Long term arrangements

[EagerBeaver]

A lot of girls will say no sex on first date, because they want to see if you are creepy or make them uncomfortable. Usually you can pay $100 for the so called screening dates and $300-$400 for sexual dates (the code is "intimate" dates, never use the word sex or sexual on there) also including dinner.

In my experience it's less than 5% of the women on there that are pros, and the ones who are give themselves away with escort like photography and, as JackFranz astutely mentioned, the "honey" or 'babe" greetings on initial messaging.

Don't you guys do targeted searches?????????? My basic saved search is 18-25, all races, slim and athletic, and newer registrations listed first because the newest are usually the easiest to get dates with. If you are not narrowing your searches properly you may end up seeing more pros. In my searches I see almost none and the ones I do see it's pretty clearcut because they are marketing themselves as a PPM experience, whereas most of the other ladies on SA don't know what kind of arrangements they want or are open to and need to be schmoozed into choosing one.

 

[chowzilla]

yup i've been scammed before like that..

At first I would say to stay away from girls who ask for $ for first meets, as very often its either a scam or a very superficial relationship. However what I've been doing is offering them a nice dinner instead, so at least we both can indulge lol. Doesn't always work but when it does, you're closer to finding something

 

[EagerBeaver]

EB, I guess 300-400 is the usual amount in the US? When I was in Toronto most girls I talk to (18-29, slim, above GND looking) would at least ask 400 cad, a few stopped talking to me when I offered 450.

$400 is the more common price point, but as I have said countless times, when you search on newer and younger who have no experience, you get girls who do not really fully know what their value is. If you don't do targeted searches and end up messaging with savvy and more experienced SBs, they will seek more. If you want to get the most out of SA, look at it as a game and play the game correctly. That starts with doing targeted searches. After the initial messaging make an offer you are comfortable with and if it is not accepted move on. I target hotter women and the hotter ones are more likely to bite if you offer something for an initial meetup besides dinner. And if you hit it off and she is comfortable with you then you can propose an intimate date. The Chowzilla method of just offering dinner can work, but only with the newer and younger of the hot ones, or the not so hot and older ones who are not seeing much action. I am only messaging girls I consider extremely hot and not ones who I think will easily spread their legs.

 

[ShyMan]

Best scenario for me would be to meet someone and have dinner with them ( only for the cost of a dinner ) then call an agency for sex after. ( myself I prefer sex first and dinner after because who likes to fuck on a full stomach ).

That's a win-win scenario :clap2:

Hehe. Same here. I usually get sleepy after a meal. I rather take a nap.

I'm on "free" membership status on SA. I deleted my profile except a photo. And I get "favorite" especially from supposed chicks from Venezuela. :noidea:

Ah, as EB said it's a game. I prefer the Montreal agency model.

I imagine there will be more wannabe SB's during the COVID-19 crisis.

 

[R the Man]

$400 is the more common price point, but as I have said countless times, when you search on newer and younger who have no experience, you get girls who do not really fully know what their value is. If you don't do targeted searches and end up messaging with savvy and more experienced SBs, they will seek more. If you want to get the most out of SA, look at it as a game and play the game correctly. That starts with doing targeted searches. After the initial messaging make an offer you are comfortable with and if it is not accepted move on. I target hotter women and the hotter ones are more likely to bite if you offer something for an initial meetup besides dinner. And if you hit it off and she is comfortable with you then you can propose an intimate date. The Chowzilla method of just offering dinner can work, but only with the newer and younger of the hot ones, or the not so hot and older ones who are not seeing much action. I am only messaging girls I consider extremely hot and not ones who I think will easily spread their legs.

I agree with EagerBeaver and essentially use his method except that because I am only here briefly (and I tell them that), I always make sure that the meet and greet (with a smaller $ amount) is followed by an intimate session (with a larger $ amount). No way would I do dinner only - I don't want to waste that time with someone I want to fuck.

 

[R the Man]

As promised, I wanted to let you guys know about my first experience with Sugar Babies via Seeking Arrangements at seeking.com

This will be in several posts instead of one long one.

First, about me. I am a regular visitor to Montreal from the wet coast. I’m an older and experienced worldwide pooner but new to the SD/SB world. I crave variety, in the hobby for sex and not emotional attachment (I get plenty of that in my real life), and I am mostly interested in young (18-25) petite GFE spinners with natural tits, at least B sized. I like girls with a natural look instead of a porn star look. A pretty face is also important, although pretty GND is perfectly adequate for me. I always said that Montreal was paradise for my type – the agencies are terrific and I’ve had very good experiences with the girls recommended. I rarely book Indys. I have discretionary income so lowest pricing is not a concern for me. I’m also pretty comfortable talking to girls, keeping them interested, and being respectful while flirting.

I began to be interested in SB when I started using similar dating type apps (Badoo, ThaiFriendly) when I was visiting Jakarta, Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur on business trips in recent months. I had a great experience – the girls I met up with were all semi-pros, and were at least as attractive and with as good sex service as the escorts and bar girls that I saw. It was fun chatting and flirting before the meet, and the sex was much more like being with a girlfriend than a pro.
Based on those good experiences, I first tried Secret Benefits but wasn’t impressed. Then I switched to Seeking Arrangements…

/cont’d 2

 

[R the Man]

My experience with sugar babies at seeking.com /2

I was on paid SA for about 3 weeks before my Montreal trip. It was great! I connected/messaged with at least 20 girls and seriously considered at least a dozen of them who agreed to meet with me.

