What's the Real Age of a SP?
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When they are advertised as 29 or 30, we can even add 5 to 10 years to the listed age.
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Depends on the agency you are talking about. John Eleganza has a very consistently young stable of ladies who are all at or close to their listed ages. He traditionally recruits newbies in the 18-21 bracket and I do not believe I ever saw a lady at his agency where I said to myself she was clearly older than the listed age (okay I can think of one of about 35 or so). Of course if you are doing business with one of Sabrina's agencies or the so called Evil Empire you should expect that the lady who shows up advertised as 21 is actually 32.
Who is the "Evil Empire" ? lol
You have to know the code.27 means 30, 28 means 32 to 37. 19 means 22 or conversly 17 depending on the agency
and 23 means 27." Prefers mature gentlemen" means over 40.
You have to know the code.27 means 30, 28 means 32 to 37. 19 means 22 or conversly 17 depending on the agency
and 23 means 27." Prefers mature gentlemen" means over 40.We have a sticky thread almost exclusively devoted to the Evil Empire. I assume people who are on this Board read the sticky threads, especially the one on B&S agencies:
https://merb.cc/vbulletin//showthre...arning-Of-Potential-Bait-amp-Switch-Providers
See post #7 and ensuing posts.
The older the SP, the bigger the spread from real age to what they tell you. One told me her age, and I estimated it to be 15 years plus years younger than she probably was.
Je me suis toujours demandée d'où cela partait de mentir sur l'âge ?
C'est certain que la demande des Clients y est un peu pour quelque chose... Si la demoiselle n'a pas l'air de son âge et qu'elle sait que la demande est pour une plus jeune elle va peut-être mentir et cela va passer comme dans du beurre. Même chose pour les agences.. Pourquoi ne pas tenter le coup ? Si cela rapporte des $$$
Et en même temps cela nuit à celles qui disent la vérité.
Alors finalement on tourne en rond.
C'est certain que la demande des Clients y est un peu pour quelque chose... Si la demoiselle n'a pas l'air de son âge et qu'elle sait que la demande est pour une plus jeune elle va peut-être mentir et cela va passer comme dans du beurre. Même chose pour les agences.. Pourquoi ne pas tenter le coup ? Si cela rapporte des $$$
Et en même temps cela nuit à celles qui disent la vérité.
Alors finalement on tourne en rond.
K
Kansas Frank
So, EagerBeaver, I don't have to worry about underage SP's if they claim to be 18 -- from Eleganza and WOP. John's SP all look delicious; he's one hell of a recruiter!
KF,
I think the intent of this thread was to discuss SPs showing up who looked older rather than younger than the listed age. My experience with Eleganza is that all of the ladies he is recruiting are in the 18-21 age bracket so he has no need to lie. He is the best recruiter of younger debutantes in Montreal, has been for many years, and there is almost no dispute about it from any reasonable person who is familiar with the Montreal escort business the last 7 or so years.
Maybe he is off by a year or two here and there, but if a girl is 21 rather than 20 who cares?
I think what the thread starter was getting at was much older SPs showing up. My point was this does not happen at Eleganza. He may not be running a perfect agency, but age deflation is not anything John can be accused of because the girls he is employing are all 18-21 for the most part.
I think the intent of this thread was to discuss SPs showing up who looked older rather than younger than the listed age. My experience with Eleganza is that all of the ladies he is recruiting are in the 18-21 age bracket so he has no need to lie. He is the best recruiter of younger debutantes in Montreal, has been for many years, and there is almost no dispute about it from any reasonable person who is familiar with the Montreal escort business the last 7 or so years.
Maybe he is off by a year or two here and there, but if a girl is 21 rather than 20 who cares?
I think what the thread starter was getting at was much older SPs showing up. My point was this does not happen at Eleganza. He may not be running a perfect agency, but age deflation is not anything John can be accused of because the girls he is employing are all 18-21 for the most part.
K
Kansas Frank
EagerBeaver -- excellent points. I always read your postings with great interest and respect. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and insights.
I don't understand why agencies lie about the ages of women who are in their mid to late 20s. Personally, I feel more comfortable with someone who is closer to my age, as some of the younger girls have left something to be desired as far as their service and maturity are concerned. As long as the SP's body hasn't been ravaged by motherhood or drug use and subsequent neglect, who cares? I feel less creepy when I see a more mature SP.
In fairness to the agencies, I'll concede that probably 80% of the girls I've seen are their stated ages or thereabouts. The rest have looked to be maybe 4 years older on average. Now, there is the possibility that the agencies were telling the truth because some people simply age more rapidly than others, especially if they have stressful jobs, health problems, smoke, drink, do drugs, or have kids. Outside of this hobby, I encounter women all of the time who are my age but look 10 years older because of any one or number of the things that I just mentioned. And for some people, it's just genetic. For instance, one of my co-workers has had grey hair since his 20s.
