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Fradi, I have a question for you, in relation to your interventions in Trump's thread.

Would you stay in the US now with what is happening with the pandemic?

If yes, would you go to the Trump rallies?

If yes, would you go meet an escort?

Thank you
 

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Sincerely I hope that all the praise goes only to the scientists, they are the ones who worked extremely hard to find this vaccine.
Scientists absolutely will get the praise they deserve, but they do not deserve all of the praise. Like it or not, Operation Warp Speed initiated by President Trump is the reason we are on the cusp of having a vaccine. If the President didn't get the drug companies to get their shit together the scientists would have gone at their usual pace and sense of urgency (none) and we would be nowhere. Examples of how long it takes for a vaccine to get to market are below, slow as shit drug companies along with their slow as shit scientists moving at a snails pace. We should all be thankful for Trump and Operation Warp Speed or we wouldn't be anywhere with the vaccine:

 

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Fradi, I agree with the virus, it is Chinese.

On the other hand there is absolutely nothing ironic, people blame him only for all the misery it has caused in the United States.
Any president would have done the same to find a vaccine, say it was more for his personal glory.

Sincerely I hope that all the praise goes only to the scientists, they are the ones who worked extremely hard to find this vaccine.

Trump is the craziest science president the US has ever had.
So basically if he does something to help scientists bring a viable vaccine to market in record time he is doing it for his own glory, but any mistakes he makes is him being solely responsible for all the misery in the US.
It must be so gratifying to have him to blame, it doesn’t seem to matter much that not one state can agree with another, that governors are suing mayors for issuing mask mandates, that the population refuses to take health professional advice seriously and openly defy social distancing and wearing masks. None of these people have a brain in their head and can think for themselves they are just blindly following Trump’s advice and toasting each other with Clorox cocktails.
It is entirely his fault that there is racial prejudice in the US and that towns are being burned and looted all in the name of BLM.
There was obviously no sign of any racism when Democrats were in power.
All the police departments were suddenly corrupted And became racist in the last 4 years, they were squeaky clean for 8 years under Obama and Biden.

What will all of you do if Biden wins and people keep on dying, blame Trump of course because then it will be poor Biden inheriting a mess that he cannot possibly stutter through.
 
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Fradi, I have a question for you, in relation to your interventions in Trump's thread.

Would you stay in the US now with what is happening with the pandemic?

If yes, would you go to the Trump rallies?

If yes, would you go meet an escort?

Thank you
I happen to live in what I believe to be the best country/city in the world , so no the US would be my second choice.
I know the US quite well, I travelled all over on business and for 40 years I spent 3-4 weeks in Florida during winter, plus I have half my family living there.
I would not go to any political rallies what so ever, if I haven’t made it perfectly clear many times over, I hate all politicians and believe them to be the scum of the earth and that includes Trump.
I do believe even now that he is the lesser of 2 evils and will be better for the economy than Biden( who by the way is also a lying scumbag along with his whole family).
The economy is taking a hit like never before and I think Trump will be much better to revive it than Biden.
Going to meet an escort I am not sure what you mean I have seen my ATF whenever she was available after a 4 month total isolation when I only ventured out for a 1 hour walk each day.
So yes I will not do this total isolation anymore, I have found I need to see my family sometimes in the flesh not just on FaceTime and the same goes for my ATF if she is willing to see me.
 
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but any mistakes he makes is him being solely responsible

It must be so gratifying to have him to blame, it doesn’t seem to matter much that not one state can agree with another, that governors are suing mayors for issuing mask mandates, that the population refuses to take health professional advice seriously and openly defy social distancing and wearing masks. None of these people have a brain in their head and can think for themselves they are just blindly following Trump’s advice and toasting each other with Clorox cocktails.


What will all of you do if Biden wins and people keep on dying, blame Trump of course because then it will be poor Biden inheriting a mess that he cannot possibly stutter through.

Fradi, seriously, I read all your posts, you appear me as a smart, rational man, in short a good guy, but when it comes to Trump you lose all your good judgment.

That said, you say it yourself: any mistake he makes is that he is solely responsible, well yes it's he who made it. Fradi I am able to bring myself to your level.

