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Would you see an sp who does not provide lfk and dfk

talkinghead

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Like some of the posters, I don't do dfk and so it it wouldn't matter to me at all. I would say that as long as the advertising is coded clearly and expectations are understood, then everyone (client and sp) should be able to set whatever limits they want. I do think it's out of bounds to advertise GFE and then not do DFK.

The one thing I want to add is that an SP can most certainly be passionate and enthusiastic about the time together even if she doesn't do dfk. In fact, I'm not sure I see any connection between the two. I understand it would break the illusion of a girlfriend-type intimacy, but that's an illusion (and, for many, a wonderful one) to begin with. A few people have said that if the girl doesn't do dfk, then it seems like they're just in it for the money. I know how that goes, and it is indeed depressing to be with a woman who looks uncomfortable (or worse) with her job; I hate feeling like I'm exploiting someone. But even the best chemistry is conditioned by the mercantile nature of the experience. The great 18th century author Samuel Johnson famously said that "no one but a blockhead ever wrote except for money," and the same is true in this "hobby," which is a hobby only for one side of the participants. I recently saw Alexandra from Vogue and she is the closest thing I've experienced to an SP who is in it for the experience ... sigh ... but she did not turn down my payment at the end of the night. Personally, GFE is not my thing and the fact that I'm paying for pleasure doesn't ruin it at all for me; in fact, weird as it may sound, it's sometimes part of the pleasure, certainly part of the reciprocity of the evening. In short, when we treat SPs like wonderful professionals (and not either objects or friends), and as long as expectations are clear, I don't see any connection between passion, pleasure, business, and the specific "menu" options.

I probably shouldn't come out here on a quiet Sunday afternoon. Gets my motor running with nowhere to go....
 

gaby

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Like some of the posters, I don't do dfk and so it it wouldn't matter to me at all. I would say that as long as the advertising is coded clearly and expectations are understood, then everyone (client and sp) should be able to set whatever limits they want. I do think it's out of bounds to advertise GFE and then not do DFK.

The one thing I want to add is that an SP can most certainly be passionate and enthusiastic about the time together even if she doesn't do dfk. In fact, I'm not sure I see any connection between the two. I understand it would break the illusion of a girlfriend-type intimacy, but that's an illusion (and, for many, a wonderful one) to begin with. A few people have said that if the girl doesn't do dfk, then it seems like they're just in it for the money. I know how that goes, and it is indeed depressing to be with a woman who looks uncomfortable (or worse) with her job; I hate feeling like I'm exploiting someone. But even the best chemistry is conditioned by the mercantile nature of the experience. The great 18th century author Samuel Johnson famously said that "no one but a blockhead ever wrote except for money," and the same is true in this "hobby," which is a hobby only for one side of the participants. I recently saw Alexandra from Vogue and she is the closest thing I've experienced to an SP who is in it for the experience ... sigh ... but she did not turn down my payment at the end of the night. Personally, GFE is not my thing and the fact that I'm paying for pleasure doesn't ruin it at all for me; in fact, weird as it may sound, it's sometimes part of the pleasure, certainly part of the reciprocity of the evening. In short, when we treat SPs like wonderful professionals (and not either objects or friends), and as long as expectations are clear, I don't see any connection between passion, pleasure, business, and the specific "menu" options.

I probably shouldn't come out here on a quiet Sunday afternoon. Gets my motor running with nowhere to go....
Thanks gentleman for your comments . Very very interesting. talkinghead i really like your point de vue with the subtil distinction of...passionnate and enthusiastic.
The reason i started this thread is cause the 2 last encounters i had was with a girl who was not providing any any kissing....and it was clear from the start with her....very honest,,,
Like many of you am a GFE guy...i will not go or REPEAT with a girl who does not provide the FULL GFE experience. ...BUT with her am going through a very very new experience. This girl FOR ME is beautiful, charmante , with a very nice body, non clockwatcher at all.. I really enjoyed my time with her ,,,we have fun together.....BUT i don't feel the PASSION.... just a great ENTHUSIASM. Except the kissing ,she will do all what i want.
So that's it ....i don't know how long it will stand.....but for now it's ok.....am comfortable with her.
Thanks again to all for your in put.
 
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Lily from Montreal

It's a must and I am always disappointed when I meet and my date doesn't want to kiss,it happens more with couple where ,and I am sure it is a girl thing,'they want to keep that for them''..
hum,ok,but me I keep forgetting because it is so much part of the experience for me and some kisses are given inadvertently...

Funny story: It happened once that I met a gentleman and we started kissing but it was kind of awkward,he then stopped ans said he thought I was more into kissing?
I said yes but you kept your gum ? He then removed the obstacle and after it as very nice indeed lol
 

Cruiser777

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I always ask BEFORE we start the session if she is OK giving me the services such as DFK..if she hesitates, it is a true sign, and I then tell her that she can leave

If she agrees to, and then reneges on the agreement, it is reflected in an honest review

Good point Smuler

Personally its not a deal breaker, early on my hobbying days I had few non DFK sessions which turned out to be
good encounters. Girls with DFK, sessions were even better.

