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Meanwhile, it appears as though Steve Moore will never play again.
Meanwhile, it appears as though Steve Moore will never play again.
Todd Bertuzzi Reinstated By NHL!
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Has Moore filed suit?
Are we to take it that Moores' lawyer is in full attack mode and civil suit will be filed against Bertuzzi? I'm sure Moore has some money but if he never plays again he stands to lose millions. Shouldn't Bertuzzi have to make this up to him? Will the league or the Avalanche take care of Moores medical bills long term and will he get some kind of disability insurance payout?
Are we to take it that Moores' lawyer is in full attack mode and civil suit will be filed against Bertuzzi? I'm sure Moore has some money but if he never plays again he stands to lose millions. Shouldn't Bertuzzi have to make this up to him? Will the league or the Avalanche take care of Moores medical bills long term and will he get some kind of disability insurance payout?
I think he deserves a second chance. Everyone has friends that they will stick up for and go to extreme messures for them. I mean if I saw some guy pestering one of my good friends on the ice, I'd take him out too. My temper may not be as bad as his so I wouldn't go that extreme, but I would make sure I took him out good.
On another note, looks like Florda wants Ryder for Luongo... IMO, I think we should stick with Ryder because for his first season in the NHL, he carried some of the weight on his shoulders, but on the other hand, I'm not a big fan of Theo, hes hot, hes not, hes hot etc etc. Luongo is a big goalie and with the pad size change, he might be a good pickup. What do you guys think?
On another note, looks like Florda wants Ryder for Luongo... IMO, I think we should stick with Ryder because for his first season in the NHL, he carried some of the weight on his shoulders, but on the other hand, I'm not a big fan of Theo, hes hot, hes not, hes hot etc etc. Luongo is a big goalie and with the pad size change, he might be a good pickup. What do you guys think?
HolyHell said:
Moore wasn't bothering anyone during the game. Bertuzzi was hunting him all night and finally decided to jump him from behind when he couldn't get him to fight. If, as it seems, Moore can never play again it would be justified for Bertuzzi to be sued in civil court. I feel that Bertuzzi should not have been re-instated until Moore's final condition is known. If he can never play again then let Bertuzzi sell hotdogs at the concession stand.
Has everyone forgotten about who Steve Moore is??? What Bertuzzi did was wrong BUT Moore is no angel either, he has given 10X the amount of cheap shots in his career than Bertuzzi ever will. It is terrible what happened to Moore and I hope he will fully recover, but enough is enough what Todd Bertuzzi did would not even make the 20 DIRTIEST HITS of all time in the NHL (yes the resulting injury was horrible but not the hit itself).
It's funny how radio hosts and reporters (guys who talk about playing) seem to think that Bertuzzi should be suspended for ever, but guys like Gretzky, and Robinson (guys who actually played the game) agree that he should be back playing. One last note Todd Bertuzzi has been banned from playing hockey anywhere in the world since the incident, last year during the lockout the IIHF held up the NHL's suspension and would not allow him to play anywhere - In my opinion he has done his time.
HolyHell,
Would it be Ryder & Theodore for Luongo? if this is the case I don't like the trade - But what do you think about Ribero & Theodore for Lecavalier?.
It's funny how radio hosts and reporters (guys who talk about playing) seem to think that Bertuzzi should be suspended for ever, but guys like Gretzky, and Robinson (guys who actually played the game) agree that he should be back playing. One last note Todd Bertuzzi has been banned from playing hockey anywhere in the world since the incident, last year during the lockout the IIHF held up the NHL's suspension and would not allow him to play anywhere - In my opinion he has done his time.
HolyHell,
Would it be Ryder & Theodore for Luongo? if this is the case I don't like the trade - But what do you think about Ribero & Theodore for Lecavalier?.
Actually, if I remember correctly, Bertuzzi went after Moore for what he had did to Naslund (his good friend). Naslund was out for 3 games with a concussion. Bertuzzi held a grudge against Moore for what he did (cheap shot on Naslund). He admitted it was extreme, but like spin said, I've watched Moore play, and have to say, he had it coming.