Yes, he is to blame if the country is in trouble, if the hospitals are overflowing, because he lied to us from the start, he doesn't advocate the wearing of a mask, nor social distanciating, he endorses white supremacists and groups extremists, he manipulates his base in which I have no credibility.

Yes, I thought about it, I wish Biden wins, and in my wildest dreams, that Trump stays to handle the pandemic, because no on November 04 it will not go away, and Trump has managed so badly that the US will be in shit for a long time to come.
 
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I happen to live in what I believe to be the best country/city in the world , so no the US would be my second choice.
I know the US quite well, I travelled all over on business and for 40 years I spent 3-4 weeks in Florida during winter, plus I have half my family living there.
I would not go to any political rallies what so ever, if I haven’t made it perfectly clear many times over, I hate all politicians and believe them to be the scum of the earth and that includes Trump.
I do believe even now that he is the lesser of 2 evils and will be better for the economy than Biden( who by the way is also a lying scumbag along with his whole family).
The economy is taking a hit like never before and I think Trump will be much better to revive it than Biden.
Going to meet an escort I am not sure what you mean I have seen my ATF whenever she was available after a 4 month total isolation when I only ventured out for a 1 hour walk each day.
So yes I will not do this total isolation anymore, I have found I need to see my family sometimes in the flesh not just on FaceTime and the same goes for my ATF if she is willing to see me.

I wasn't talking about your ATF from here, I was talking about young American female escorts?

Hey, I'll give you my answer: even if it was free I wouldn't go, there are too many young people partying here, so nothing is controlled there. I care about my life.

Yesterday, they only had 72,000 new cases, and 500 deaths, and Trump again said they're doing a good job.
 
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Yes, he is to blame if the country is in trouble, if the hospitals are overflowing, because he lied to us from the start, he doesn't advocate the wearing of a mask, nor social distanciating, he endorses white supremacists and groups extremists, he manipulates his base in which I have no credibility.

Yes, I thought about it, I wish Biden wins, and in my wildest dreams, that Trump stays to handle the pandemic, because no on November 04 it will not go away, and Trump has managed so badly that the US will be in shit for a long time to come.

I am simply not as gullible as you are to think that Biden is any less corrupt or a scumbag than Trump.
I don’t dispute that Trump made and is making many mistakes in the handling of this pandemic mainly because there is no tried and right way to handle it as it has never happened before.
This virus is running rampant through many countries around the world, nobody is prepared for this and neither is Biden.
You think this stuttering old fool who has trouble remembering his own name is going to do better because CNN and the whole Democratic controlled media is bombarding you with biased news and videos which you keep quoting is going to make the difference.

This will not end until there is a cure or vaccine and again I believe Trump is the better choice to achieve that than Biden.
He is a pushy and belligerent ass hole that will crush people who stand in the way of getting a viable vaccine out quickly.
He is also the better choice to revive the economy.

It is not a choice about who has the better character or even who is a better person ( I think they are about equal in the asshole category).
This BS about him being racist and supporting white nationalists, how many time does he have to publicly denounce them.
You really think the tearing down of statues and the burning of confederate flags is going to wipe out racism in the US or even put a dent in it.

I think you mean well but you are a captive of CNN like media blitz orchestrated by the left.
I don’t buy into their political correctness bullshit, nor am I ashamed of being born white and I will not take responsibility for something I hadn’t done nor have any of my ancestors.
I am not a racist I treat people with respect based on their acts not on their colour or political leanings.
Perhaps I have just been around too much lived in different countries, know the value of freedom and free speech and not impressed by any scumbag politician on either side.
 
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I am simply not as gullible as you are to think that Biden is any less corrupt or a scumbag than Trump.
I don’t dispute that Trump made and is making many mistakes in the handling of this pandemic mainly because there is no tried and right way to handle it as it has never happened before.
This virus is running rampant through many countries around the world, nobody is prepared for this and neither is Biden.
You think this stuttering old fool who has trouble remembering his own name is going to do better because CNN and the whole Democratic controlled media is bombarding you with biased news and videos which you keep quoting is going to make the difference.

