What do sex workers want?

[starry]

I don't have a problem with supporting the NZ model, namely decriminalization, and for many of the reasons given by the speaker. However, the premise underlying her discussion, specifically that women hate what they are doing and are forced into the business only because they are faced with a life and death decision is extremely suspect. No doubt that fact situation does occur even independently of outright trafficking scenarios, but does anyone really believe that this attractive, intelligent well spoken woman had no other options (as she claims). I call foul. She and many other ladies enter the bizz not because they have no other choices: some could be doctors, lawyers, housekeepers, kitchen maids, etc...many are educated and qualified for all sorts of regular jobs. They do it because the money is better, sooner, faster, easier. And you can add to that that many are not turned off by the work either. In fact that is the profile of the three ladies that I frequent as regulars. Each and everyone of them actually could be doing something else if thats what they really wanted to do. And thats exactly one reason why I frequent them. I would not have a relationship with an SP who was in the biz only because she was a sex slave, victim etc... or would otherwise starve. And if I believed that this was an indispensible aspect of the biz I would simply not participate as a client. So the speaker, and I mean that lady in particular, can go cry me a river.

 

[BookerL]

You do not get it,

Compliments on being your usual self ,not getting it is a major part of your board persona ?

the alcohol and cigarettes are a poor excuse. When talking about legalized prostitution and comparing it to contrabrand smokes and alcohol. Smokes and alcohol are not illegal so you have a moot point,.

They are illegal when in contraband and trafficking cigarettes and tobacco products is punishable by prison time and/or fines ,same for contraband alcohol

basically just filler to show you have nothing. If alcohol and cigarettes were " illegal " the contraband prices would go up as no legal ones are available. Like I say another moot point coming from you.

Just to clue you in we are talking about escorts that are illegal right now.

What makes something illegal is the law not your opinions,sex between consenting adults is legal ,just like cigarettes with legal vendors is

, not alcohol and cigarettes which are legal and contraband must be sold at a discount to ne able to sell them. :doh:
Yup, you can sure school someone, with complete nonsense.

Since we are talking about illegal " escorts " and not legal smokes and alcohol ( still can not believe you were grasping at straws back there, funny actually ) here is an article which talks about " escorts " and the costs when it became legal. http://business.time.com/2013/06/18...e-cut-rate-prostitution-capital-of-the-world/

Now please do not come back with something about a monkey smoking cigarettes in a German zoo.

Do you understand the term overhead in business and working benefits and compliance to regulations it seems not ,illegal escorting is cheaper for many reasons
and also the very famous greedy source deduction return in Quebec http://www.revenuquebec.ca/en/sepf/formulaires/tp/tp-1015_3/

There's is a expression stop while your ahead simply doesn't apply anymore
Germany and taxation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany,

The Financial Secrecy Index ranks Germany as the 8th safest tax haven in the world, ahead of Jersey but behind Lebanon.

Quebec income tax

Quebec taxpayers still paying highest taxes in North America

: http://globalnews.ca/news/1583103/q...-paying-highest-taxes-in-north-america-study/
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sit...x-competitiveness-a-barrier-to-prosperity.pdf

Quebec’s Tax Competitiveness:
A Barrier to Prosperity

Anything which is legal taxation laws would apply in Quebec


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Booker

 

[jalimon]

For the divorce rate to go down there should be a law that couples must live together for a year before marriage, you do not know someone until you live with them.

Yep so true. Add to that doing a one/two week trip anywhere without any hotel booking or itinerary. If you survive that, you are ready

Cheers,

 

[BookerL]

German zoo.

I love your brilliant analogies ,it does really show what you know or don't know

https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/language-laws-and-doing-business-quebec
Obviously you know nothing of Quebec laws for businesses ?

Language Laws and Doing Business in Quebec

Rules for All Businesses

Any person or company that sells products or services in Quebec has to follow the language requirements of the Charter. The following rules apply to all businesses no matter how big or small they are.

Business Names

All businesses that sell products or services in Quebec must have a French business name. A business can also have a name in English or another language, but there are special rules about when and how a non-French name can be used.

To learn more, visit the website of the Office québécois de la langue française (Web page in French only).

Employee Language Rights

All workers in Quebec have the right to work in French. They can speak and write in French and ask for French work documents and tools, including computer software.

Employers can't fire or refuse to hire workers just because they don't know English or another language well enough. The only exception is if the job has to be done in another language. It's up to the employer to prove that another language is needed.

Communications with Employees and Workplace Signs

Employers have to use French in written documents meant for their staff in general, including messages posted in the workplace. But they can write to an individual employee in English or another language.

There can be a version of these official documents and messages in English or another language, as long as the French stands out at least as much.

Serving the Public

All businesses have to be able to serve the public in French. But they can serve a non-French speaking person in that person's language.

Telemarketing and voice-mail greetings and messages must include a French version if they are used in Quebec.

Public Signs and Advertising

In some cases, only French can be used, for example, advertising on buses and on some large billboards.