I'm not sure of all the details, or if it will even happen. Saw it in the Gazette this morning, could be a rumor (wouldn't surpize me). Alls I know is that they were interested in Ryder for Luongo. Ryder and Theo for Luongo would be a bad move by Gainey, and I don't think Gainey is that stupid. Personally, I hate Ribero. What he did during the playoffs with the jersey was rediculious, he should have been suspended. I find he tries to make to many fancy moves, go play soccer or something. Ribero & Theo for Lecavalier would be awsum. Huett has proven that he can stand his ground in nets under pressure during the Boston series, so I'm not to worried about losing Theo.
I'm not sure of all the details, or if it will even happen. Saw it in the Gazette this morning, could be a rumor (wouldn't surpize me). Alls I know is that they were interested in Ryder for Luongo. Ryder and Theo for Luongo would be a bad move by Gainey, and I don't think Gainey is that stupid. Personally, I hate Ribero. What he did during the playoffs with the jersey was rediculious, he should have been suspended. I find he tries to make to many fancy moves, go play soccer or something. Ribero & Theo for Lecavalier would be awsum. Huett has proven that he can stand his ground in nets under pressure during the Boston series, so I'm not to worried about losing Theo.
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Steve Moore
Actually I am very aware of what kind of player Moore was. And the operative word is was. He was hunted down and assaulted by Bertuzzi. He will never play another game again. I really don't care who the injured player is. By your logic, if one of Steve Moores' friends takes it on himself to put Bertuzzi out of the game permanently then that's ok. Every player on the ice deserves the same protection from the system. If he had ended the carreer of a top player such as Mario Lemieux you can be sure he would never play another game. I don't mind fighting in hockey but this was an assault and I really hope that no one tries to avenge Steve Moore. The only good thing about this is that now he'll have the money to pay off the civil suit that is sure to follow.
Actually I am very aware of what kind of player Moore was. And the operative word is was. He was hunted down and assaulted by Bertuzzi. He will never play another game again. I really don't care who the injured player is. By your logic, if one of Steve Moores' friends takes it on himself to put Bertuzzi out of the game permanently then that's ok. Every player on the ice deserves the same protection from the system. If he had ended the carreer of a top player such as Mario Lemieux you can be sure he would never play another game. I don't mind fighting in hockey but this was an assault and I really hope that no one tries to avenge Steve Moore. The only good thing about this is that now he'll have the money to pay off the civil suit that is sure to follow.
I think one other poster already has hit the nail on the head. I have a feeling that Moore and his attorney at the reinstatement hearing in April did not oppose reinstatement so that Bertuzzi can make the money necessary to pay the proceeds of the civil suit. If Moore cannot play again his civil suit is worth many millions of dollars and Bertuzzi has to get back to work so he can pay off that settlement (or judgment in case the civil suit goes to trial). I guarantee you Moore's attorneys told him not to oppose reinstatement at that hearing. Moore needs Bertuzzi out there hitting hard and making some cash.
Would it be Ryder & Theodore for Luongo? if this is the case I don't like the trade - But what do you think about Ribero & Theodore for Lecavalier?.[/QUOTE]
That leaves the Habs with no goalie and trading for a guy who will be a free agent within the next couple of years and has openly said he wants to play in Montreal.
I love Theodore but like someone else pointed out, he is up and down and Luongo is more consistent....but I don't know if I would give Theodore AND Ryder for him. Theodore can be just as good when he is on, but it can be a gamble at times.
That leaves the Habs with no goalie and trading for a guy who will be a free agent within the next couple of years and has openly said he wants to play in Montreal.
I love Theodore but like someone else pointed out, he is up and down and Luongo is more consistent....but I don't know if I would give Theodore AND Ryder for him. Theodore can be just as good when he is on, but it can be a gamble at times.
The players contracts kept running. If a player had 3 years left on his contract, he now has two in spite of the lockout. The same applys for Bertuzzi's suspension then.
Actually acco, there is still Huett who I said in an earlier post, has proven he can stand his ground in nets under pressure. I like the way Huett plays. But like you said, Theo and Ryder is a bit much for Luongo. Although, if you look at the team Luongo had in front of him and how he managed to keep his GAA not far behind Theo, that is pretty impressive. Face it, Flordia had to be the 2nd worst team 2003-2004 next to the pens heh.
Actually acco, there is still Huett who I said in an earlier post, has proven he can stand his ground in nets under pressure. I like the way Huett plays. But like you said, Theo and Ryder is a bit much for Luongo. Although, if you look at the team Luongo had in front of him and how he managed to keep his GAA not far behind Theo, that is pretty impressive. Face it, Flordia had to be the 2nd worst team 2003-2004 next to the pens heh.
