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Womaniser

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This is the usual left line lol
Everything that was good under Trump he inherited from Obama.
Everything bad under Biden he inherited from Trump.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with that must be anti Democratic, getting his news from fake news media, and of course uneducated and a MAGA fanatic who should be locked up.

Perhaps it would be great if they actually did something on their own that they could be proud of. What would they do without having a Trump around to blame everything on.

If you read my post, you should have seen that I spoke only on economy !
 
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This is the usual left line lol
Everything that was good under Trump he inherited from Obama.
Everything bad under Biden he inherited from Trump.
Anyone who doesn’t agree with that must be anti Democratic, getting his news from fake news media, and of course uneducated and a MAGA fanatic who should be locked up.

Perhaps it would be great if they actually did something on their own that they could be proud of. What would they do without having a Trump around to blame everything on.
I disagree. Trump has been rightfully blamed for what he did and how he acted in office. Namely: abuse of power, obstruction of congress, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to defraud the US, attempting to overturn an election and illegally stay in power, dividing the country, investigating and punishing his political rivals and opponents, botching the response to covid. Shall I go on? We don't need to invent any faux blame. And it's accurate to state that trump inherited a strong, stable economy and did nothing to maintain that economy. Rather he weakened the economy, at least for the poor and middle class, with tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and for corporations.
 

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I disagree. Trump has been rightfully blamed for what he did and how he acted in office. Namely: abuse of power, obstruction of congress, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to defraud the US, attempting to overturn an election and illegally stay in power, dividing the country, investigating and punishing his political rivals and opponents, botching the response to covid. Shall I go on? We don't need to invent any faux blame. And it's accurate to state that trump inherited a strong, stable economy and did nothing to maintain that economy. Rather he weakened the economy, at least for the poor and middle class, with tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and for corporations.
You prove my point every time.
 
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Everything you always wanted to know about Kamala:

The Real Kamala Harris

Her new image is as believable as Jussie Smollett


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It's crazy for Donald Trump not to agree to another debate. While he may not be everybody's cup of tea, his opponent is an absolute lunatic who could do permanent damage to our country, in addition to the damage that she's already done.
The media sure aren't going to alert the public to this looming danger. It's up to Trump.
Among her other plans for us, Kamala Harris is for:
-- Slavery reparations;
-- Defunding the police;
-- Taxpayer-supported transgender operations for prisoners and detained illegal immigrants;
-- Paying bail funds for violent BLM rioters;
-- Decriminalizing illegal immigration;
-- Abolishing ICE, (or, as The Washington Post put it, "she signaled an openness to a sweeping overhaul of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency”);
-- Banning fracking, offshore drilling and gasoline-powered cars;
-- Mandatory confiscation of "assault weapons"; and
-- Abolishing private health insurance.
The media act as if she's changed her mind on only one or two little things, like fracking -- as opposed to on every single position she's ever held -- and proceed to coach her on how to explain these trivial reversals...
...She's not so much flip-flopping as completely abandoning her entire worldview. As Stalin is supposed to have said, "Quantity has a quality all its own."
This column isn't long enough to cover all of her (alleged) turnabouts, so I will only briefly cover her long-standing positions on law enforcement (hates 'em!) and white Americans (honestly, not a big fan).
Harris has unfailingly, aggressively, in every possible way, opposed law enforcement, while supporting criminals and illegal aliens. At the least, this is an odd disposition for a "prosecutor" (as her fangirls boast), rather like an orthodox rabbi whose hobby is curing Virginia hams.
She is on tape comparing ICE agents to the Ku Klux Klan, and on other tapes saying she wants to abolish ICE. It’s hardly surprising, therefore, that as "Border Czar" she presided over the worst border crisis this country has ever seen. (The media once touted her as Biden's "Border Czar," but realizing that that sounded like calling Lizzo the "Intermittent Fasting Czar,” now they try to deny it.)
When Harris was San Francisco district attorney, she released Edwin Ramos, an illegal alien and known MS-13 gang member, over the angry objections of the police. Three months later, Ramos drove alongside a father and his two sons and opened fire into their car, killing all three. (Another "migrant" just trying to make a better life for himself and his family!)
As per usual, Harris refused to seek the death penalty against Ramos.
Another illegal alien sprung by Harris managed to go a full five months before killing an American, breaking the record previously held by Ramos. Roberto Galo, an “undocumented” immigrant from Honduras, took an illegal left turn, hit 25-year-old law student Drew Rosenberg on his motorcycle, then backed over him again.
Elevated to California's attorney general, Harris wrote the wildly misleading titles and descriptions for the two pro-crime initiatives, Propositions 47 and 57, that put violent criminals back on the streets, where they run rampant today. Imagine that on a national scale and -- presto! -- suddenly you're living in Haiti.
When the BLM riots were in full swing, she endorsed the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which was paying bail funds for BLM rioters, to get violent criminals out of jail and back to doing what they do best.
She openly cheered the BLM riots -- on tape -- enthusing to Stephen Colbert, "They're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop, and this is a movement, I'm telling you. They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up -- and they should not. And we should not."
Harris has said time and again that she supports defunding the police -- or "re-imagining public safety," as she puts it.

