ymmv, lack of experience or new guy policy?

[dapiaoke]

Hi hobbyists, I just completed my first adventure with agency and I had a moderate good 1.5 hrs there. The girl is pretty new there and she's really cute and sweet. We basically talked for like 30 mins, which I enjoyed and really helps to put a new shy clumsy semi-first timer like me at ease, and she said I'm funny too.

But she seems, at least to me, less interested to get down to the "business"? We started LFK, she said I'm a good kisser, which really made me happy:love: And I started to use my tongue a little bit but she didn't response me with hers. I think it is not quite appropriate to stick my tongue into the girl's mouth, so we stayed LFK.

And then, she offered to put caps for the blow job, saying it's safer. Again, I never really know the business except reading a shit load of comments here, which gives me the impression that BBBJ is pretty much a given for GFE, but still, I don't like to ask(or should I?) for things that the girl doesn't quite want to do, so I went along with CBJ, which I wasn't enjoying.

Oh, by the way, I remember there was a thread saying too many porns and masturbation make people numb and I truly felt it, I was not very aroused except when she sat on my face for DATY(my good idea, lol) and definitely not feeling it in CBJ. She ran out of trick in the end I suppose, which I don't really blame her. Maybe I'm her last client and she's tired. Besides, with a hot naked girl like her in front of me, I should've felt the instant urge without any effort required from the other side but clearly and sadly, not today.

So back to my question, I'm not really an acronym seeker but it would be nice to have them if you know what I mean. Plus, I saw that she did offer BBBJ and DFK in her review thread, which hurts my ego a little bit(half joking). I actually showered twice and we spent some time to get to know each other, so I think the chemistry was OK. I don't really think it is a ymmv case.

So, folks, I'm genuinely asking for your advice. I'm not complaining and like I said before, I still had a good time despite all that but I do think I could do better next time. Do you think it is a ymmv or what could I do better next time(of course after I reboot my brain , like be a little more aggressive in asking what I want? Or maybe, just maybe, the agency has a secret policy to play safe with new guys like me to protect their girls, which I totally understand?

sorry for the long text. I was trying to give you guys a thorough background about my questions. Thank you very much.

 

[Fradi]

Yes, Yes, and Yes,

You could do better, first you should have told her what you like during the first 30 minutes, you definitely had the opportunity.
She must have figured on her own you are quite new and should have guided you to ask what you like that is definitely on her.

in the end sometimes it just doesn’t click and you need to do a bit more research, pick another that attracts you who has a longer history of good reviews with options that you want.
Don’t be afraid to ask politely for what you want , you are paying for it after all.
I don’t believe agencies have that kind of policy Indy’s definitely don’t, they all want repeat customers and newbies, tend to do just that, it is like falling for the first girl that you have sex with.

You seem like a nice guy who doesn’t hold grudges and will treat the ladies well, you should not have any problems finding exactly what you are looking for.

Better luck next time.

 

[dapiaoke]

Fradi

Thanks for your kind words, I'll definitely be more specific next time. I spent the first half hour to talk about all kind of stuff without even asking her to take off her cloth, lol. Cuz I really hesitated to put the sentence like "hey, you know what, let's take off your cloth." into a normal conversation. And she did ask for what I want, but I didn't mention anything about BJ. In my defense, it is all about feelings, it's kind of weird for me to name specific terms because first of all, I really don't know what I like so that it would kill my mood without it, and secondly, like the first one, I don't want to give the hint that, for instance, say I like DFK, so DFK the shit out of me. That's too much, hahaha.

Anyway, I get it, it's like ordering steaks. You have to give more specific instructions to better suits your taste. Lesson learned. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

 

[dapiaoke]

That One Guy

I don't know... My real first time was with an indy girl, she did BBBJ on me without even asking, that's why I sort of confirmed it is a given. And I could hardly say it is my problem. But I won't tangle on that, she must have her reasons, I'll never know.

 

[Fradi]

Anyway, I get it, it's like ordering steaks. You have to give more specific instructions to better suits your taste. Lesson learned. Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

Don’t feel bad it is perfectly normal what you did. I had trouble even asking my ATF for something that was just slightly different, She just smiled when I finally told her, she said that’s it , I would be happy to. These ladies have heard and seen it all, if you are respectful, what you want from them is usually a given , especially if somebody is kind with them.

We all go through this, we all learn and eventually find what we want, there are so many nice SP in Montreal we are totally spoiled here, it would be impossibly for someone like you not to find what you want.

btw you don’t need to ask her to take off her clothes, any SP that is going to have a good session with you, all you need to do is move a little closer to her, her instinct will automatically kick in and she will make sure you are at ease and comfortable, the really good ones don’t need to be asked to start the action, they will initiate it.