This will not end until there is a cure or vaccine and again I believe Trump is the better choice to achieve that than Biden.
He is a pushy and belligerent ass hole that will crush people who stand in the way of getting a viable vaccine out quickly.
He is also the better choice to revive the economy.

It is not a choice about who has the better character or even who is a better person ( I think they are about equal in the asshole category).
This BS about him being racist and supporting white nationalists, how many time does he have to publicly denounce them.
You really think the tearing down of statues and the burning of confederate flags is going to wipe out racism in the US or even put a dent in it.

I think you mean well but you are a captive of CNN like media blitz orchestrated by the left.
I don’t buy into their political correctness bullshit, nor am I ashamed of being born white and I will not take responsibility for something I hadn’t done nor have any of my ancestors.
I am not a racist I treat people with respect based on their acts not on their colour or political leanings.
Perhaps I have just been around too much lived in different countries, know the value of freedom and free speech and not impressed by any scumbag politician on either side.

Fradi you are a real politician, I just gave you the worst compliment, I am teasing you, and I understand your point of view.

If you had lost someone close maybe you too would be aggressive like me.
 

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I wasn't talking about your ATF from here, I was talking about young American female escorts?

Hey, I'll give you my answer: even if it was free I wouldn't go, there are too many young people partying here, so nothing is controlled there. I care about my life.

Yesterday, they only had 72,000 new cases, and 500 deaths, and Trump again said they're doing a good job.
Again you are letting yourself be influenced by bull shit.
Young people here also party and you seeing your ATF is putting you at risk just like me seeing mine, statistically not much more than if you would be seeing an escort in the US.
That is unless your ATF is seeing you exclusively and then is totally isolated from everybody else which I doubt is the case.

I have never hobbied in the US and never will but not because of the virus but because it is much more dangerous as far as LE, much more complicated and much more expensive. Why when it is so much easier here.

Let me remind you that Quebec has 1000 new cases everyday with around 20 deaths also so you are not totally safe here either.
We all care about our life and hopefully about the lives of others as well and try to manage as best we can.
 

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Fradi you are a real politician, I just gave you the worst compliment, I am teasing you, and I understand your point of view.

If you had lost someone close maybe you too would be aggressive like me.
I am sorry for your loss but you think all this venom aimed at Trump is going to make you feel better.
Trust me I know what it is like to lose the person you love the most in your life not to the virus but that doesn’t change anything.
 

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the population refuses to take health professional advice seriously and openly defy social distancing and wearing masks
Not exactly.

Despite noisy no-mask protests, 92 percent of 2,200 Americans polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do.

And again, it is all Trump's fault, his catching the virus apparently was nothing but a desperate CYA measure:

American attitudes and their usage of masks have shifted broadly as President Trump has been hospitalized for COVID-19, a National Geographic and Morning Consult poll taken over the weekend has found.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...isan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/
 

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Not exactly.

Despite noisy no-mask protests, 92 percent of 2,200 Americans polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do.

And again, it is all Trump's fault, his catching the virus apparently was nothing but a desperate CYA measure:

American attitudes and their usage of masks have shifted broadly as President Trump has been hospitalized for COVID-19, a National Geographic and Morning Consult poll taken over the weekend has found.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...isan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/
Shame on him for intentionally catching the virus and trying to get the sympathy vote.
The length politicians will go to today.
He managed to fuck this up too though, he should have dramatized it better pretending to come closer to death.
Then saying he is not afraid of the virus, bad advice again. If he would have started stuttering and mispronouncing words like Biden he would have fared much better.
Another couple of advisers will be fired I am sure for this screw up.
 
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He managed to fuck this up too though, he should have dramatized it better pretending to come closer to death.
Agree 100%, he fucked up big time. As soon as he heard about the virus, it was his duty to deliver an Oval Office address and inform the population that whoever does not get their ass to the store within the next 15 minutes will never see toilet paper again in their (mercifully short) life.
 

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I may be wrong but my take is that he knows what he is doing! Very smart In my opinion.
He will loose ,rep will keep the senate imho. He has literally fkn up the economy while createing a covid health delima that will take years to correct , leaving a widely divisive people behind him as well that will not heal.
So when he comes back and he will! ,he will say i told you so .
The dems are in deep shit.
 
