True or false: are you always “paying for it one way or another”?

[The Nature Boy]

I’m having a tough time trying to grasp what you guys are trying to say when you say “your always paying for it one way or another”

I’ve heard the following argument.
A. One guy pays $250/hour or more for SP’s over lifetime
B. Another one pays dinner of around $100, bar lounge entrance fees, drinks, eventually engagement ring well over these fees

“Both men are paying for sex one way or another”

Not sure if these are the same? I mean it doesn’t make sense to me. One person is with you cause they actually want to be with you, lol. I would hope it’s irrespective of £££??? Another is not. An escort may wake up and be like “oh, today I see client A, he’s hot, can’t believe I’m actually gonna get paid for this?” But the fact is she will be paid? Now if she’s like “I think I’m starting to like client A” And starts coming over and seeing client A for free, no ones paying her to be there, lol. Client A may be paying for dinner, drinks and entrance fees or plane tickets to go vacay with this lady because the feelings are mutual, but the SP/person is not being paid to be with client A?

There are guys who wine and dine their women with extravaganzas and there are guys who order pizza and literally watch Netflix and chill. Again, in these scenarios no one is being paid to be there.

With the whole notion of investment of time and emotion, I mean to me that doesn’t seem like your paying for anything, seems more like it’s called life and is what is involved in being in relationship. Not trying to be condescending but not sure how else to phrase it really

Anywhoo, discuss lovers.....

 

[TheJames101]

There's not always a true or false. There's shades of grey as well.

In any case, I voted false as I'm in an open relationship and I'm not paying for sex unless I want to. My partner and I also didn't go in for all that "the guy has to pay for most things" BS so take that for what you will. I pay for some things from time to time, she pays for some things. It's not about sex - it's about making the other person happy. Usually sex isn't involved or even related.

 

[minutemenX]

This is an example of poorly formulated question. When there is too much generalization (“one way or another”) the question becomes stupid. Ultimately, you “pay” in life for everything ("one way or another") and at the end you pay with your death for the life itself.

 

[TheJames101]

Has anyone ever heard of a completely altruistic sex act performed by a woman, with essentially nothing in return.

The same would apply if asked about men.

 

[sene5hos]

I said yes, all our life we will pay, depending on our financial means and our health.


It's said to be the oldest profession in the world, and it will continue to exist no matter how the evolution of the society

 

[SamAttak]

Instead of getting in the trenches and bringing up arguments against counter-arguments and having a tons of people disagreeing with the framing of the arguments saying ''women do it too'' or ''that's not true, there are exceptions''

Ask yourself, which is the most valuable? Men's sex, or women's sex? If you can't answer that question, then think about the amount of male SPs vs the amount of female SPs.
Now that we can agree woman's sex is more valuable then men's, is it such a stretch to think that women would get something out of it? I'm not even saying they think about it consciously, they just go with the guy who's more ''fun'' or ''the better deal''.

Of course everything I'm saying is generalizing. Its simply impossible to talk about large groups of people without generalizing. But I don't think its crazy to say that mostly, men compete for women and because of that they have to one up each other and bring more to the table than just their dick.

 

[Fradi]

False.
You can be an equal partner with a gorgeous woman you just need to find the right one.
Love does conquer all.
Hell of a question to ask on an escort review board though it may just be that it will be skewed a little on one side lol.

 

[exo78]

In an article about this same subject I once read a comment from a civie woman who had lived all her life with the man she chose and loved dearly - and who happened to be a millionaire. She said her mother always told her: "Honey, marry the man you love, just you try not to fall in love with a poor man"...
OP has a point when he says a romantic relationship is not all about sex and true feelings can exist between a man and a woman. But the question is, would the woman have those "true love feelings" if the man was poor? I mean, if everything wasn't transactional, you would see many a poor man with a hot babe around his arm and raising his kids. Which you don't. So?

