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    Gfe - Ymmv?

    *** Some of those posts were split from another thread (Incall?) and moved here. M2 ***

    This thread is getting interesting.

    As you were her first client, I was her second on that Friday afternoon. So fatigue from her part is no matter.

    Lionheart, I do not think that GFE is a matter of ``atmosphere``, in my view it is a matter of level of service the SP is willing to give. I consider myself as providing BFE (as you mentionned) and I do not think this a central matter.

    On some points we are saying the same thing, in many cases what the agencies call GFE experience is a YMMV. This is my point, it is not because GFE is mentionned in a girl description that you will have this GFE experience.

    I may be a very materialistic consumer in this field, but I expect that the providers deliver what they advertise.

    A cat is a cat, and a so called GFE must be a GFE.

    Maybe the definition of GFE it at stake. In my view a GFE SP should be friendly and opened (some restrictions may apply as in the real world od girl friends). In my view, friendship is a global attitude, ans Allyson showed this. But openess usually leads to (sometimes TC) and surely some forms of kissing. In my view lack of openess is a lack of GFE.

    If GFE is a matter of YMMV, than it is not GFE, because you never know as a client whe it will be the case.

    Still as a cat is always a cat, a so called GFE must be GFE in all situations where the client is a decent guy (in terms of look and attitude).
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    Ymmv

    While we are on the subjet of GFE service and attitude, what is the deal with YMMV. If a client wanted YMMV, he could get a girlfriend and never know what to expect from one night to the next. What I am looking for is a Service Provider, and I am willing to pay for her service. She as a SP charges me for that service (in advance) and then I spend an hour wondering which services will be offered or excluded. If GFE is advertised, and paid for it should be delivered.....or the exclusions should be listed on the web site in advance.

    I am looking forward to doing incall with Celine's agency so at least I don't have the price of a room at risk.

    The Beach Guy

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    Please allow me to disagree and give my 2 cents even if this GFE subject has be revisited many many many times on Merb in the past already.

    We are not talking about cars, sound systems, or other electric appliances here. If we were, Yes, an advertised "feature" should be delivered as promised. We are talking about human beings here, and when a girl is advertised as GFE, to me it simply means that she has a GFE attitude most of the times if, and only if, she gets a BFE attitude from her partner. The time she spends with a BFE type client will be highly enjoyable for both.

    Like many other guys I am sure, I had the opportunity to speak about this matter with many SPs, and what they told me is very discouraging: Many clients are just not considering the ladies with the respect the deserve, sometime having hygiene problems (and a bad breath IS an hygiene problem by the way), others have attitude problems (like "your just a wh**e"), and the nice guys unfortunately are not being the majority (although that seems to depend on different factors like the agency, whether it's mainly email or last minute phone calls, day or night, LDL vs HDH, locals vs visitors, etc).

    Bottom line, please don't expect a GFE just because a lady is advertised as such. DO YOUR PART!

    CA

    PS: This is not addressed to anyone in particular but to all of us, clients, in general.
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    To GFE or not...

    I totally agree with CoolAmadeus. As he mentioned, the GFE issue was debated several times in other threads before but it seems we always have to redefine this. I don't think this is something we'll reach a consensus on very soon.

    As EagerBeaver said it, it also takes time to get close to someone and I don't think also you can reach this during a 1-hr incall. I never go under 2 hrs, even on a first encounter. And contrary to what Zap said, you do have to set the right atmosphere, don't rush things... and brush your teeth . Or it won't work for a reason or another.

    Call it what you want and let others call it what they want, including the agency owners who put the GFE label on their SPs, but when dealing with human relationships, it will always be YMMV. It may not be you, it may not be her, it may just be the both of you together (or on a particular occasion). That's what I've learned during my past 20 years of hobbying.

    If you find a SP who's a good match and meets or exceeds your expectations, call it a great experience and repeat . Or keep trying to find a better match.

    Lion Heart

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    GFE understood ?

    Well that`s what is great about MERB and its members, the free exchange of information.

    My wife and I have only been in the ``hobby`` for a few years and have only had about 15 visits from SP`s, most if not all of them good. My misunderstanding had more to do, I think, with what GFE stood for. I felt it was an all inclusive term for LFK, DFK, DATY, , TC, CIM, etc. By reading the above responses, it seems that GFE is more of an attitude, a willingness to please rather than an agreement to provide the afore mentioned services.

    We hope to ``get together`` with Bianka and take advantage of Celine`s incall service and will post GFE, as well as all the other approrpriate letters.

    Thanks,
    TheBeachGuy

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    I totally agree but only in part with Bryson.

    Call it what you want, no one can guarantee a totally satisfying experience or whatever you would call it. When all your expectations are not met, who`s fault is it then : you, her, the agency ? I`ve seen SPs providing CBJ and no DATY - I could still call that a great experience and a repeat case, but that`s personal. For others, it may not work if they require or even TC.

