What's a good tip?

[Dave in Phoenix]

Slightly off topic but I find the tipping culture out of control. Sometimes I go places and the terminal for payment asks if I want to tip and it makes absolutely no sense. Why would I want to tip in a store? Why would I want to tip the Airbnb host?

I’ve only a handful of times tipped the Uber drivers. I do if they go above and beyond. The ones I’ve tipped had water bottles in a mini fridge, had an iPad behind the headrests so that you could play during a long car ride, they opened my door once arrived at destination. You could tell they made you their priority during the car ride as opposed to making money their priority. So for that I tipped them.

As much as I don't tip professional sexworkers, I reluctantly do tip at restaurants and Uber, even though I detest the idea.

Like restaurant workers, many Uber drivers don't make much money after costs for their car, etc. Further, their app rates the customer, including whether he is a good tipper, as discussed on an Uber driver forum. Many Uber drivers also will not pick up the program where you can call to get a ride for those who don't have an app. There are mostly elderly in poor health who have lots of help needs and don't usually tip well.

I use Uber a lot - including in Toronto if I have to go DT (I stay in Mississauga) to meet friends and go fed up with the traffic mess, parking etc. I even used Uber in Germany instead of their excellent train system. So I want to have a good grade with Uber and tip even detecting it and justify it since they are not earning high hourly rates of sexwork professionals that do not need tips, and I have never had any raise an issue.

 

[LC18]

Like restaurant workers, many Uber drivers don't make much money after costs for their car, etc

My issue with the tipping culture is that it’s expected so unfortunately some people make no efforts because they know they’ll get tipped anyways.

It’s supposed to be “you did a good job, here’s some $$” not “your boss is underpaying you, let me give you a decent wage out of my pocket even though you messed up my order and couldn’t be bothered with looking at my face while giving me my drink”

 

[talkinghead]

My issue with the tipping culture is that it’s expected so unfortunately some people make no efforts because they know they’ll get tipped anyways.

It’s supposed to be “you did a good job, here’s some $$” not “your boss is underpaying you, let me give you a decent wage out of my pocket even though you messed up my order and couldn’t be bothered with looking at my face while giving me my drink”

Right. I find it frustrating when I'm pressured to tip for everything, regardless of the quality of service, and I also find it troubling that companies underpay employees while assuming that wages will be made up by tipping. None of that is fair to the customer or to the worker.

But in a professional environment that does not require or expect tipping, in transactions where there's no expectation to tip, then tipping can simply be an expression of gratitude. When I have work done around the house (roofing, tree work, etc) I don't tip the boss but always tip the workers if they did a good job. I don't feel any pressure to do so and they don't expect a tip. I'm just thanking them in a practical way. The same is true with the world of escorting and has been forever: tipping isn't expected but may be a nice way of saying thank you. It's the client's choice, but I don't think it needs to be a matter of principle not to tip an SP.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

But in a professional environment that does not require or expect tipping, in transactions where there's no expectation to tip, then tipping [is] simply an expression of gratitude.

Exactly and we should remember this more often. I stopped tipping every time they asked for a tip, to me tipping is a way to express my satisfaction more concretely than saying thank you.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I always tip service workers even if I get bad service because these people are underpaid. I tip my hair stylist, my lash tech, at the bakery, at every restaurant I go to, etc. I don't feel pressured to tip. It's my pleasure to do it. When it comes to SP's I think tipping in the form of gifts or money or gift cards, I think it also depends on how much the person charges. I still think it's welcome and appreciated to tip SP's, specially the ones who work for MPs and agencies, and the ones who charge lower than a certain amount. I think it's also nice to tip and give presents as a token of appreciation if you really like a SP and how she treated you.

 

[haberbosch25]

I’ve only a handful of times tipped the Uber drivers. I do if they go above and beyond. The ones I’ve tipped had water bottles in a mini fridge, had an iPad behind the headrests so that you could play during a long car ride, they opened my door once arrived at destination. You could tell they made you their priority during the car ride as opposed to making money their priority. So for that I tipped them.

Not beating the stereotypes lol.

Uber is one of the most evil companies on earth and without tips the drivers are making less than minimum wage when you include depreciation on their cars.

Tipping an escort, who is already fairly compensated by her hourly rate, is a simp characteristic. Not tipping your Uber driver, who is probably a poor immigrant trying to make ends meet, is probably a sign of being a bad person.

Why anyone would work for them, given the shitty economic model for drivers, is a mystery to me; however, I am not going to add to the cruelty and not tip the driver.

 

[LC18]

Not tipping your Uber driver, who is probably a poor immigrant trying to make ends meet, is probably a sign of being a bad person.

Most of the Ubers I got in were driving brand new cars with a very great dash cam that could film in and outside of the vehicle. This might be true for some but it isn’t everyone’s reality.


Same could be said about sex workers, they could be working to support their family back home you have no idea.