 

[Mistral]

FWIW, I met a few ladies in Montreal who only did LFK with me, despite having one or more past reviews mentioning DFK. YMMV or maybe she changed her style or maybe the guys exaggerated a little. Not sure what's up, but my reaction is......whatever.

 

[GaryH]

dapiaoke,

Yes you shouldn't feel bad about this. I had a similar experience and similar questions when I first started. With experience and comfort level it will get better. I do feel there are some girls who will do less because you are new at this and some girls who just can't tell what your comfort level is. Communication at the start will go a long way in giving you a better experience.

 

[dapiaoke]

FWIW, I met a few ladies in Montreal who only did LFK with me, despite having one or more past reviews mentioning DFK. YMMV or maybe she changed her style or maybe the guys exaggerated a little. Not sure what's up, but my reaction is......whatever.

haha, exactly, life is too short for that

 

[cloudsurf]

Unfortunately there are some girls who pride themselves on figuring guys out pretty quickly and then giving them the lowest quality of service that they can get away with.
Sounds like you were just in such a situation .
Your first mistake was the 30 minute talk before any action. You should have been in DFK mode within 5 minutes. Hesitate and show any sign of being timid and some girls will take advantage. Take heart in the fact that most girls are nicer.....with time you`ll learn to read them and act accordingly.
You should write a review.

 

[dapiaoke]

dapiaoke,

Yes you shouldn't feel bad about this. I had a similar experience and similar questions when I first started. With experience and comfort level it will get better. I do feel there are some girls who will do less because you are new at this and some girls who just can't tell what your comfort level is. Communication at the start will go a long way in giving you a better experience.

duly noted! thanks

 

[jalimon]

Haha I so much agree with cloudsurf

As Elvis said "A little less conversation, a little more action"

The best is when you are quickly able to convince the girl all you want is to have a good fuck. No one cares if you are actually good at it or not who fucking cares! Just enter the damn incall, put a rubber on and conquer

Cheers,

 

[dapiaoke]

haha, I'm a big time low warmer, maybe I would go for an all-pounding style in the future, just to get out of my comfort zone. But for now, I'll just do some more scouting before.

I would consider this a valuable lesson in my sex education, no big deal. But I will always remember "A little less conversation, a little more action", that's really dope!

 

[Halloween Mike]

Hi there,

Talking for long is not really a bad thing. For most of us 5/10 mins is enough but if you needed to "get to know her" a bit more, its fine. You said you took 1.5h anyway , so maybe that extra 30 min was for that? But yeah if you want to get things going faster, move closer, get intimate. Don't say "hey, what about we start sex?" , thats awkward lol. But you can definately "show" her.

The CBJ thing is odd, especially if she has a review thread and is known to provide BBBJ. I can understand your shyness there as a first timer and the fact that 30 mins had already passed meant it was way too late to cancel the whole thing, but normally yes BBBJ is standard GFE and should be provided in the good merb agencies. Maybe if you had said you prefer it, she would had been ok too, maybe she pulled a "fast one" on you due to your new client nature. I dunno. Again its hard to gauge without knowing the agency and girl in question.

The kissing part is the part i always had trouble figuring about this whole LFK/DFK thing. I mean, sure its nice if she shove her tongue deep but to my experience its VERY rare the girls will do it just like that. Sure if you ask them, then they may do it, but tell her thats what you want, you will have better luck.

 

[OnlyDoggy]

Dapiaoke

You got good teeth, bro? No black gum, obvious deformation, or wtv else? If no, You might want to fix that, if you can.

@cloudsurf is 100% correct. Not just if you're new, but also if you're too shy and you booked the wrong lady. Some do not like DFK.

 

[dapiaoke]

Hi there,

Talking for long is not really a bad thing. For most of us 5/10 mins is enough but if you needed to "get to know her" a bit more, its fine. You said you took 1.5h anyway , so maybe that extra 30 min was for that? But yeah if you want to get things going faster, move closer, get intimate. Don't say "hey, what about we start sex?" , thats awkward lol. But you can definately "show" her.

The CBJ thing is odd, especially if she has a review thread and is known to provide BBBJ. I can understand your shyness there as a first timer and the fact that 30 mins had already passed meant it was way too late to cancel the whole thing, but normally yes BBBJ is standard GFE and should be provided in the good merb agencies. Maybe if you had said you prefer it, she would had been ok too, maybe she pulled a "fast one" on you due to your new client nature. I dunno. Again its hard to gauge without knowing the agency and girl in question.