    Past any label, I prefer making my opinion based on reviews, not really focusing on the numbers which are subjective but look for the narrative of the experience and overall appreciation. I`m look particularly at those from hobbysts who seem to share the same values and the same anticipations as me. You develop a sense for that by seeing the same SPs and discovering you totally agree with them.

    Lion Heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson
    You say that there is no way an agency, or indy, can GUARANTEE a GFE experience but I do not agree with that. If the agreement is GFE and when the time comes it is not offered then I think the client is entitled to a discount for breach of verbal contract. If you do not want to provide GFE than that is fine but then don't advertise as offering it.

    My proposed challenge to the industry and merbites is to perhaps come up with a new term to replace GFE like TPKG(Total Package) or TSE(Totally Satisfying Experience) to denounce the included level of sexual service the SP provides. GFE is a good way of letting the clients know what to expect without even reading a review which is also another reason why the term is becoming so popular. The problem with GFE is that it implies the emotiional aspect of the date and people get that confused.
    Hi Brison,

    you say that being clean, polite and respectful is a given. Maybe to you it is, but not everyone satisfy these conditions. Some clients, as we witnessed from what Eric-from-Freedom reported this week, can be gigantic A-holes, not to mention borderline violent. So IMHO it's too much to ask an sp to provide GFE regardless of the circumstances. You must read between the lines , that is when i see an agency advertising a girl as a GFE provider, i assume that it is on condition that the client isn't worse than "acceptably" unattractive, unclean , impolite, etc... Understandably, anything worst would make it nearly impossible for an sp to provide a GFE.

    However i do agree with your notion than GFE implies an element of emotional satisfaction regardless of the acronyms. Which is why i still support the 10-point scale because i find that it's a better way than acronyms to measure the more sutble and hard to quantify emotional aspects of the date.

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    The emotional aspect is connected to the services provided. To make things clear, I'm always friendly and respectfull with the girls. I'm also shy, so a girl is always in FULL control of her limits with me. I won't push for extra mileage and woudn't not even ask about extras available... Personally for me, kissing is the single most important part of GFE as it makes the mood much more intimate (even if these are just pecks on the lips). I really dislike when the girl is looking away in the heat of the moment to make sure you won't try to kiss her. Sure, we don't need to go through a full set of motions to define GFE. I had some sessions, where some abbreviations were completely skipped and I would certify it was GFE. Having said that, I disagree with a you-should-ask-the-girl-for-GFE-then-she-would-give-you-GFE thing for the girls who're advertised as GFE (it wouldn't work in my case, anyways).
    Just my opinion.

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    Exclamation Going with the flow !

    Cloée

    I really like this expression & i will start using it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by juzt_a_girl
    Robert Gilette: You can use it all you want ;-) Too bad there's no french equivalent. Je vais avec le flux?

    Bisou,
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    Hey Chloé, on pourrait peut-être dire plutôt: " je vais avec le flot", car le flux fait penser à la gastro .
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    Quote Originally Posted by juzt_a_girl
    Robert Gilette: You can use it all you want ;-) Too bad there's no french equivalent. Je vais avec le flux?
    Follow the flow = Suivre le courant

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    Although Balzac or Hugo would probably come up with something romantic yet totally meaningless like: " se laisser aller au gré du vent"

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    ps. ok people, that was my last one
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    Although translated back to English, " se laisser aller au gré du vent" could result in something like "Gone with the wind..."

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    Lightbulb Executive Director For Greater Montreal Hobbyists And SP Association?

    Hello Mr. CoolAmadeus:

    Upon reading your posts and this thread, I recommend the hobbyist and escort communities to create a position of ‘Executive Director’ for a new organization, namely ‘Greater Montreal Hobbyists And SP Association’, to promote and ensure the welfare and well being of both hobbyists (local and visitors) and SPs. Would you like to take this job? There is no one I can think of who is better qualified than the ‘Passionate Sweetheart’, don’t you think? Seriously, if work out successfully, Montreal will be a model city for the rest of the world in hobbying and escorting. While we contemplate the form and content of this organization, would you be kind enough to be the guardian angel of those lost hobbyist and SP souls? This professor will vote for you from 10,000 miles away.

    When I have the chance to exile to Montreal, I would love to philosophize with you on the theory and practice of incalls and outcalls, if and only if you keep the theory and I do all the practice. In the mean time, by all means keep both theory and practice. For who can make better music than Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, especially the ‘Cool’ one??? Unless making love is a more difficult and sophisticated art than making music??? LORL (Laughing Out Really Loud)!!!

    To all Merbites, please join CoolAmadeus to rejoice in laughters. It is good for your health and it is free!!!

    Your friend,

    Louis
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    Hey Louis,

    Let me know if you want to be part of the board of directors! I wouldn't want you to feel left appart.

    CA

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