White Nationalists March on U of Virginia

[Kasey Jones]

Saying that the Confederate War was primarily about slavery is historical revisionism.

Really? Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens disagrees with you... read his Cornerstone Speech delivered on March 21, 1861. Here's a lovely low-light to get you warmed up...

Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

or how about this bit where he pretty explicitly spells it out...

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right.

and it just keeps getting better... its based on science and the laws of nature and the will of God...

. . . look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgement of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws.

historical revisionism my ass... the historical revisionism is pretty much exactly the opposite of what you claim. evil motherf@ckers then, evil motherf@ckers now...

 

[Doc Holliday]

Kasey Jones knows his stuff! :thumb:

 

[Titilleur]

anon_vlad, Google is your friend...

Search: "Causes of civil war", "Origins of secession", "Reasons of secession" and any other variant you may like on the subject of the American Civil War... One of the main reasons WAS slavery.

Here is another one... Abraham Lincoln won the 1860 Presidential Election while his name was not on the ballot in TEN Southern States... That was a political move. Lincoln was a member of the new anti-slavery Republican Party. But the Republicans did not want the voters in those 10 States to vote against the GOP.

 

[bignasty]

Robert E. Lee was one of the greatest Generals in U.S. history, having been educated and trained at West Point alongside Ulysses S. Grant. The Confederate army was far inferior to the Union Army in size and armaments, yet under General lee they fought valiantly. Unfortunately Lee was on the wrong side of history in America's darkest days. But guess who else was on the wrong side of history - just about every one of our founding fathers. Yes, almost all of the U.S. Presidents owned slaves up until the Civil War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_owned_slaves
Jefferson, who built his Monticello Mansion in the hills overlooking his beloved U. of Virginia owned hundreds of slaves. Jefferson even had sex with his slaves, including Sally Hemmings. More than likely he raped her because he was much older than her and how could a captive slave submit to his sexual advances? I digress. The point is that if you lived in the U.S. colonies in the 1700's up til the Civil war and you lived in the agrarian South, you most likely owned slaves. Even good old Benjamin Franklin owned slaves. WHAT!!!! http://www.benjaminfranklinhouse.or...-Summer 200 Benjamin Franklin and Slavery.pdf Of course Ulysses S. Grant didn't own any slaves - WRONG AGAIN!!! http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/presidents-who-owned-slaves/
The point being that we shouldn't try and bury our history but should instead try and understand it and learn from it.

 

[westwoody]

Lee's own opinion:

"I think it wiser, moreover, not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered. Very respectfully, Your obedient servant, R. E. Lee. "

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[EagerBeaver]

General Lee graduated number 2 in his class from West Point behind Charles Mason and Mason and he still have the two highest grade point averages in West Point history. Third on that list is General Douglas MacArthur. All military history I have read viewed General Lee as a superior military mind and one of the great soldiers in history. His job was to command an army, not politics, so his political views are/were irrelevant to a discussion of his historical merit as a military leader. I think he was almost without question one of the top 5 great military leaders in American history.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Last week i began watching Ken Burns' American Civil War documentary series once again and at the time the civil war started, Robert E. Lee was generally regarded as the top military mind in the nation. Lee was torn when he made the decision to join the Confederacy. Lincoln had wanted him to be the Union's top general, but Lee felt that since he was from Virginia and that Virginia had finally decided to leave the Union, his allegiance was to his state and he chose to remain with it. I'd have to watch the first episode again but i believe Lee was anti-slavery at the time.

But although Robert E. Lee was highly regarded for his military skills by the likes of Ulysses Grant, William Tecumseh Sherman and Abraham Lincoln, his statue was removed not necessarily because of who he was but mostly because it was a symbol of the Confederacy. White people may have a harder time than african-americans to understand this, but memories of the Confederacy and what it stood for brings a lot of pain to the nation's african-americans. The Confederacy should not be celebrated. Plus they lost the war and economically many of its states have never recovered. That war ravaged and destroyed the South.

 

[cloudsurf]

Question for STN....what do you think of Faith Goldy. She is hot as hell , but what do you think of her politics?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Question for STN....what do you think of Faith Goldy. She is hot as hell , but what do you think of her politics?

Never heard of her, do not care. I just relay what I read and I read from both sides of the fence.

Just checked, do not read the rebel so I know nothing about her or what she writes.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

The recent car/van killing in Barcelona, the lefties are saying we must stand united when a Muslim group does a deed like this but when a single alt right guy rams a car into a crowd it is that the country is divided and the Trump victory helped this happen, WTF. The dead girls mother said " they " tried to silence her, really? My condolences to the dead girls family but there was no " they ".
Just stating points I have read but the KKK had a permit to protest, it is legal to carry weapons in that state, the left group knew that a fight would start if they showed up.
My opinion... No one should be carrying any Nazi type material, no one should carry automatic weapons at a protest, no opposing protest group should be allowed to interfere in a protest. The police / army should have been there with water cannons and pepper spray to disperse the crowd when any altercations started.