The only guns Harris wants the government to forcibly confiscate are so-called “assault weapons,” which are predominantly owned by white men, who are "more likely to have higher incomes, to have served in the military and to be Republican" than other Americans, according to The Washington Post.

Meanwhile, gun homicides are overwhelmingly committed with illegally owned handguns. So she's cool with drive-by shootings but will institute a government confiscation program to eradicate a hobby of rich white men.

Naturally, Harris totally believed Jussie Smollett's hoax hate crime, which stirred up real hate toward white male Trump supporters. (They're not hated enough, apparently.) His story about being attacked by two white men shouting, “This is MAGA country!" at 2 a.m. in Chicago in the middle of a polar vortex -- because they recognized him from "Empire"! -- was so preposterous that, in short order, Jussie was criminally prosecuted and his acting career "re-imagined."

But Harris immediately believed Jussie, calling his invented hate crime a "modern-day lynching" and pushing through "anti-lynching" legislation. She's never apologized.

She has enthusiastically said -- again, on tape -- that she supports convening a study on slavery reparations. What's her position on reparations today? She refuses to say. The Post reports: "The Harris campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment on her current position on reparations."

Can the Post ask her for "her current position” on those KKK-ers at ICE, defunding the police, the destructive BLM riots, the pro-crime propositions she helped impose on the hapless citizens of California, confiscating AR-15s, Jussie Smollett, the homicidal illegals she released, the support she gave to bailing out BLM rioters, and on and on and on?

It's not like she doesn't have an answer. Her answer is, "I grew up in a middle-class household and in college, I worked at McDonald’s."

 

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Actually, I disprove your point every time. Trump was impeached twice, indicted 4 times, convicted of fraud, found responsible for business fraud, defamation, and sexual assault. He was fired by 81 million voters in 2020. How is he being blamed for something he didn't do?
I don't know why you bother. Regardless of what facts or logic you present, they're just going to write you off as suffering from "TDS". Apparently it's perfectly fine to hate Kamala because she laughs too much, but if you say anything bad about their lord, savior, and convicted rapist Trump - there's something wrong with you.
 

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Meanwhile.....POLL/REUTERS--IPSOS/SEP 23....HARRIS 47----TROMP 40.

On the ',economy, unemployment and jobs'' TROMP 43 HARRIS 41....she even blunts his economic edge....more more more.....
 
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Other poles lately stated Trump ahead 10 point?
Which is real which is false it all depends on who reads and believes:) ,
IMHO not an arguement
 

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They can't be trusted, all the 2016 polls showed Hilary Clinton ahead and she was defeated.

Also I would suggest reading this:

"Can we trust the polls?​

At the moment, the polls suggest that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are within a couple of percentage points of each other in battleground states - and when the race is that close, it’s very hard to predict winners.
Polls underestimated support for Trump in both 2016 and 2020. Polling companies will be trying to fix that problem in a number of ways, including how to make their results reflect the make-up of the voting population.
Those adjustments are difficult to get right and pollsters still have to make educated guesses about other factors like who will actually turn up to vote on 5 November."
 
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I realize that many if not most of you are not exactly American history scholars, but perhaps someone will remember this?
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Have any of you guys visited the Truman White House in Key West? I did. Fascinating man and a top 5 President in U.S. History according to all American Presidential History Scholars.

That's the Chicago Tribune he is holding.
 

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Meanwhile.....POLL/REUTERS--IPSOS/SEP 23....HARRIS 47----TROMP 40.

On the ',economy, unemployment and jobs'' TROMP 43 HARRIS 41....she even blunts his economic edge....more more more.....

Trump is selling gold watches at 100 00$ each.
And for the less fortunates, gold plated watches at 799$ each.
If he sold toilet paper with his photo on each little square, I could be interested if the price was the same as normal toilet paper.
I wouldn't want him to make profit on it.
 
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Trump is selling gold watches at 100 00$ each.
And for the less fortunates, gold plated watches at 799$ each.
If he sold toilet paper with his photo on each little square, I could be interested if the price was the same as normal toilet paper.
I wouldn't want him to make profit on it.

I don't think Trump sells it, but it is available on Amazon. One roll of 3-ply for 12.99.
And for the Cons in your life there's Trudeau TP, including the blackface version.
Now that I'm looking, there's TP with a lot of big politician's faces on it, though mostly Dems.


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Womaniser

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I don't think Trump sells it, but it is available on Amazon. One roll of 3-ply for 12.99.
And for the Cons in your life there's Trudeau TP, including the blackface version.
Now that I'm looking, there's TP with a lot of big politician's faces on it, though mostly Dems.


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Thanks, I am not an Amazon client, I once checked the prices on items I needed and it was much more expensive than my usual providers.
Also, the warehouses workers are exploited it seems.
 

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ECHELON INSIGHTS SURVEY/1005 REGISTERED VOTERS/SEP 23-25/MARGE ERROR + - 3,7/

ECONOMY.............HARRIS 47....TROMP 45
COST OF LIVING...HARRIS 48....TROMP 45.
 

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Guys, give it up with these polls. History has shown us they're completely useless. Let's wait until Nov 5th.
 
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