well i am told they go on pre sell on the 9th..ill do that first if not happening ill let you know igna69.....as for nil n md....the reason i ask is simple,,,all bands and event coordonators have there vip tix ....the hardest thing to have to tix so i am asking thats all ,,,,,,,,and for your info the hip is an awsome live bad and have there fan's so it will be a stampede for tix...