For some other types of signs and advertising, French can be used along with English or another language, as long as the French is clearly more predominant. "More predominant" usually means that the French version is at least twice as big, or takes up at least twice as much space, as the other language.

Signs and advertising for cultural products or activities and advertising in non-French media can be only in English or another language.

To learn more about the language used for public signs and advertising, visit the website of the Office québecois de la langue française (Web page in French only).

Products and Packaging

Anything written on a product sold in Quebec, or on its package, or in documents included with the product (for example, instructions for using the product and warranties) must be in French. Translations in one or more other languages can be included with the French.

Written Publications and Documents

Catalogues and brochures, order forms, receipts and warranties must be in French. There can be a version in English or another language as long as a French version is available.

Standard-form contracts must also be in French. These are contracts that are already prepared and pre-printed, such as cellphone contracts, gym memberships and leases. The contract must be in French, but there can be a version in another language if the consumer asks for it.

Menus and wine lists must also be in French as well. The French can be accompanied by one or more other languages, as long as they don't stand out more than the French.

Toys and Games

Toys and games, including computer games, which involve using language (for example, talking-dolls and Xbox games), can be sold in Quebec only if a French version is available. So, for example, an English-talking doll can be sold in Quebec only if an identical French-talking doll is available.

Software and Information Technology

Computer software sold or leased in Quebec must be available in French, unless no French version exists. Software can also be in English or another language as long as the French version works as well or better.

Anything written on computer hardware and accessories must be in French. For example, the "escape" and "delete" keys on computer keyboards must be in French. English or another language can be used instead, as long as a French version is available.

Business Websites

A business must have a French version of its website if

it has an address in Quebec, and
it sells its products or services to Quebecers.
Another language can be used as long as French is available.

Sometimes a business uses its website for "e-commerce" in Quebec, that is, for selling products or services to Quebec consumers over the Internet instead of at a physical store. If so, all the information that a consumer needs to make a purchase must be in French. This includes information about the product or service, order forms, invoices and receipts. English or another language can be used as long as a French version is available.

The websites of non-French media don't have to be in French. Also any website advertising of non-French cultural or educational products or activities doesn't have to be in French. See the "Exceptions" section below for more information on media and on cultural and educational products and activities.

Francization: Additional Rules for Larger Businesses

All businesses have to follow the rules explained above. Businesses with 50 or more employees have to follow additional rules. These rules are called "francization."

Francization means that French must be the language usually used in the following additional ways:

internal and external communications
work tools and documents
internal networks, software and computer technology used inside the business
English or another language can be used as long as a French version is also available and French remains the usual language of the business.

In addition, the business has to increase the number of employees at all levels who know French well.

To learn more about francization, visit the website of the Office québécois de la langue française (Web page in French only).

Francization Certificate

A Quebec-government body called the Office québécois de la langue française (the Office) (Web page in French only) oversees the process of francization. The Office works with the business to increase the use of French over a period of time. Once the Office is satisfied that French is the usual language used at all levels of the business, it gives the business a francization certificate.

Some businesses must have an internal francization committee to oversee the use of French in the business. To learn more about francization committees, visit the website of the Office (Web page in French only).

After the business gets its francization certificate, it must make sure that French continues to be the normal language of the business. It must also report to the Office every three years on the use of French in the business.

If the business doesn't follow the francization rules, it might have to pay a fine ranging from $600 to $20,000, or even more.

The Office can make exceptions for head offices, research centres and some businesses.

Exceptions

The rules explained above are general rules and there are exceptions. Here are the main exceptions:

Public Health and Safety

If it is necessary for the health and safety of the public, both English and French can be used on signs. The part in French would have to stand out at least as much as the English.

Also, a safety warning that is engraved or permanently attached to a product that is made outside Quebec can be in a language other than French as long as a French warning is also permanently attached to the product.

Cultural & Educational Activities and Products

The rules about signs and advertising, as well as what is written on a product or its package, don't apply to cultural or educational activities or products. Cultural and educational products include books, magazines and films. Cultural and educational activities include plays and conferences.

So, the writing on a package of a DVD of an English film can be in English only. Note that if the DVD lets you watch the film with French subtitles or listen to it in French, then the writing on the package has to include a French version.

Non-French Media

"Media" includes newspapers, television channels and radio stations. Advertising in non-French media can be just in the language of the media. For example, a commercial on an English television channel can be in English only, and an ad appearing in an Italian newspaper can be in Italian only.

Compliance to all those laws adds overhead in Quebec ,which are not present in your German Zoo ,





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Booker

 

[CLOUD 500]

BookerL,

You are comparing products to sex. The two are different. That makes no sense. Contraband cigarettes and alcohol are only cheaper because it has no taxes on them. What makes the legal stuff so expensive are the taxes. Prostitution on the other hand is another ball game. It is very difficult to keep track and tax. If legal prostitution gets taxed to the same manner as alcohol they would probably kill the business. See how RQ's taxes on bars and clubs affected the stripclub business. Legalized sex work will bring down the prices as risk of getting convicted is null. Girls do not have to screen for undercover police officers and many more clients can purchase sex without the risk of being arrested. Any girl could work and as the economy goes more into recession there will be more sex workers. Places like the US where it is illegal and LE is actively busting on it well you can see the affect of the prices. Thailand has among the lowest prices for sex in the world and you can see why as it is not illegal and is a poor country. So your point makes no sense.