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I may be wrong but my take is that he knows what he is doing! Very smart In my opinion.
He will loose ,rep will keep the senate imho. He has literally fkn up the economy while createing a covid health delima that will take years to correct , leaving a widely divisive people behind him as well that will not heal.
So when he comes back and he will! ,he will say i told you so .
The dems are in deep shit.

If I understand what you are saying, you think that the GOP is aiming to tank the economy, make COVID worse and do their best to obstruct and block any attempt by Biden to fix it so that they can come back and say "See! only we can save you!"

And either Trump or his Kid will be the "new savior".
 
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When his skyscraper proved a disappointment, Donald Trump defaulted on his loans, sued his bank, got much of the debt forgiven — and largely avoided

How Trump Maneuvered His Way Out of Trouble in Chicago
When his skyscraper proved a disappointment, Donald Trump defaulted on his loans, sued his bank, got much of the debt forgiven — and largely avoided paying taxes on it.

Oct. 27, 2020 - New York Times
The financial crisis was in full swing when Donald J. Trump traveled to Chicago in late September 2008 to mark the near-completion of his 92-floor skyscraper.

The fortunes of big companies, small businesses and millions of Americans — including the Trumps — were in peril. But the family patriarch was jubilant as he stood on the terrace of his gleaming glass tower. “We’re in love with the building,” Mr. Trump gushed. “We’re very, very happy with what’s happened with respect to this building and how fast we put it up.” He and his family hoped the Trump International Hotel & Tower would cement their company’s reputation as one of the world’s marquee developers of luxury real estate.

Instead, the skyscraper became another disappointment in a portfolio filled with them. Construction lagged. Condos proved hard to sell. Retail space sat vacant.

Yet for Mr. Trump and his company, the Chicago experience also turned out to be something else: the latest example of his ability to strong-arm major financial institutions and exploit the tax code to cushion the blow of his repeated business failures.

The president’s federal income tax records, obtained by The New York Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast majority was related to the Chicago project. How Mr. Trump found trouble in Chicago and maneuvered his way out of it, is a case study in doing business the Trump way.

When the project encountered problems, he tried to walk away from his huge debts. For most individuals or businesses, that would have been a recipe for ruin. But tax-return data, other records and interviews show that rather than warring with a notoriously litigious and headline-seeking client, lenders cut Mr. Trump slack — exactly what he seemed to have been counting on.

Big banks and hedge funds gave him years of extra time to repay his debts. Even after Mr. Trump sued his largest lender, accusing it of preying on him, the bank agreed to lend him another $99 million — more than twice as much as was previously known — so that he could pay back what he still owed the bank on the defaulted Chicago loan, records show.
Ultimately, Mr. Trump’s lenders forgave much of what he owed.

Those forgiven debts are now part of a broader investigation of Mr. Trump’s business by the New York attorney general. They normally would have generated a big tax bill, since the Internal Revenue Service treats canceled debts as income. Yet as has often happened in his long career, Mr. Trump appears to have paid almost no federal income tax on that money, in part because of large losses in his other businesses, The Times’s analysis of his tax records found.

Alan Garten, the Trump Organization’s chief legal officer, said the company and Mr. Trump appropriately accounted for and paid all taxes due on the forgiven debts. “These were all arm’s length transactions that were voluntarily entered into between sophisticated parties many years ago in the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis and the resulting collapse of the real estate markets,” Mr. Garten said.

On television back in those heady Chicago days, the future president was playing a wildly successful real estate developer, and the shimmering new skyscraper became part of that mystique. It was the biggest thing Mr. Trump ever built. It was also the last.

Much more details at https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html#click=https://t.co/Cp9x0wSCYn
 
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I may be wrong but my take is that he knows what he is doing! Very smart In my opinion.
He will loose ,rep will keep the senate imho. He has literally fkn up the economy while createing a covid health delima that will take years to correct , leaving a widely divisive people behind him as well that will not heal.
So when he comes back and he will! ,he will say i told you so .
The dems are in deep shit.