In fairness to the agencies, I'll concede that probably 80% of the girls I've seen are their stated ages or thereabouts. The rest have looked to be maybe 4 years older on average. Now, there is the possibility that the agencies were telling the truth because some people simply age more rapidly than others, especially if they have stressful jobs, health problems, smoke, drink, do drugs, or have kids. Outside of this hobby, I encounter women all of the time who are my age but look 10 years older because of any one or number of the things that I just mentioned. And for some people, it's just genetic. For instance, one of my co-workers has had grey hair since his 20s.
Really,
Let's hope no one is off "by a year or two" on the minus side.
My comments are not directed at any one person, but we are not dealing with the Albert Schweitzer Philanthropic Society when we talk about agency owners in general. Many are okay, but some in the past have been lowdown Rats...in various ways. No doubt the latter type still operate an agency or agencies somewhere.
Two obvious reasons why there might be underage ladies at an agency are: either the owner is unscrupulous or the lady has deceived the owner about her age. Considering how many underage ladies get into bars with fake IDs, which is a common recruiting ground, the risks and/or opportunities for a problem are obvious. Obviously the closer one recruits to 18 years of age the greater the chances of a real underage problem. Having been around this scene since 2001 and exchanged information with dozens and dozens of clients, escorts, and some owners it's clear mistakes in age or deliberate deceptions happen...and will keep happening until there is some sort of legal registration.
Back on subject, partly, in my view the issue of a lady being older than listed at the agency is not as difficult to deal with as the risk of someone being underage. In regards to someone being older than sought, you meet the lady, you take a look, you decide if she does not look young enough for your taste or is just not for you and send her back. Time wasted, but the issue is discernible on sight. For me, if a 30 year old turns me on even though I call for someone listed at 25 I won't worry about. No, I don't like being deceived, but if she does it for me I can live with the age difference.
It's the woman herself not a number that turns me on. If anyone does have a numbers fetish, all I can say about that is after seeing thousands of stats on ladies over the years, in view of certain very noticeable habits of listing stats one thing is clear. There is no way you can ever be sure any number given is accurate.
The issue of her being too young is more difficult unless one is going to check IDs and knows a real one from a fake. But because of privacy issues the handing over an ID is not likely to be forthcoming.
Keep in mind mistakes in age listings are not always about being too low, and a listing of 18 could be too generous, whether the owner knows it or not. So, if something about her indicates an issue...send her back. Yes, I have sent a few back.
Cheers,
Merlot
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Well, most popular SPs don't last very long (especially beautiful ones). The job is stressful, and at one point, they find a boyfriend and that counts more than money. I have noticed there's only a small list of SP that last more than a year. In fact, when a new SP is good, I believe everybody rushes to book her before she 'retires'
K
Kansas Frank
Merlot -- thank you very much for your insightful advice. Your points are well taken and appreciated.
Cheers to you as well.
KF
How hard is it to forge a Canadian driver's license? In the States, most state driver licenses have bar codes, and some are implementing RFID's, such as NY State. They say that biometric technology, like retina scans, can be applied that would be almost impossible to forge. The days of fake ID's to get into a bar by teenagers may be over.
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/10/65243
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/10/65243
daydreamer41,
You seem to forget the case right in New York City a few weeks ago involving the 17 year old daughter of the Ambassador of Thailand who drunkenly fell to her death from the 25th floor of a Manhattan building after using a fake ID to get into Tenjune, where she drank herself into a stupor:
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...sador-falls-to-her-death-in-new-york/19611439
You seem to forget the case right in New York City a few weeks ago involving the 17 year old daughter of the Ambassador of Thailand who drunkenly fell to her death from the 25th floor of a Manhattan building after using a fake ID to get into Tenjune, where she drank herself into a stupor:
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...sador-falls-to-her-death-in-new-york/19611439
A major issue is that every state (and province?) has a different driver's license with different features. Do you honestly think a door guy at a bar or an agency owner is thoroughly trained to spot a real license from a fake one? Maybe the door guy has received training on the features of his own province's license, but clearly not on the features of those of other provinces or states. And I'm sure agency owners have received no training at all. To be sure that a form of ID is real, you'd have to be able to run the license number with the DMV and compare the vital stats on file with those appearing on the ID. How many agency owners have access to that? How many would even care to be this cautious, as long as they have asked for ID during employment screening and have kept a photocopy of whatever they were provided on file (if they even keep records)?
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