 

[BookerL]

Hello Cloud

BookerL,

You are comparing products to sex.

Yes exactly

The two are different.

Yes exactly

That makes no sense..

Yes exactly

But for the government it does http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gst.asp

What is a 'Goods and Services Tax - GST'

The goods and services tax (GST) is a Canadian value-added tax levied on most goods and services sold for domestic consumption. The tax is levied to provide revenue for the federal government. The GST is paid by consumers, but it is levied and remitted to the government by businesses selling the goods and services.

If

sex.

is legalize it will be a service and then taxable

Contraband cigarettes and alcohol are only cheaper because it has no taxes on them.

Exactly no tax

What makes the legal stuff so expensive are the taxes.

This is also correct

Prostitution on the other hand is another ball game. It is very difficult to keep track and tax. If legal prostitution gets taxed to the same manner as alcohol they would probably kill the business.

exactly

See how RQ's taxes on bars and clubs affected the stripclub business. Legalized sex work will bring down the prices as risk of getting convicted is null..

Cloud you are confusing decriminalization with legalization http://www.businessinsider.com/sex-...izing-and-decriminalizing-prostitution-2015-6

If the distinction between legalized prostitution and decriminalized prostitution seems confusing, this definition from University of Rhode Island professor Donna Hughes might provide some clarity:

Legalization would mean the regulation of prostitution with laws regarding where, when, and how prostitution could take place. Decriminalization eliminates all laws and prohibits the state and law-enforcement officials from intervening in any prostitution-related activities or transactions, unless other laws apply.

Here are some of the problems with the legalization model, Smith argues:

Widely presented as a more tolerant and pragmatic approach, the legalized model still criminalizes those sex workers who cannot or will not fulfill various bureaucratic responsibilities, and therefore retains some of the worst harms of criminalization. It disproportionately excludes sex workers who are already marginalized, like people who use drugs or who are undocumented. This makes their situation more precarious, and so reinforces the power of unscrupulous managers.

Girls do not have to screen for undercover police officers and many more clients can purchase sex without the risk of being arrested.

That would be the effect of decriminalization

Any girl could work and as the economy goes more into recession there will be more sex workers.

I agree here also ,recessions brings prices down and recessions have a tendency to bring in more sex workers

Places like the US where it is illegal and LE is actively busting on it well you can see the affect of the prices.

I also agree here Cloud

Thailand has among the lowest prices for sex in the world and you can see why as it is not illegal and is a poor country.

I also agree here

So your point makes no sense.

For a point to make sense someone needs to understand the implications of many laws because it is a melting pot .

"It's useless to spend money to defend (against Revenue Quebec)," Chelala said in a telephone interview. "Even my lawyer doesn't understand how they do their calculations."

Her latest assessment shows that she owes Revenue Quebec $1.1 million.

The tax ruling came just days after she received an absolute discharge on pimping charges.

The taxman says Chelala didn't pay federal and provincial sales tax when she ran her network of escort agencies.

There's not many escort agency operator that understands the tax system ,and obviously Hobbyist




Juno Mac is advocating for decriminalization model ,which I agree would bring prices down contrary to legalization



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Booker

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Compliments on being your usual self ,not getting it is a major part of your board persona

Not posting all the fluff you had.

You just proved that you can Google information but not common sense and intelligence. The origional comment was that if legal the cost to us would go down and the take home for the ladies would go down.
I comment that things that are illegal they cost more ( now pay attention, we were talking about escorts here ), you come back with the cost of contraband alcohol and tobacco where both are legal to buy on an open market. Just sit back and let that sink in..... Just keep on Googling.
EDIT: My board persona as you call it is me, unlike yourself which is to see how many gullible people you can find, your signature tell all about you, looking for suckers.

 

[BookerL]

Hello all

Not posting all the fluff you had.

You just proved that you can Google information but not common sense and intelligence. The origional comment was that if legal the cost to us would go down and the take home for the ladies would go down.

All previous post provides the answer to this, not only can't you Google ,make sense and can't read ,you argue without cause .

I comment that things that are illegal they cost more,

Which is totally ridiculous,in the Quebec contexts

( now pay attention, we were talking about escorts here ),

Escorts Yes
STN and concept of law ,no

you come back with the cost of contraband alcohol and tobacco where both are legal to buy on an open market. Just sit back and let that sink in..... Just keep on Googling.

EDIT: My board persona as you call it is me, unlike yourself which is to see how many gullible people you can find, your signature tell all about you, looking for suckers.

Well good for you ,for the rest of us ?

your signature tell all about you, .

Yes it does ,

Looking for suckers..

Now Brilliant guy ,why what would I be looking for suckers ?






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Booker