Your hypothesis is interesting, but ...
1) He's not smart enough for that, yes, his mind is so corrupt but...
2) He can't shoot himself in the foot to lose, because he's a narcissist.
3) Yes, he managed the crisis so badly that the economy is at its lowest.
4) So it will take years for the US to restore its image, that the task will be impossible, both for him and for Biden.
5) Biden is unlikely to finish his term, and his successor will have more options (Mme Harris).
6) During those 4 years he won't be able to be low profile, which even Republicans won't want him.
7) Trump is too unforeseen.
 

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When his skyscraper proved a disappointment, Donald Trump defaulted on his loans, sued his bank, got much of the debt forgiven — and largely avoided

How Trump Maneuvered His Way Out of Trouble in Chicago
When his skyscraper proved a disappointment, Donald Trump defaulted on his loans, sued his bank, got much of the debt forgiven — and largely avoided paying taxes on it.

Oct. 27, 2020 - New York Times
The financial crisis was in full swing when Donald J. Trump traveled to Chicago in late September 2008 to mark the near-completion of his 92-floor skyscraper.

The fortunes of big companies, small businesses and millions of Americans — including the Trumps — were in peril. But the family patriarch was jubilant as he stood on the terrace of his gleaming glass tower. “We’re in love with the building,” Mr. Trump gushed. “We’re very, very happy with what’s happened with respect to this building and how fast we put it up.” He and his family hoped the Trump International Hotel & Tower would cement their company’s reputation as one of the world’s marquee developers of luxury real estate.

Instead, the skyscraper became another disappointment in a portfolio filled with them. Construction lagged. Condos proved hard to sell. Retail space sat vacant.

Yet for Mr. Trump and his company, the Chicago experience also turned out to be something else: the latest example of his ability to strong-arm major financial institutions and exploit the tax code to cushion the blow of his repeated business failures.

The president’s federal income tax records, obtained by The New York Times, show for the first time that, since 2010, his lenders have forgiven about $287 million in debt that he failed to repay. The vast majority was related to the Chicago project. How Mr. Trump found trouble in Chicago and maneuvered his way out of it, is a case study in doing business the Trump way.

When the project encountered problems, he tried to walk away from his huge debts. For most individuals or businesses, that would have been a recipe for ruin. But tax-return data, other records and interviews show that rather than warring with a notoriously litigious and headline-seeking client, lenders cut Mr. Trump slack — exactly what he seemed to have been counting on.

Big banks and hedge funds gave him years of extra time to repay his debts. Even after Mr. Trump sued his largest lender, accusing it of preying on him, the bank agreed to lend him another $99 million — more than twice as much as was previously known — so that he could pay back what he still owed the bank on the defaulted Chicago loan, records show.
Ultimately, Mr. Trump’s lenders forgave much of what he owed.

Those forgiven debts are now part of a broader investigation of Mr. Trump’s business by the New York attorney general. They normally would have generated a big tax bill, since the Internal Revenue Service treats canceled debts as income. Yet as has often happened in his long career, Mr. Trump appears to have paid almost no federal income tax on that money, in part because of large losses in his other businesses, The Times’s analysis of his tax records found.

Alan Garten, the Trump Organization’s chief legal officer, said the company and Mr. Trump appropriately accounted for and paid all taxes due on the forgiven debts. “These were all arm’s length transactions that were voluntarily entered into between sophisticated parties many years ago in the aftermath of the 2008 global financial crisis and the resulting collapse of the real estate markets,” Mr. Garten said.

On television back in those heady Chicago days, the future president was playing a wildly successful real estate developer, and the shimmering new skyscraper became part of that mystique. It was the biggest thing Mr. Trump ever built. It was also the last.

Much more details at https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/business/trump-chicago-taxes.html#click=https://t.co/Cp9x0wSCYn

But that’s why he’s the man! He’s no chump! U pay taxes, not him ($375 is it). Dave, maybe you and everyone else isn’t as successful as Trumpy because you all “don’t want to succeed in life as much”? Don’t hate the playa, hate the game??

 
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I have a joke:
What is the resemblance between Donald Trump and noughts and crosses?
Both attach to the parts. :)
 
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