If I remember correctly, the Moore-Bertuzzi incident occured in Vancouver GM Place ? And not on US soil ? This has huge implications as to the area of jurisdiction...
The incident is very unfortunate... that was caused indirectly by the degradation of the game due to poor officiating... I mean who has not watched Mario Lemieux carry 1-2 players on his back and still score ? The hockey game can still be a physical game without all the hooking, tripping and outright attempt at injuring the best players and goalies...
Moore injured Naslund - it was a legal hit yet dirty, resulting in a concussion on the Canucks captain. Moore is not in the NHL due to his hockey skills, but his dirty style of play. You reap what you sow. If Moore decided to fight off Bertuzzi who chased him all night long, the scenario would have been different, albeit Moore would have ended up with a broken nose probably...
The incident is very unfortunate... that was caused indirectly by the degradation of the game due to poor officiating... I mean who has not watched Mario Lemieux carry 1-2 players on his back and still score ? The hockey game can still be a physical game without all the hooking, tripping and outright attempt at injuring the best players and goalies...
Moore injured Naslund - it was a legal hit yet dirty, resulting in a concussion on the Canucks captain. Moore is not in the NHL due to his hockey skills, but his dirty style of play. You reap what you sow. If Moore decided to fight off Bertuzzi who chased him all night long, the scenario would have been different, albeit Moore would have ended up with a broken nose probably...
I tried.. I really tried to stay out of this issue again. I have read the crap about marginal player vs a good player...
Excuse me? They are both Canadian Citizens, and they are acting under Canadian laws.
This site expresses my viewpoint on what I think about the ordeal.
http://www.sperts.net/editorial.php?page=61&author=Jim Margalus
Every team has their instigator and their enforcers. It is unfortunate that Moore is fucked for life. "Its just bad luck?" because he was just a starting instigator... Team motivation ganking for a legal hit that NHL reviewed on Canucks star player that requested no retribution be done.
If Adam Deadmarsh CO put Bertuzzi or lets say Cook in the hospital like that the Canucks would have wanted to lynch him.
I have heard of people killing people in a bar fight (US). They did their time, even if it was not intended. They got civil and criminal charge(s).
Instead of people seeing a good player vs a bad player, or American Team vs Canadian Team.. Look at this way, a young man had his career ended by the hands of a fairly talented veteran. Both citizens of the same country, playing a game that normally goes fist to cuffs and the incident was team inspired/sanctioned. But to what level? Donald Brashere had the same 'ganking' to him, he didn't get a broken neck and no one is listening to the warning about 18 months away from hockey for this?
1 career ended, 1 bad spot on hockey.
I hope that civil suit is negotiated away from the press, and Bertuzzi plays with Moores old number on his sleeve.
As far as law enforcement in hockey, I believe they belong... and I like them stepping in when its warranted. I wouldn't want one a lunatic of a hockey player get his retribution with a handgun on the ice.
Excuse me? They are both Canadian Citizens, and they are acting under Canadian laws.
This site expresses my viewpoint on what I think about the ordeal.
http://www.sperts.net/editorial.php?page=61&author=Jim Margalus
Every team has their instigator and their enforcers. It is unfortunate that Moore is fucked for life. "Its just bad luck?" because he was just a starting instigator... Team motivation ganking for a legal hit that NHL reviewed on Canucks star player that requested no retribution be done.
If Adam Deadmarsh CO put Bertuzzi or lets say Cook in the hospital like that the Canucks would have wanted to lynch him.
I have heard of people killing people in a bar fight (US). They did their time, even if it was not intended. They got civil and criminal charge(s).
Instead of people seeing a good player vs a bad player, or American Team vs Canadian Team.. Look at this way, a young man had his career ended by the hands of a fairly talented veteran. Both citizens of the same country, playing a game that normally goes fist to cuffs and the incident was team inspired/sanctioned. But to what level? Donald Brashere had the same 'ganking' to him, he didn't get a broken neck and no one is listening to the warning about 18 months away from hockey for this?
1 career ended, 1 bad spot on hockey.
I hope that civil suit is negotiated away from the press, and Bertuzzi plays with Moores old number on his sleeve.
As far as law enforcement in hockey, I believe they belong... and I like them stepping in when its warranted. I wouldn't want one a lunatic of a hockey player get his retribution with a handgun on the ice.