But these days when they advertise GFE, you expect basic services that comes with GFE.

But then again nothing is guaranteed, I had girls from reputable GFE agencies that were not up to par, so obviously
no recommendation and no repeat.

One girl, asked money up front (This is rare these days, BAD sign No 1) then right after that she goes I don't do any kissing
(BAD sign No 2), should have let her go, but I went with the booker"s excellent service suggestion...needles to say that the
encounter turned out one those (I wish I hadn't booked this girl).

So I guess DFK, most of the time = good service ( ? ).
 

smuler

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Hi Cruiser...:wave:

I always give a nice interview to make sure that a girl is comfortable with me

I always ask HER, if she is OK with me

If she is not, she can always leave..it is always her decision

If I cannot get her to laugh or smile ( which has never happened in my case ) , then i will tell her that she can leave

Best Regards

Smuler
 

chefboyrduf

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It's a must for me. It's part of the experience.
I always ask or know from a review it DFK is on the menu. Along with other important services.
I once asked a sp if kissing was allowed and was told "I'm not kissing you with the same lips I kiss my kid with" To which I replied "but you have no trouble BBBJ and kissing your kid" She didn't think I was funny. I left.
Just my two cents.
Later
Chef
 

johnybird

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Not Kissing?

oh boy would it be hard not to kiss, real hard.
No! I couldn't do it without kissing, I mean if you cant kiss what's the point right?

It's like saying
"Give me a hug but don't squeeze"
"You can slow dance with me but keep your distance"
"Here's your pasta sir but you're not allowed to add freshly grated Parmesan cheese"
 

panthere

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It's a must for me. It's part of the experience.
I always ask or know from a review it DFK is on the menu. Along with other important services.
I once asked a sp if kissing was allowed and was told "I'm not kissing you with the same lips I kiss my kid with" To which I replied "but you have no trouble BBBJ and kissing your kid" She didn't think I was funny. I left.
Just my two cents.
Later
Chef
Hihihihiihi...i gonna take your quote from now on...:thumb:...Good one mister chef lolll...I luv it...
And for myself...NO DFK...NO ENCOUNTER...simple as that...
damn i love that answer you gave...:lol:
 
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Lily from Montreal

I agree except for the cheese,I do not like parmesan lol but love pasta and kisses...
 

doucelangue

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I guess that kissing gives the impression or the illusion,what ever to be desired. As simp,e as thaht.

But i do not necessarily for it when i feel there is not an opening (ouverture, way of speaking ).
I then try to go with the flow. And as said above, i would not do it every time.

Doucelangue
 
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Lily from Montreal

Hihihi,thanks for the laugh this morning,best way (after sex) to start my day xxx
 

Robert 21

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Yes to LFK/DFK....hygiene (fresh breath) is a must...
All Girl Friends I have been with we Kissed.
GFE
Urban Dictionary said:
Girlfriend Experience
When an escort offers a service more akin to a 'real' relationship rather than just sex. The escort may go with the payer to dinner / the movies etc and engage in conversation, kissing and so forth, before retiring for sex (as what might occur when dating). Men who indulge in such Girlfriend Experiences with escorts are said to be enjoying The Hobby.
 

pat98

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Yes to LFK/DFK....hygiene (fresh breath) is a must...
All Girl Friends I have been with we Kissed.
GFE
I hope so... myself too ... every GF I had, we kissed lol

Problem here is IT IS AN ILLUSION
GFE as per the acronym is only a way to describe, without saying it, some sexual services!

So when a girl is "advertised" or advertized herself as such...
MOST of the time it is to tell something about "services" and NOT necessarily about a so called "Girl Friend Experience" and yeah luckily, of course, it happens! ;)
Myself, I think it is more because of great chemistry and a way to put the girl at ease!
They are not "robots" but well, some are :D
 

PopeDover

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I think it is more because of great chemistry and a way to put the girl at ease

or maybe put her at quease? :eek:

I rarely DFK & typically feel too self-conscious when I do. I do enjoy it as a romantic tension breaker or when I'm piss drunk but neither hardly applies when I'm with an escort. My loss perhaps, but I also might simply suck at it. According to the official internet instruction manual, I fuck up the basics pretty bad, outside of step 6.

but seriously, I take Pat's points as gospel and suggest all do the same even though he cant count and shouldn't apologize for telling the truth even when he's being tongue in cheek ;)
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Doggyluver

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Hihihihiihi...i gonna take your quote from now on...:thumb:...Good one mister chef lolll...I luv it...
And for myself...NO DFK...NO ENCOUNTER...simple as that...
damn i love that answer you gave...:lol:

Let's not forget those are the same lips and mouth that gave a BBBJ to the guy who just left her
 
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