Also big LOL at you for suddenly caring about immigrants when the last 5-10 posts you’ve made were straight up racist.

 

[Zero_Six]

Not beating the stereotypes lol.

Uber is one of the most evil companies on earth and without tips the drivers are making less than minimum wage when you include depreciation on their cars.

Tipping an escort, who is already fairly compensated by her hourly rate, is a simp characteristic. Not tipping your Uber driver, who is probably a poor immigrant trying to make ends meet, is probably a sign of being a bad person.

Why anyone would work for them, given the shitty economic model for drivers, is a mystery to me; however, I am not going to add to the cruelty and not tip the driver.

Using the term simp on a forum about escorts is hilarious. I don't like the term much, but do you think you're any less of a simp just because you don't tip?

 

[Lunaseraphim]

This is well said and reflects my attitude about tipping SPs.

Bringing up valid issues with tipping culture as it relates to low-wage workers in the gig and food services sectors as a reason not to tip SPs is an example of a straw man argument.

Also, “I respect SPs so much that I don’t tip” and “I’m going to mock clients who choose to tip as a way of showing respect and gratitude to the SP” are two interesting positions to hold simultaneously.

agreed

 

[LC18]

Also, “I respect SPs so much that I don’t tip” and “I’m going to mock clients who choose to tip as a way of showing respect and gratitude to the SP” are two interesting positions to hold simultaneously.

If tipping SPs is considered insulting. Please insult me $$$

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

If tipping SPs is considered insulting. Please insult me $$$

Yes, even one who dispises tips, and I was not opposed to receiving some. So I realize we all look out for our best interests.

Years ago, I rented and sold as a dealer Sybian machines, including sessions at my home. I knew the inventor ( Dave Lampert, now deceased and took over last I heard from Son) I met when I was a speaker at LIfestyles swing conventions. I forget what my session fee in my home was, but occasionally, I would be tipped - it was usually a couple. And yes, it was nice to receive, even though I really didn't need it financially.

I stopped renting, I believe, for $100 for 24 hours (it's a $1500 machine) when one was stolen and never returned. He had paid with a check from a company that bounced. I contacted the company, and they didn't realize the checks were stolen from a car glove box. The company and I filed a police report, and the police had some suspects, but I could not positively ID them from a photo lineup.

I posted a message on my libchrist.com with the serial number. Believe it or not, I got a response from a guy in Europe who had the Sybian with that serial number. He bought it a yard sale or something similar. He was so honest to contact me and cost of shipping would be large, I didn't ask him to return with his honesty.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Slightly off topic but I find the tipping culture out of control. Sometimes I go places and the terminal for payment asks if I want to tip and it makes absolutely no sense. Why would I want to tip in a store? Why would I want to tip the Airbnb host?

I think the issue is that it comes with the model of the terminal in some cases. Obviously i never tipped (and will never do) a store if i go buy a few beers or something off the shelvees, thats ludacris to me.

For the rest, i think we simply need to not cather to the pressure of the terminal. For instance nowadays lots of terminals list 15% as the minimum, with some tagline to go alone like "Good" and then you get 20-25% with better taglines. 15% used to be a suggestion and a lot of peoples would tip 10% if the service was simply "average at best". Only time i ever tipped more personally was that super hot blonde waitress with manmade where my buddy was working. I always got there when she worked (would know because of my buddy) and i would tip her like 4-5$ for a 11-12$ Pizza. That said since my buddy was the Pizza baker, he would give me the equivalent of 2 extras for free so it balanced itself Obviously it never lead to anything and she wasn't even particulary "out of her way nice to me", not even talking to me or anything, but i was early 20 and a dumbass Had no met an SP at that point either.

Oh and there is another time too i guess, when i used to order at 2am at that place wich was like opposite side of town, their big size bacon poutine was like 11$ taxes included, and it was enormous. I lived in the fourth floor too. So i would give 15$ to the delivery guy everytime. For the hour, the distance, the fourth floor "climb", i felt it was worth it. And it would always come out hot and fast.

But i digress. These days if i eat at a restaurant (as in sitting down and getting service), unless the waitress is exeptionally nice and go out of her way, i just push the 15% and thats it. Feel fair to me. You have to remember that even with inflation 15% is still the same as 10 years ago. % adjust along. So i don't get this thing that tips should be 20-25% now...

If its a take out, i just let 1$ usually. It cost around 12-15$ at most usually, so 1$ seem more than fair since its a take out.

I don't really use other services that require tipping so can't say for uber or such.

With SPs i used to tip a 20 back then if everything was included in price. But its getting more rare these days (with agency girls) so i feel the extra i pay is like the tip. As for indies, the price is already very high, i don't feel compel to tip.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I think the issue is that it comes with the model of the terminal in some cases.

