Would You Book a Service Provider if You Knew She Was Being Pimped?

[Obvio-0bvio]

I am curious to know if any of you have would book with service providers who are being controlled by a pimp, or if you have discovered that a provider is being pimped out. Would you consider booking her services again?

Personally, I would not engage with anyone who is being pimped out for several reasons. Firstly, the service quality tends to be subpar and rushed. Secondly, I have no tolerance for those who exploit vulnerable individuals, especially women. While I hold all women in high esteem, I refuse to support a pimp's criminal actions and manipulative intentions.

I understand that service providers may be manipulated and I feel sympathy for them, as I am a compassionate person. Most importantly, I cannot engage in any intimate encounters with someone who is being coerced into providing services against their will.I have specific limits, values and conscience in place when dealing with service providers.

 

[curly]

Define pimped.

 

[bodick7]

For some SPs, it’s like saying the P word…

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

Define pimped.

From my perspective, a pimp can be defined as someone who uses coercion to compel individuals into becoming service providers, particularly in the sex industry. This involves brainwashing and manipulating them into a business they had no prior awareness or interest in, all for the financial gain of the pimp and without giving a dime to their victims. It's important to note that agencies operate differently, as they do not force individuals into the sex industry. Most agencies provide fair compensation for their services, and individuals typically choose to work with an agency after carefully considering and understanding the nature of the work. In contrast, victims of pimps are often unwilling participants who never intended to enter the sex industry. I bring up agencies in this discussion because I understand the direction of your inquiry.

 

[Jambon69]

definitely not!

 

[Julia Sky]

Pimps don't necessarily use coercion, agency owner are pimps by definition (and some do have shady antics that girls speak up about to other girls but not to clients for obvious reasons). I know people don't like to think about this fact but a spade is a spade! So this complicates this question a little but I think it's obvious you're referring to a specific type of pimp. I'm sure most clients would rather not patronize shady business, I'm sure there are some who don't care too but I'm guessing they're the minority

 

[bodick7]

but I think it's obvious you're referring to a specific type of pimp.

The parasite ones…

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Most people are saying they won't see them, of course. My question would be, do we always know? It seems obvious in some cases, but is it always clear that someone is pimped/coerced? Are clients, some of whom are commenting on this board, seeing very vulnerable women in survival / heavy drug use states (for the low rate they offer) better?

 

[Porshasnow]

Your n1 reason for not seeing them is service based? Really? Not them being trafficked? Why is this even needed as a thread. Like mentioned, there’s always some pressure, coercion exercised in agencies. That’s why there’s such a turnover.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

The parasite ones…

I clearly understand what you are implying here, so when does an agency falls in that category? We have read stories (well I did) where some providers were "coerced" to offer certain services that, at first they didn’t agreed to. There is different ways to achieve this, the most common is to get the girl used to make money for a while then start to cut her booking(income) pretending that it’s because she refuses to go full GFE and that’s what clients are looking for.

 

[Julia Sky]

I clearly understand what you are implying here, so when does an agency falls in that category? We have read stories (well I did) where some providers were "coerced" to offer certain services that, at first they didn’t agreed to. There is different ways to achieve this, the most common is to get the girl used to make money for a while then start to cut her booking(income) pretending that it’s because she refuses to go full GFE and that’s what clients are looking for.

Exactly! I've also heard of agencies sending the bad/blacklisted clients to new girls because they won't know better. This is abusive. A friend of mine had a blacklisted client as her first client at an agency who knew he was bad news and told her "you better make him happy". This resulted in her being coerced into BBFS on her very first appointment.

I've heard of agency owners and drivers cutting a girl's bookings because she wouldn't have sex with them.

I've had a booking with a salon owner where he showed me, a random person, all the cameras from the salon for no reason other than to brag. I'm sure these women didn't consent to strangers watching them at work on camera lol.

I've heard of an agency owner, from a merb-known agency, coercing girls into offering services they don't want to offer and I'm not even talking about gfe, I'm talking about extras and stuff that usually isn't standard service.

There are 1001 way agency owners are no better than whatever image people have in mind when they hear the word "pimp"... where do we draw the line?

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I've had a booking with a salon owner where he showed me, a random person, all the cameras from the salon for no reason other than to brag. I'm sure these women didn't consent to strangers watching them at work on camera lol.

That would deserve to be outed out imho, it is a criminal offense and maybe more than one!

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

… where do we draw the line?