 

[jalimon]

STN that's the thing. It's not a Muslin group that did the attack in Barcelona. It's a small group of radicalized Muslim. Exactly like the small group of radicalized white supremacist wingnut in Virginia. Should we ban all whites to condemn them?

All human are equal and only peace can work. Only PEACE nothing else.

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Jalimon. Did you proof read your response? It is a group of Muslims, a radicalized group of Muslims is still a group of Muslims.
But I am guessing a group of KKK members is a group of Conservatives.

 

[Titilleur]

Carrying guns is legal in Virginia... But using them against humans IS NOT.

So, the freaking alt-rightists were pushing the limit of their stupidity...

They had all the rights in the World to go there peacefully, WITHOUT GUNS, to voice their opinions. The antifa would have welcome them accordingly.

But instead of that, the alt-rightists chose the path of a violent confrontation...

 

[jalimon]

Jalimon. Did you proof read your response? It is a group of Muslims, a radicalized group of Muslims is still a group of Muslims.

Yes true. But you should always put the word radicalized when you write something like you wrote. If not,dumb people do not make the difference. They associate all Muslim to terrorist and this is very dangerous as it leads to hate and racism. Which are the 2 worst thing a human being can be.
I know a lot of Muslim and they are pretty peaceful let me tell you.

Cheers,

 

[cloudsurf]

Question for STN....what do you think of Faith Goldy. She is hot as hell , but what do you think of her politics?

She is the Canadian equivalent of Ann Coulter , but brighter, prettier, and way more telegenic.
I read her tweets and while I don`t agree with some of her more extreme alt-right views, she makes sense on many levels.
This girl is a super star in the making. She will hold a cabinet position in the next Conservative government.

 

[jalimon]

She is the Canadian equivalent of Ann Coulter , but brighter, prettier, and way more telegenic.
I read her tweets and while I don`t agree with some of her more extreme alt-right views, she makes sense on many levels.
This girl is a super star in the making. She will hold a cabinet position in the next Conservative government.

Cloudsurf she is trying to make people understand current American identity problems with a Canadian mind. She use very simplistic approach to a very complex situation. Most often she is completely off the track but she is listened because she is cute as hell. It helps!

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Yes true. But you should always put the word radicalized when you write something like you wrote. If not,dumb people do not make the difference. They associate all Muslim to terrorist and this is very dangerous as it leads to hate and racism. Which are the 2 worst thing a human being can be.
I know a lot of Muslim and they are pretty peaceful let me tell you.

Cheers,

Islam is a religion of hate, instead of looking at percentages since there are 1.6 billion Muslims here are some numbers.
25 million Muslims would carry out some terrorist act, that is only a small percentage, the startling fact is that 700 million would agree that these acts are OK even though they would not do the deed themselves.
Look at the rise of rapes when Muslims move to countries, the numbers skyrocket, they think it is a good thing to rape white women, blondes are basically a trophy.
Some areas of London the local police will not even go into.
Kind of hard to preach peace when you put Islam into the sentence.
The Muslim London mayor says terrorist acts are part of being a big city, really? How many terrorist acts are commited in China or Japan... None, reason... No Muslims.
You knowing a lot of Muslims, there are 1.6 billion, what percentage do you know.
When those cartoonists were killed in France hundreds of thousands of Muslims and millions in the middle east protests and called for their heads, you are right, not all would pull the trigger but they are happy the trigger was pulled.

 

[cloudsurf]

Jalimon, sometimes it doesn`t hurt to explain complex situations in more simplistic ways ....ways that the average person can understand.
A good example is Stephen Hawkins explaining all the enormous complexities of Space and Time in a short, 50 or so page book.

Mark my word....Faith Goldy will go far in Canadian politics if she moderates her views and moves more to the center.

 

[jalimon]

I agree with you that scientific vulgarization is important as not even intelligent people like me would understand anything without it

"People who join violent extremist groups tend to score low on measures of what researchers call “integrative complexity,” a scale of one’s ability to think about things in a nuanced, multifaceted way" explained Alejandro Beutel, who researches violent extremist ideologies.

“People who are the most extreme and the most violent score low on these types of things,” Beutel said. “They often tend to think in very black-and-white ways rather than in much more complex, gray ways.“

And believe me it's the same with the young radicalized that blew people up in Barcelona. Education and peace are the ONLY solution.

Cheers,

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

So your statement would apply to left and right. With the radicalized Muslims it does not help that there is inbreeding with the Muslims, first cousin marriaige is allowed and even encouraged in the Koran. Inbreeding not only lowers the IQ but decreases problem solving and makes them prone to violence. Studies in European countries show that after massive influx of refugees the countries average IQ lowers.
The first step to solving any problem is admitting we have one, we have one religion ( If you want to call it that ) that is the major issue in the world right now. Saying we must stand united after a terrorist attack does not work and solves nothing.
Also to note, extreme Muslims usually target Liberal/ Socialist countries as they are easier to manipulate.