I started to pay cash only in restaurants some 8 months ago or so, just because I can’t stand those fucking terminal anymore.
Now the funny trend is, when you pay cash, instead of giving you all your change back they ask how much of it you want back! Hey come on, give me my money back and I’ll figure how much you deserve after!

 

[Halloween Mike]

I started to pay cash only in restaurants some 8 months ago or so, just because I can’t stand those fucking terminal anymore.
Now the funny trend is, when you pay cash, instead of giving you all your change back they ask how much of it you want back! Hey come on, give me my money back and I’ll figure how much you deserve after!

Lol yeah i guess the best way is to ask for the bill first and prepare the correct ammount including tip. Then say "keep the change". I guess it require you to carry some change wich i know not everyone is fond of, but that way you sure. Lots of restaurants have you pay at the entrance too. They bring your bill and when you ready you go pay there. I like that system. Let you time to decide and count yourself.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Now the funny trend is, when you pay cash, instead of giving you all your change back they ask how much of it you want back! Hey come on, give me my money back and I’ll figure how much you deserve after!

This.

As-tu vu ce matin? Semble-t-il que le gouvernment Legault travaille sur un projet de loi sur le pourboire. « Comme le révélait le Journal, cette pièce législative s’attaque notamment à la pression sur les consommateurs de donner plus de pourboire. Le projet de loi prévoit qu’il faudra désormais que le calcul du pourboire se fasse sur le montant avant les taxes, et non après, comme c’est le cas dans à peu près tous les restaurants à l’heure actuelle. »

J'ai honte de mettre un lien du Journal de Montréal, mais je viens de le voir passer et il était devant moi : https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...les-prix-a-lepicerie-devront-etre-plus-clairs

Je suis quand même contente, tous des points sur lesquels on a l'impression de se faire avoir chaque fois.

 

[simon69xxx]

If I like the service I always give between 20/50$.
Giving a good tip+being a respectful and clean customer is the best way to become her favourite customer,and she Will try her best to make happy and want to come back

 

[Bonclay20]

Like any service, I usually I tip if the service is good or when extra was not charged, I tip based on how I feel (between 20-100). I don’t tip if the service was very basic or subpar.

 

[Fradi]

I always tip the ladies I see and bring pastries, snacks and wine and gifts for special occasions like their birthday and Christmas.
As far as restaurants, hairdressers etc…. If I like the service then 20%.

I however find it ridiculous when I see tip jars at Tim Hortons, Pastry shops coffee shops etc… If I am going to stand in line and pick up my own order you will get a smile and a thank you.

 

[urquell]

There's too much hypocrisy and entitlement in tipping for me to try to keep a straight face internally when people are holding their hands out either physically or metaphorically, and I completely ignore "default" tip levels. Look, you go to a Dairy Queen, the guy or girl behind the counter spends 5 minutes building you the best, tastiest most elegant bana split you've ever had. Tip expectation? zero. Bartender spends two seconds opening a beer and puts it in front of you. No tip? Good luck getting served the rest of the night. Restaurant server spends an hour repeatedly coming back to your table and fulfilling your requests, offering comments and suggestions. Tip expectation? 15-18% at a minimum. Pizza guy drops pizza in your hands. Deafuls machine tip? 18%. Give me a break. Counter purchases and wanting 18% tip? Get the fuck outta here. Knowing that businesses subsidize salaries via the tipping culture doesn't help. You want to help people but you also can't go around feeling like you're getting ripped off at every turn. There are so many people that work in service industries making people happy that get no tips at all, and a smaller group who've been receiving them historically and so feel entitled to get them, no matter how crappy the service, and expect tips at higher and higher levels. It's insane. All over the world people mock our tipping culture, and with good reason, both for the volume and amounts of expected tips.

So let's take the restaurant server or the taxi driver. There's an expectation that you're going to tip something, but how much will depend on the service provided, but because there's that expectation they will expect something. With SPs is there an immediate expectation that they will be tipped? No. Do they appreciate it? sure, free money, what the hell. Are they going to provide the same service to a new customer not knowing whether they're going to get a tip or not. Probably, so did they go above and beyond for the tipper? No, because they couldn't know if he would tip or not, and there's no initial expectation,only maybe the hope of one. So the basis for the tip has to be based in the nature of the guy, rather than the service for the first visit, in all likelihood. Does it say anything about the guy whether he doesn't tip, tips a little or tips to much. Probably. What it means probably depends on the audience too. Guys are going to feel differently about this than SPs do because bars are being set even if the service level isn't changing. Of course, with guys coming back for subsequent visits the dynamic changes, and there's a whole new set of variables. It's all just too complicated. You know what? I'm sold. I'm just going to stay home and jerk off. The world is too scary for me now.

 

[NFLMEL]

I went through a St.Hubert drive through and at the window was asked how much I was going to tip, smiled and said zero. For the ladies if ok service $20, if my toes curl more.