The kissing part is the part i always had trouble figuring about this whole LFK/DFK thing. I mean, sure its nice if she shove her tongue deep but to my experience its VERY rare the girls will do it just like that. Sure if you ask them, then they may do it, but tell her thats what you want, you will have better luck.

oh, that 30 mins were after the shower, on the bed, so the main event was about 1 hr, which was sort of in my plan anyway since I figured I may need an extra half hour to relax. I couldn't really give a specific reason for the talking, haha, because I really don't know what to expect, I just went along, which was fine by me. But maybe next time, I may not need that long to hold myself together. And yes! I was trying to avoid an awkward conversation like that, but I did miss the "showing" part completely. That would be my rookie mistake number one.

For the BJ part, kind of in her defense, she didn't insist on CBJ(but I don't really know), maybe I shouldn't use "offer" in my OP, it is more of a suggestion and I said OK. now I know I don't like it but I couldn't really pin it on her because I really didn't ask for it, which is why I didn't post an actual review. Had I asked the BBBJ and she refused, then it would be a bad review from me but it would also destroy my good mood. Kind of a dilemma. I thought BBBJ was by default unless specifically asking for a CBJ, the other way around confused me, which one could say it is on me too...

For the kissing part, in my imagination, it would be like LFK for a start and EASE into the DFK. Asking a DFK point blank in the middle seems weird to me... I know better now actually, and I would demand a DFK next time at first.

Now putting everything under scrutiny really sort of starts to embarrass me, so many rookie mistakes! But I'm glad that I started this thread and asked questions, I learned a lot, maybe in a hard way, but still...

 

[dapiaoke]

Dapiaoke

You got good teeth, bro? No black gum, obvious deformation, or wtv else? If no, You might want to fix that, if you can.

@cloudsurf is 100% correct. Not just if you're new, but also if you're too shy and you booked the wrong lady, since some do not like dfk. They cannot guess what you like either, bro. One should also keep in mind that one man's dfk might be another man's lfk. Likewise, it is possible that the lady between the review going up and your booking her has decided to not be as dfk friendly. This is why if you absolutely must have a certain acronym, it is advisable you see soneone who in review after review this is mentioned. OR just see an Indy with the same sort of review profile + ask her in your opening email/text. The latter is of course only helpful if she's genuinely honest about what particulars of xxx she likes.

Nowadays, if I go to an agency, the lady knows I like to kiss within the first minute before I go shower. If no dfk occurs after we've made out naturallly, I ask if her tongue is shy.keep in mind I don't always want dfk either. It doesnt make or break a meeting for me, but I always get it. Many ladies may also not do something unkess you do it first. I sucked someone tongue in the agency in the heat of the moment and thereafter she kept sucking my tongue again and again for example.

well, I don't have perfectly straight white teeth but I think they are OK and not gross? I used mouthwash right after the shower.
I wouldn't strangle on this DFK/LFK thing, it's a nice to have for me actually. I thought I could start LFK to get the feeling if the lady likes to go deeper. According to the feedback from your guys, that's not quite the case, next time I'll just ask.

 

[OnlyDoggy]

Ah, i guess i didn't edit my post fast enough. Oh well. To add to the above then, it should be mentioned that for anything that isn't 110% vanilla, you should always ask for consent first. That goes for anything involving cum, the fingers, roughness, and or less conventional foreplay. If you do not ask first, you're basically commiting sexual assault. Obviously comnon sense applies. You aint gotta ask to grab that fine ass while she's riding you and screaming like a banshee on saint patrick's day.

 

[cloudsurf]

Let`s see a review. Some of us may have seen the girl and thus can give better advice,

 

[heliragedeleted]

dapiaoke Clousurf hit the nail on the head. You, unfortunately, have to take control of the situation and if BBBJ and DFK are offered (assuming you are clean and obey normal hygiene rules and be a gentleman) you should insist on getting just that.
I understand the hesitation, the uncertainty, but do not worry the ladies will adapt.
If the SP does not... there are plenty of other fish in the sea,

 

[jalimon]

If the SP does not... there are plenty of other fish in the sea,

Haha and believe me that is what the girl thinks too

dapiaoke you are new here but you are wise as you came here first and you saw an agency girl. In my opinion the girl you saw fooled you a bit but that is the learning curve.

What taught me a lot (beside this site) is doing sessions with other dudes. Not sexually don't worry I am as lousy as I ever was on that side but the attitude the guys were having.

In the near future you will be the same I am sure. The day you will finish sog 1 and realize you still have your jeans on.... Think about me haha

Cheers,