White Nationalists March on U of Virginia

[EagerBeaver]

Just to give another point of view, it is just something I do.

If the Liberals / Democrats did not demand the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue and change the name of the park this protest would not have happened.
Liberals / Democrats / Socialists have a habit of wanting to ban, get rid of, make illegal things they do not agree with. They can not conceive a thought that others may like it and want it to remain, it is not to their liking so it must be taken away so no one else can enjoy it. The far right Supremacists saw a fight and did not back down, I am guessing that many people in that town or even in the US would like to see that statue stay.
Just sayin.

The reason for the ban is to avoid exactly this type of nonsense from happening in the first place. Similarly, Germany makes it illegal to perform the Nazi salute. In the news today as well was a drunken American tourist in Germany who made the Nazi salute, and for his trouble he was both punched, and cited by the police:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/world/american-man-nazi-salute-germany-trnd/index.html

Germany avoids Charlottesville type demonstrations by banning Nazi symbology. The Charlottesville riots were caused by the lack of an outright ban on some of this nonsense. In the USA, the First Amendment does protect free speech although it does not protect symbology that incites violence and hatred. There has long been an exception to First Amendment protections for language considered "fighting words" or symbology to the same effect.

 

[Kasey Jones]

you would think that blaming a bunch of heavily armed, nazi-sympathizing yahoos who descended on an American city and ended up killing people would be a pretty easy call... but yeah, sure, its the left's fault for removing a statue of the guy who tried to secede from the United States to defend the institution of slavery...

One side of the political divide has seriously lost the plot, and it ain't the left...

 

[Kasey Jones]

Just to give another point of view, it is just something I do.

c'mon man... be proud... Own it! Don't hide behind this PC "just giving an alternative point of view" stuff. We want to know what the real STN believes!

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

c'mon man... be proud... Own it! Don't hide behind this PC "just giving an alternative point of view" stuff. We want to know what the real STN believes!

Personally I do not care what happens, when I read news articles I look at both sides of the story. Unlike Liberals I am not controlled by the media, there are always two sides to every story. I am a Conservative, not a fan of Liberal governments.
There is truth to the fact that if the Liberals did not demand the statue be taken down none of this would have happened.
But that is just foolish thinking.

 

[Kasey Jones]

Personally I do not care what happens, when I read news articles I look at both sides of the story. Unlike Liberals I am not controlled by the media, there are always two sides to every story. I am a Conservative, not a fan of Liberal governments.
There is truth to the fact that if the Liberals did not demand the statue be taken down none of this would have happened.
But that is just foolish thinking.

I see... Unlike Conservatives, Liberals are just controlled by the media... ok got it...

I'll remember that the next time I find myself defending neo-nazis...

you know, maybe its just the flaming Liberal in me, but the day I found myself defending neo-nazis would probably be the day that I decided that a little introspection would be in order...

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

This is my point, I am not defending neo nazis, something that is hard for you to comprehend. I was stating a point that if the Liberals did not want the statue taken down this would not be an issue.
Liberals only see one point of view, theirs.
Of course I am the evil one who supposedly defends the KKK and am probably the Grand Dragon in some backwood cult.
Keep up with your train of thought, the world will be a better place, click your heals together and all will be in sync and we will enjoy life to the fullest. We will all be one happy family and lord help those who see it differently.

 

[Kasey Jones]

This is my point, I am not defending neo nazis, something that is hard for you to comprehend. I was stating a point that if the Liberals did not want the statue taken down this would not be an issue.

I see... you were just expressing an alternate point of view... they had this coming... you may or may not actually believe it... my bad for not understanding that you disagree with this given how you keep defending it... that's what is wrong with the world.... we can't have an intelligent, adult conversation about the victim being at fault...

Liberals only see one point of view, theirs.

yeah... our bad... we are pretty dismissive of nazis and their feefees... we are working on it. I have signed up for a "Neo-Nazis: So Much Positive To Bring To Public Discourse" seminar... kudos on you for seeing and trying to legitimize the neo-nazi point of view!

Of course I am the evil one who supposedly defends the KKK and am probably the Grand Dragon in some backwood cult.

if you want to cop to being evil and/or the Grand Dragon, that's on you. I never said that or imagined it. I am a Liberal and filled with nothing but compassion for all poor, oppressed Conservatives! I am however, calling you out for blaming Liberals for this. As much as your imagination would like you to believe otherwise, there is no equivalent on the left of a bunch of heavily armed yahoos taking over an American city and driving over and killing protesters. You obviously find some need to defend that and blame the other side... Bitch should have just shut-up, right?

