can go there and see all the girls and met a few and see if there is chemistry. I went to three of the GG parties and my TDL is managable but I still have a few girls to see. I had swore off Indies (because in NAA they are a no-show ~50% of the time) but I have been compelled to see several after meeting them at the parties. Each one that showed up at the parties showed up at my hotel too for our planned session. LOL

Numerati is correct about NYC and VVegas. I have had some good times in Miami and Dallas/Houston but making a date is like Spy vs. Spy. Everyone and everything has to be vetted. Tijuana was the only thing less expensive than Montreal but I have not found the service as good. Brazil is great and so is Germany but you have to leave NA. Peolpe that say after C36 the hobby will become more like the States. If it ever does I will quit coming.

 

[R the Man]

You guys don't know how good you have it in Montreal. I have hobbied for 15 yrs, bedded hundreds of girls all over the world, and given a choice would come to Montreal every chance. The combination of youth, good looks, terrific bodies, consistent GFE service, price and reliable, easy-to-book agencies is unparalleled. I still marvel at how a 60-yr old guy like me can fuck gorgeous 20-yr old girls in every way imaginable. I used to lust after girls on the street - now I know I can call/text any time and fuck someone (almost) as gorgeous any time I want. It's a priceless privilege, and I can't wait to get back there.

Enjoy, boys!

 

[traveler2010]

Exactly right and well put...from another 60year old!