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    Landry resigns

    The shock of the year! Didn't see this coming. Will this bring Louise Beaudoin out of retirement to run for the leadership?

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    What about Gilles Duceppe?
    I think he is the one that has been talked about the most.
    And seeing as the PQ usually "anoint" their leaders without any real leadership convention it would be pretty easy for him.

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    I personally hope the PQ is bright enough to elect someone who is agressively in support of seperation, who clearly states that right after the next PQ win a referendum would come within 90 days of election, and so on.

    That would solve many problems in Quebec.

    MATt
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    Just fascinating that it took him so long to do so. The man lost touch with Quebec's political reality some time ago. IMHO not a big loss, this might help Quebec in many ways.

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    The main reason I am surprised is that I always figured he wanted to be the first king or president or whatever of the new country of Quebec. I can't see him leaving if he thought separation would happen in the near future. Maybe some of the recent proposals such as limiting funding and admission to english universities that were voted down led him to realize that his dream of a pure French country wouldn't be happening in the near future.

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    Techman,
    College, not university!

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    Dee, Mr Landry loves Quebec and dreams (night and day, I am sure) of the day Quebec will be it's own country.

    At 75% support in his own party, and with opinion polls showing that he isn't exactly top of the heap, I think he had no choice but to leave. To stay on as the head of a divided party, with 2 or 3 pretenders to the throne always in the background isn't the best situations.

    Most importantly, it isn't clear that the PQ would win the next election. Jena Charest still have a couple more years to get things sorted out, and the ADQ is eating up much of the soft "not really wanting to seperate" voters. The ADQ is also quite popular with the important 25-35 crowd, the ones who have been out of university long enough to know that it isn't a perfect world.

    Now is a good time for change. The liberals have no intention of calling an election, the ADQ isn't going anywhere, and it is unlikely that Landry could have survived two more years with these people biting at his heels.

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    Train: 75% is good in an election, but it is bad when you are asking what the support is of your own troops. Picture a war where 25% of the soliders are fighting on their own, not for your war. Well, that is what it looks like.

    You need a number closer to 90% to truly be in charge. 25% is more than enough to start a revoltution, and with various people quietly trying to toss him out, that number was only going to get worse.

    It is a smart politician that knows when it is time to quit. Imagine Landry with 50% support of his own party on the day the liberal party calls the next election. Do you think that would do anything to get the PQ elected?

    My personal opinion of Landry is somewhere between caretaker and impotant old man, not elected but appointed. His departure is a good thing for everyone involved.

    MATt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Train
    C'mon . The truth is he was an unelectable sniviling little whiner without the balls of many of the women in his party .75% is an overwhelming majority in politics by anyones' definition. To take your ball and go home is typical of the over emotional response of many of his ilk. ....
    I am sorry Train but you are talking through your hat there.

    Since Joe Clark resignation in 1983, it is now generallly considered that endorsement by less than 66 per cent of the delegates of a party is not enough to lead a political party. As pointed out by MaTt, you clearly need more like 90% of your troops support to be efficient as a leader.

    The comment "little whiner without the balls of many of the women in his party" is completely misplaced. I never vote for Landry, as he was too much to the left for me, but, from my point of view, I can tell you that he was a good economist and a brilliant man, of high intellectual stature actually.

    Good day all!


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    Last edited by Elvis; 06-06-2005 at 11:36 AM. Reason: typos+quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    The main reason I am surprised is that I always figured he wanted to be the first king or president or whatever of the new country of Quebec. I can't see him leaving if he thought separation would happen in the near future. Maybe some of the recent proposals such as limiting funding and admission to english universities that were voted down led him to realize that his dream of a pure French country wouldn't be happening in the near future.
    Salut Techman,

    Je ne sais pas où tu es allé pêcher ces informations mais Landry n'a JAMAIS proposé de limiter les admissions aux universités anglophones. Il y a bien eu une proposition d'Yves Michaud visant à limiter l'accès aux cégeps anglophones pour les allophones mais elle a été battue à plate couture lors du congrès.

    Quant au financement des universités, il faut savoir que toutes les universités québécoises ont des difficultées de financement, pas seulement McGill et Concordia et Bishop.

    Bonne journée!

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    Techman: a big reader

    I can see that many people like to be informed with a 3 minutes videoclip from Radio-Canada to make any kind of comments to attack the legitimate process of other quebecer to have a country.

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    Has anyone ever noticed that the older leaders of the PQ all speak EXCELLENT english, because they were educated outside of Canada? Parizeau has a very nice cultured british accent, and Yves Michaud has a great english speaking voice...

    1959: Michaud received a Canada Council bursary to study journalism at the Université de Strasbourg.
    Landry:

    Studies, Académie Saint-Louis, Saint-Jacques
    Classical studies, Séminaire de Joliette
    Law degree, Université de Montréal
    Barreau du Québec (1965)
    Diploma in economics and finance, Université de Montréal
    Diploma in economics and finance, Institut d'études politiques, Paris, France
    Only Rene Levesque has all his education in Quebec.

    You would think men with such worldly exposure would have a move open minded view of the world.

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    ManAboutTown>> Yes it is strange. ...and Levesque had great respect for the democratic process. He let it go after he lost his referendum, saying something to the effect that the people of Quebec have spoken...

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    A couple of things to get out of the way first: Yes it was english cegeps and not universities concerned by the proposals, second thing, I never said these proposals were made or supported by Landry.
    BackdoorMan: Quebecers already have a country, it's called Canada. If they want a new one go for it. In fact I here that Corsica has a pretty good separatist movement going, maybe they need help! Just don't f up my country in the process.
    Elvis: I find it interesting that it would take 66% or even 90% support to be considered a valid leader but only 50% +1 to destroy a country.
    Last edited by Techman; 06-06-2005 at 03:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    I find it interesting that it would take 66% or even 90% support to be considered a valid leader but only 50% +1 to destroy a country.
    Salut Techman,

    Je trouve cela curieux aussi mais c'est Joe Clark qui a changé la "jurisprudence" dans le domaine en démissionnant même après avoir reçu un vote de confiance de 67% des votes des délégués conservateurs en 1983. Il y a eu inflation avec les années et c'est maintenant passé à 75%-80%. C'est tout. Théoriquement, un leader peut demeurer en poste avec 50% +1, mais c'est difficilement justifiable en pratique.

    T'es trop émotif Techman T'en fais pas, de toutes façons le Québec ne se "séparera" jamais.

    Elvis

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