Keep up with your train of thought, the world will be a better place, click your heals together and all will be in sync and we will enjoy life to the fullest. We will all be one happy family and lord help those who see it differently.

meh... maybe I'll just buy a 4X4 and some assault weapons and gently explain my point of view to them...

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The driver who rammed into the crowd was not a KKK member of far right extremist, from what I read he even had a black girlfriend.
I placed no blame on the Liberals, I just pointed out a fact.

How many protests were done by the left wing groups? How many cars and stores were destroyed? How many people were injured?
Too many questions to comprehend? Looking for an alternative ending when there is none.
Protests are fine when done by the left wing but when a right wing protests all shit hits the fan.
As I said, the driver was not KKK member, just some pissed off kid.
I am not a fan of the KKK and not a fan of Trump but do dislike the Liberals who have to have things their way, if not they go on a rant, want what they dislike to be removed, make laws against it.
Why could the statue that has been there for over 100 not stay where it was? Some politically correct group felt it needed to be removed because of something that happened 100 years ago.
Some off the wall Muslim carries out an attack and it is called an incident qith a disturbed individual, someone at a KKK rally kills someone and it is the right wing KKK's fault.
Nice double standards, almost forgot, we can not say anythimg bad about Islam, will be punishable soon. Liberal law.

Something else to ponder.
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt placed Japansese American people in internment camps, and ordered a mass deportation of Mexicans and Mexican Americans from the United States, regardless if they were American-born.
Will all his statues be removed also or was that racism different?
Tough question is it not.

I edited the part sayimg the driver was not a KKK member, just read a post saying he was a member of some sort.

 

[westwoody]

Why could the statue that has been there for over 100 not stay where it was? Some politically correct group felt it needed to be removed because of something that happened 100 years ago.

Well the statue is only there because of something that happened a hundred years ago.

It was called slavery. Disliking slavery is not really politically correct. Slavery is generally considered a bad thing.

If you are in favour of slavery and oppressing blacks then your resentment is understandable.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Not a fan of slavery but it is the same as racism, the Chinese were basically used as slaves in the US and there is not a peep from the left wing groups.
Easy to chose which groups to rebel against, which groups to feel sorry for and which ones do not matter.
Slavery, racism, bigotery, all the same but get treated differently.
Why is that? Does it depend on their color, which group is more vocal? Which group gets funding from Soros?

 

[Kasey Jones]

The driver who rammed into the crowd was not a KKK member of far right extremist, from what I read he even had a black girlfriend.

there is a picture of him in Vanguard America regalia at the protest

I placed no blame on the Liberals, I just pointed out a fact.

yes... you pointed out that the victims should be blamed...

You placed blame on the KKK and they were not involved in the actions of the driver.

where did I do that? I talked about neo-nazis... the Vanguard America uniform would seem to prove me right. Point me to where I said anything about the KKK.

How many protests were done by the left wing groups? How many cars and stores were destroyed? How many people were injured?
Too many questions to comprehend? Looking for an alternative ending when there is none.
Protests are fine when done by the left wing but when a right wing protests all shit hits the fan.

wtf? a bunch of heavily armed neo-nazis came to town looking for trouble... you are just trying to deflect blame. For a guy who never blamed Liberals, you sure do seem to always find a way to blame liberals and then try to skate away... SHENANIGANS I SAY!

As I said, the driver was not KKK member, just some pissed off kid.

yes, its always a pissed off lone-wolf who has nothing to do with the right... dummies like us imagine there is a pattern to this type of violence. thank goodness you are here to tell us its all our fault and that we are just imagining it anyways...

I am not a fan of the KKK and not a fan of Trump but do dislike the Liberals who have to have things their way, if not they go on a rant, want what they dislike to be removed, make laws against it.

well at least we don't drive over people... And conservatives never rant when things don't go their way? Feels like I'm always commenting on the latest Conservative victim threads around here...

Why could the statue that has been there for over 100 not stay where it was? Some politically correct group felt it needed to be removed because of something that happened 100 years ago.

Why do blacks and women have the vote? Not everyone is cool with slavery and its sybology... imagine that...

Some off the wall Muslim carries out an attack and it is called an incident qith a disturbed individual, someone at a KKK rally kills someone and it is the right wing KKK's fault.
Nice double standards, almost forgot, we can not say anythimg bad about Islam, will be punishable soon. Liberal law.

holy smokes... wow... a neo-nazi kills someone and we should be talking about how bad those Islamist terrorists are...
How about we talk about how funny it is that right-wing extremists (who have nothing to do with true Conservatives and Republicans nudge-nudge wink-wink) seem to be adopting the same methods but only some of them are terrorists...