 

[minutemenX]

False.
You can be an equal partner with a gorgeous woman you just need to find the right one.
Love does conquer all.
Hell of a question to ask on an escort review board though it may just be that it will be skewed a little on one side lol.

Fradi, can one get rich by playing a lottery? Sure, some people do. Finding mutual and long lasting love is like winning a lottery

 

[The Nature Boy]

I mean, if everything wasn't transactional, you would see many a poor man with a hot babe around his arm and raising his kids. Which you don't. So?

I don’t know about that. I know a ton of guys who are not financially well off ( I mean they are not deadbeats or homeless) but guys who earn a modest living and have beautiful wives / gfs who are with them and raising their kids. Know one dude who is a stay @ home dad while his wife works in banking/finance, lol

 

[Fradi]

Fradi, can one get rich by playing a lottery? Sure, some people do. Finding mutual and long lasting love is like winning a lottery

You are right I was one lucky SOB
I have been playing the lottery with a group of 20 work colleagues for 20 years now and the most we have ever won is $120.
Seems my luck was only with women and if I look at the SP I am seeing now it is still going strong.

btw when I married my wife neither of us had anything to speak of but we both worked our asses of and created a lifestyle that has ensured a decent future for our children, that is what really counts.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It's true. Nothing good is free.

 

[Anong]

It's true. Nothing good is free.

We pay one way or other. Nothing Free!

 

[CoolSin000]

I’m having a tough time trying to grasp what you guys are trying to say when you say “your always paying for it one way or another”

I’ve heard the following argument.
A. One guy pays $250/hour or more for SP’s over lifetime
B. Another one pays dinner of around $100, bar lounge entrance fees, drinks, eventually engagement ring well over these fees

“Both men are paying for sex one way or another”

Not sure if these are the same? I mean it doesn’t make sense to me. One person is with you cause they actually want to be with you, lol. I would hope it’s irrespective of £££??? Another is not. An escort may wake up and be like “oh, today I see client A, he’s hot, can’t believe I’m actually gonna get paid for this?” But the fact is she will be paid? Now if she’s like “I think I’m starting to like client A” And starts coming over and seeing client A for free, no ones paying her to be there, lol. Client A may be paying for dinner, drinks and entrance fees or plane tickets to go vacay with this lady because the feelings are mutual, but the SP/person is not being paid to be with client A?

There are guys who wine and dine their women with extravaganzas and there are guys who order pizza and literally watch Netflix and chill. Again, in these scenarios no one is being paid to be there.

With the whole notion of investment of time and emotion, I mean to me that doesn’t seem like your paying for anything, seems more like it’s called life and is what is involved in being in relationship. Not trying to be condescending but not sure how else to phrase it really

Anywhoo, discuss lovers.....

Hi buddy, I appreciate you take the time to create this topic. As for, "men are paying for sex one way or another," I actually don't focus on sex per se - but what I truly focus on is the relationship with another human being.

If we actually change the word, "Pay" to something like , "trade/exchange", we may be able to explain - "what is the meaning of being involve with someone rather it is sexual or emotional aspect". As we all know, we trade our time for money - we work from X amount of hours per day to get X amount of dollars. The reason we create this monetary system because it's hard to determine the X amount of food to equal a car (for example)

As for being a relationship with Significance Other (SO)/lover vs SP/SW/SB - it's really hard to quantify the value love compare to physical indulgent. For example, if I were to take the time to see a SP at Euphoria for one hour (aka Annabelle @ Euphoria - I definitely miss our encounter ) - it would be $240hrs which I would get everything from within the agency service policy and restriction. Furthermore, you don't have to have sex with her too - you can take an SP on a dinner/party/vacation date too (Which it depends on the cost of her travel time).