It’s always been a major concern for me, I have used agencies 3 times in my life, always left with a weird gut feeling. Same can apply to certain massage places, at least I know of one that I am 100% certain nothing like this is going on there.

 

[Rosie Sparkles]

Cant stress enough to support your local independants providers! Yes the price is higher, which is always the case when looking for more "ethical" services.

 

[Rosie Sparkles]

I often get laugh react when suggesting to do humane things on this forum like free food, free roofs, or supporting independants instead of pimps... I guess it's easier to laugh when you are not directly victim or in danger to fall victim of that kind of violence. Just the idea of a more ''ethical'' way of meeting sound funny to someone that sees sex work as inerhently degrading, I'm sure. But I guess hoping for respect here is too much to ask. I'll not expend further on the issue as I don't have space for that kind of bad energy.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Just the idea of a more ''ethical'' way of meeting sound funny to someone that sees sex work as inerhently degrading, I'm sure

. Of course some would jump on any occasion to promote themselves and their peers, it was too predictable, hence the laughs. But I understand the promotional appeal, I just couldn’t resist.
Now that statement where you allow yourself to jump to these kind of conclusions about someone you literally don’t know got me rolling on the floor! Please don’t stop, I’m always in for entertainment.

 

[Wearethenight]

Exactly! I've also heard of agencies sending the bad/blacklisted clients to new girls because they won't know better. This is abusive. A friend of mine had a blacklisted client as her first client at an agency who knew he was bad news and told her "you better make him happy". This resulted in her being coerced into BBFS on her very first appointment.

I've heard of agency owners and drivers cutting a girl's bookings because she wouldn't have sex with them.

I've had a booking with a salon owner where he showed me, a random person, all the cameras from the salon for no reason other than to brag. I'm sure these women didn't consent to strangers watching them at work on camera lol.

I've heard of an agency owner, from a merb-known agency, coercing girls into offering services they don't want to offer and I'm not even talking about gfe, I'm talking about extras and stuff that usually isn't standard service.

There are 1001 way agency owners are no better than whatever image people have in mind when they hear the word "pimp"... where do we draw the line?

As a former agency girl, what Julia said is exactly true, while I worked for two well known agencies (incall and outcall) agencies and I won't share who they are. I can tell you that coercion is a real thing while not always direct. I am a GFE plus provider meaning I am comfortable with cim dfk etc but some gfe girls who are not comfortable offering cim are pushed and pushed not only by the owners to offer it but by reviewers, clients etc.

Myself I am not comfortable offering anal guess what? I was constantly asked all the time even begged by clients and a booker or too told me I would make more tips etc. I would book completely in a shift that I work why would I want to do that if I am not comfortable.

Also, I am not a party girl, cannabis is fine for me on occasion, but I hate clients on blow/meth/exstacy. They can have a psychosis episode and become dangerous. I was even encouraged to take blow with clients as they book multiple hours, I said no way I don't want to be an addict. Not to mention the heavy drug using clients have a higher risk of contracting HIV and other diseases, even with regular gfe service you are more at risk, anyone who gets tested regularly will be asked this question from a doctor and or nurse. Some of my colleagues would be putting 12 plus hours or more with these clients and are encouraged to as many hours as they can. It's literally not worth the brain damage that comes from all that crap, the obvious danger you put yourself in with a client who might have a psychotic episode or an OD and yes I can tell you that some of my colleagues had drug overdoses and some have died, you guys think it's all roses that girls work for agencies it is not, hence why I won't work for one ever again.

 

[AirBo]

Amazing thread, @Obvio-0bvio ! Some necessary truth bombs being dropped on agency shady practices here.

Here are a couple of my own:

• Some agencies are the main pushers of hard drugs for their girls. Keeping them hooked keeps them working, and makes them provide services beyond their limits.
• Whenever a girl leaves an agency to become indy, the agency will endlessly book her left and right with no show, or send some of their worst clients.

Some agency owners / bookers / drivers are no better than your low life pimp on LL. If anything, the fact that they manage to run a successful business (having enough girls to officially run an agency) tells a lot on how far they're willing to go.

Sad but true... The most successful ones are often the worst...

 

[CaptRenault]

...agency owner are pimps by definition...I know people don't like to think about this fact..

How do we know whether you have a pimp?

 

[Toto beefcake]

This thread opens up a bag worms involving everything. Aside from the pimping situation, heres another one.

would people still visit establishments wether agency or mp that its known that some of the providers are offering bbfs?

thanks for the thread obvio, as usual you make the mind work ! Lol