Something else to ponder.
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt placed Japansese American people in internment camps, and ordered a mass deportation of Mexicans and Mexican Americans from the United States, regardless if they were American-born.
Will all his statues be removed also or was that racism different?
Tough question is it not.

nice attempt at deflection... we'll talk again when heavily armed Bolsheviks invade an American city and kill people because Conservatives want to remove a statue of FDR.

Just so we are clear... do you believe that bringing assault rifles and chanting nazi slogans is an appropriate way to protest the removal of a statue on public grounds? Do you believe that driving into a crowd of counter-protesters is an appropriate response to the removal of said statue?

 

[joelcairo]

Ahh Kasey, you're using facts and logic. Isn't that unfair when debating a right wing supporter who denies being a right wing supporter?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

If you read post 28 I edited the part of the driver not being a KKK member, read updated news and changed the post before your 3 comments against it.
I am not for slavery but what happened in the past is history and it will always be history. Many groups slaughtered other grouos in history, nothing to do with what is happening now so no use in getting excited about it.
My points about Liberals needing to gwt rid of what they do not like stands, it pisses off a lot of people noy just the KKK and to agree with that does not mean you agree with what the KKK does.
Not a deflection when I post about other things that happen in history of what other groups do, just pointing out that other similar things happen and it passes by Liberals.
Racist groups, BLM is one for sure, the violent protesters, look at all the not too friendly protesters at the universities, throwing moltave cocktails must be OK with you guys as it could not harm anyone, smashimg business windows and stealing is also a cool thing to do.
Bring up that the Chinese were treated like slaves has no concern.
Not sure about what facts you need but obviously you see only what you want to see and other crimes do not exist.
Must be special to live in your world.

 

[joelcairo]

Listen everyone: Isn't that the sound of a broken record being played?

 

[westwoody]

Those who forget about the past are doomed to repeat it.

The statues glorifies and mis represents a well documented historical person. The Civil War was the worst war in US history.
The statue represents oppression and injustice that continues today.
Not just historical wrongs, but the violence and threats commited by right wing extremists right now.
Last night those extremists were beating up people in the streets. That is not "in the past".

Those right wing terrorists are the best argument for the destruction of the statue.

 

[Titilleur]

What is funny (and strange, maybe) is that Republicans lead the war against slavery during the 1800's...

And now what?

 

[jalimon]

Completely true Titilleur. Seems they fucked up. Is it beyond repair?

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Ahh Kasey, you're using facts and logic. Isn't that unfair when debating a right wing supporter who denies being a right wing supporter?

Wow, " Facts " when he gave his opinion. Logic when it is his opinion.
I am guessing you have a hot line to the socialist headquarters.
Facts are what I gave plus opinions. Facts are that the Chinese were slaves, facts were that other leaders were racists.
Before you run your mouth about facts you should look up the meaning.

Just to add: Kasey Jones comment about heavily armed KKK members, from what I read so far one person was caught with a hand gun, heavily armed ( Joelcario will believe you anyway ).

I would like to see some replies about the racism against the Chinese, the violence from the left wing groups at the universities ( you know, the friendly ones with their face covered throwing molotov cocktails and bricks ), Black Lives Matter also showed up with guns.. Reason being is that it is legal in that state to carry these weapons.

Weapons, car.. Driven by Islamic extremist, nothing to do with Islam, when driven by white supremacist everything to do with Republicians.
Action Islamic extremist foucs on possible hate crimes against Muslims.Action against White Supremist, focus on right wing hate.
Narrative, Islamic extremist, we are not divided we stand united. We carry on as normal. Narrative White supremacist, we are more divided than ever, blame the republicans.
Protest against by feminist to Islamic extremists Zero, protests against White Supremacists endless.

For myself the past is the past, history is just that, the past, over with.
For some groups they want to abolish history, pretend it never happened.

 

[joelcairo]

Wow, " Facts " when he gave his opinion. Logic when it is his opinion.
I am guessing you have a hot line to the socialist headquarters.
Facts are what I gave plus opinions. Facts are that the Chinese were slaves, facts were that other leaders were racists.
Before you run your mouth about facts you should look up the meaning.

Maybe you should admit what you're all about. I bet your favorite river is De Nile.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Listen everyone: Isn't that the sound of a broken record being played?

You squalk like a parrot.