HockeyFan4MSOG said:
Calling other people' s opinion "crap" doesnt reinforce the quality of your editorial...
And Moore filed a lawsuit in a **Denver District Court** months ago excuse me FYI for civil conspiracy, assault, battery and negligence and targeted
Canucks forward Brad May, Canucks coach Marc Crawford, former Vancouver GM Brian Burke, plus the partnership that owns the team... do you think that US Justice will have jurisprudence and application here in Canada
It will be very intertesting to follow... Canadian Justice reached a plea bargain already with Bertuzzi... And what do you think about Naslund filing a lawsuit himself as well ?
FunLuver said:
Point taken... I didn't mean this thread persay since this happened back in 2004.
Naslund had it reviewed.. and if he wants to he can seek his one week of compensation. I would love it.. In fact its in agreement with me, I don't pay to watch the likes of Joe Sakic or other stars of the moment get capped in the kneecapped by thugs.
No offense taken ... I just wish that the NHL officiating to be more protective of its star players ... minus goons on their backs or smack right up on their foreheads ... the game can still be a physical game... just like the great games we watched Flames vs Canucks last playoffs... no major incidents, just fast-paced hockey with thunderous legal and clean checks.
EDIT : The NHL is back ! Pens are looking pretty mighty IMO
Still Go HABS GO !
Leafs are getting left behind
... I just wish that the NHL officiating to be more protective of its star players ... minus goons on their backs or smack right up on their foreheads ... the game can still be a physical game... just like the great games we watched Flames vs Canucks last playoffs... no major incidents, just fast-paced hockey with thunderous legal and clean checks.EDIT : The NHL is back ! Pens are looking pretty mighty IMO
Still Go HABS GO !
Leafs are getting left behind
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I am not too familiar with Canadian law but I am not sure I understand why a pending civil suit should have anything to do with whether someone gets on the ice. I have never heard of a civil lawsuit being the cause of extending a suspenion in any sport.
Adam Deadmarsh
Adam Deadmarsh was traded from
Colorado to Los Angeles in the Rob
Blake trade in 2001.
About 20 games into the 2002-03
season he suffered a sever concussion
in a fight with Ed Jovanovski of
the Vancouver Canucks and has not
been cleared to play since.
Presently he is an unrestricted free
agent but it seems that his career
is over.
HockeyFan4MSOG said:
Adam Deadmarsh was traded from
Colorado to Los Angeles in the Rob
Blake trade in 2001.
About 20 games into the 2002-03
season he suffered a sever concussion
in a fight with Ed Jovanovski of
the Vancouver Canucks and has not
been cleared to play since.
Presently he is an unrestricted free
agent but it seems that his career
is over.
Former Oiler and NY Rangers' defenceman Jeff Beukaboom was blind-sided and crosschecked at the back of his head by LA Kings goon Matt Johnson in one game. Beukaboom never played hockey again and still suffers from post-concussion syndrome since. That occurred several years ago, possibly 5. Johnson served a lenient suspension and is still playing hockey today. That hit was meant to injure and was unprovoked. Bertuzzi's hit was meant to hurt (but not necessarily injure) a dirty 'rat' of a hockey player who had tried to injure the opposing team's star player a week or so earlier. It was a provoked act. End of story.
Yep, who was his replacement as the new instigator/brawler for CO since 2001?
Deadmarsh is BC, Canadian born... was stretching to make the "spirit of BC"
But its beside the point... Moore is canadian, so it can't be for the "pride" of Canada that they almost murdered him.
I should have wrote:
If Adam Deadmarsh was playing CO and put Bertuzzi or lets say Cook in the hospital like that the Canucks would have wanted to lynch him, and forget he came from the fucking area.
I guess they already did.
Ouch, you think his career really is over!! I need more western conference news
Thanks for the status.
Deadmarsh is BC, Canadian born... was stretching to make the "spirit of BC"
But its beside the point... Moore is canadian, so it can't be for the "pride" of Canada that they almost murdered him.
I should have wrote:
If Adam Deadmarsh was playing CO and put Bertuzzi or lets say Cook in the hospital like that the Canucks would have wanted to lynch him, and forget he came from the fucking area.
I guess they already did.
Ouch, you think his career really is over!! I need more western conference news
Thanks for the status.
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