Whereas, when I'm in a relationship with my lover/SO - I have to invest a lot of time and emotion into the relationship. If I don't - I don't think it will last long. For example, it's Christmas holiday - I should buy the food for the BIG dinner, and buy Christmas present for her/my relatives too? If I don't put the effort into that Christmas party or other special holiday - I don't think my lover/SO would want to stay me because it is possible that my lover/SO is complaining that, I don't put any effort into our relationship or that I don't love her enough to make her happy to setup for those special holiday dinners. In that scenario, it takes a lot time and money to setup all those activities. Indeed, if you are married and have children together - this relationship can stretch even further into the future and you have to keep it consistent in order to maintain the relationship with your lover/SO.

Overall, what I meant in my topic discussion, " what's your story for seeing an SP or being in this hobby?" - I don't actually mean sex is the main factor - it's actually one of the outcome or the byproduct that contribute by your effort. Whatever you decide to see an SP or have a relationship with your SO/lover - it takes time and effort - rather it's money or emotional aspect.

I hope I'm able to explain my point-of-view. Cheers!

 

[SamAttak]

And just like I said in my previous post, people get very emotional on this topic. What a surprise! It just goes to show you should never ever discuss such a topic IRL and only with the anonymity of the internet. Have fun guys.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Hi buddy, I appreciate you take the time to create this topic. As for, "men are paying for sex one way or another," I actually don't focus on sex per se - but what I truly focus on is the relationship with another human being.

If we actually change the word, "Pay" to something like , "trade/exchange", we may be able to explain - "what is the meaning of being involve with someone rather it is sexual or emotional aspect". As we all know, we trade our time for money - we work from X amount of hours per day to get X amount of dollars. The reason we create this monetary system because it's hard to determine the X amount of food to equal a car (for example)

As for being a relationship with Significance Other (SO)/lover vs SP/SW/SB - it's really hard to quantify the value love compare to physical indulgent. For example, if I were to take the time to see a SP at Euphoria for one hour (aka Anna @ Euphoria - I definitely miss our encounter ) - it would be $240hrs which I would get everything from within the agency service policy and restriction. Furthermore, you don't have to have sex with her too - you can take an SP on a dinner/party/vacation date too (Which it depends on the cost of her travel time).

Whereas, when I'm in a relationship with my lover/SO - I have to invest a lot of time and emotion into the relationship. If I don't - I don't think it will last long. For example, it's Christmas holiday - I should buy the food for the BIG dinner, and buy Christmas present for her/my relatives too? If I don't put the effort into that Christmas party or other special holiday - I don't think my lover/SO would want to stay me because it is possible that my lover/SO is complaining that, I don't put any effort into our relationship or that I don't love her enough to make her happy to setup for those special holiday dinners. In that scenario, it takes a lot time and money to setup all those activities. Indeed, if you are married and have children together - this relationship can stretch even further into the future and you have to keep it consistent in order to maintain the relationship with your lover/SO.

Overall, what I meant in my topic discussion, " what's your story for seeing an SP or being in this hobby?" - I don't actually mean sex is the main factor - it's actually one of the outcome or the byproduct that contribute by your effort. Whatever you decide to see an SP or have a relationship with your SO/lover - it takes time and effort - rather it's money or emotional aspect.

I hope I'm able to explain my point-of-view. Cheers!

U did. I did get that you were asking about what brought each of us to the hobby. However the convo kinda took a detour.

There are guys like you who are about more than the sex. There are others who are not. To me, that phrase “you end up paying for it one way or another” by some on this board is not relayed by how you described so eloquently but comes off in a more cynical way.

 

[CoolSin000]

U did. I did get that you were asking about what brought each of us to the hobby. However the convo kinda took a detour.

There are guys like you who are about more than the sex. There are others who are not. To me, that phrase “you end up paying for it one way or another” by some on this board is not relayed by how you described so eloquently but comes off in a more cynical way.

Unfortunately, using words to describe how you feel about life is very hard. Yes, one point in my life I was very cynical and pessimistic about the future. But, I'm melo now.

 

[alchemist]

We always pay. I prefer to pay 300 for an hour and be happy for weeks, than to waste time (for possibility of bad sex).

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

My view on this.

 

[neverbored]

lol jesus.. is this really how you all view it? kinda depressing.

interesting take