Here are some lessons I can pass on:

1. Set up a filter for searches. Mine included Age (18-30), Body type (Slim/Athletic/Average), Don’t Show Members Seeking (Platonic, Marriage-Minded, etc), etc. Saves you from looking at profiles that aren’t your type.

2. It’s pretty easy to tell who are escorts, pros and scammers, generally. Their profiles are short, they are usually a bit direct and crass (e.g., Don’t message me if you ain’t got money to spend on me), and their photos are TGTBT.

3. You are notified when girls view your profile or “Favourite” you. Many girls “Favourite” you, often without even viewing your profile. I did not find ANY of my shortlisted girls from these girls who Favourited me, or even messaged any of them. Often they are from places like Venezuela or Manila, but even the girls from Montreal were usually not my type, or were pros, or scammers.

4. SA doesn’t allow direct talk about ppm, money for sex, or anything like that. As soon as a girl seemed interested or made a connection via messaging, I suggested moving the conversation over to WhatsApp to talk about expectations and details for a meeting.

5. I don’t have time or interest in having a platonic first “meet and greet” date. Having dinner with a girl that I want to fuck is a no go for me. I make it clear that I want an “intimate” first date (that’s SA code for sex, you aren’t supposed to be mentioning sex in messages). But, I offer a cash gift for a glass of wine meet at my hotel bar, followed by larger gift if we decide to go up to my room. That way, the financial arrangements are clear and she knows I’m serious.

6. I had them all send me selfies (not sexy ones, most wouldn’t do that before meeting, understandable) so I could see “natural” photos and not the glam shots they had on their profiles. I ruled out a couple of girls because their selfies were way less attractive than their profile photos.

/cont’d 3

 

[R the Man]

My experience with sugar babies at seeking.com /3

So, how did I do? During my 4 day trip I booked 8 meetings. Yes, I went a bit overboard, but I really was testing out girls to see if I wanted to see them regularly. All the girls were engaging and interesting in looks and conversations. But, a complicating factor was that I flew to Montreal on the first day that the Covid shit hit the fan. Luckily I finished the trip before the recommendation for social distancing.

I had 2 cancel on me that morning, a couple of days before our scheduled meetings. One cancelled because she said she went out of town because of the falling stock market, a really lame excuse. She was the hottest one and had photos that were TGTBT, so I actually wasn’t surprised. The other said she had start of a cold and begged off. While that seemed reasonable, she was one that I suspected might have been an SP.

Two cancelled just before the meeting time. One texted a hour before to say that she was kept at work and couldn’t make it. She was a junior professional, so maybe that was true. The other only replied to my “let me know when you are on the way” text 15 minutes prior, to say that she was called in to work – on a weekend, so highly unlikely. She was the only one who irritated me. Because we were meeting at my hotel bar, at least I didn’t have to venture out or sit around waiting for a no-show.

So, that left 4 girls that I actually saw. Just as well, maybe, because they were so good that 8 meetings like those would have killed me! They all were happy to have sex with me after briefly chatting over wine on that first date.

/cont’d 4

 

[R the Man]

My experience with sugar babies at seeking.com /4

I'm not going to give out SA profile names for the girls out of respect for them.

All four girls were definitely not SPs or pros. They were 21-24 years old, and all looked like their photos. Three were clearly students, the fourth worked in an interesting job. Three had pretty GND looks (7.5), and one was clearly above average (8.0), all had very good petite bodies and curves in the right places. The service level for all was excellent, on par with most well-reviewed agency girls - DFK, BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions, everything GFE. I am amazed at how good sex skills that these “amateur” young girls had. They all stayed for 2-3 hours, were definitely not clock watchers, and a great time was had by all.

So, just to summarize, even though 4 of the 8 ended up bailing at different times, I had 4 excellent SB experiences with multi-hour visits for the price of an hour or so of an Indy’s time. They were young and fun students, and I enjoyed them all. Two of them I will definitely try and see again. The flirty messaging prior was fun and really added to the spice of the intimate meeting. Although I will continue to book agency girls (and in fact I did book my fave, Sweet Kylie from Velvet, to fill up one of the cancelled time slots) I would definitely also use SA and sugar babies as an alternative and different kind of fun.

Enjoy, boys!

 

[Mistral]

Nice, but did any of them take you balls deep like Kylie ?

Just kidding... well done and great information, thanks for sharing.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Covid-19 has put a major damper on SA activities as many/most girls, especially new and inexperienced, want to meet in a public place, but all the usual public places are shut down. At a minimum it will make things very difficult. I have noticed with schools shut down and many in server jobs laid off because the bars and restaurants are closed, there has been a surge in new enrollments on SA in the 18-22 college age grouping. So it's a Buyer's market right now, but the other side of it is that there is no place to meet them, so it is a bit of a dilemma.

 

[hungry101]

R The Man - Your success rate with Sugar Babies is about the same as mine with Indies. For every two I book one actually shows. This is encouraging. Great post.

 

[R the Man]

R The Man - Your success rate with Sugar Babies is about the same as mine with Indies. For every two I book one actually shows. This is encouraging. Great post.

Thanks, h101. I thought Indies were reliable?

 

[jalimon]

Thanks, h101. I thought Indies were reliable?

Pouah!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You made me laugh

Thanks for your post you made me think I might give SA another try once we get back to regular life..

 

[hungry101]

Thanks, h101. I thought Indies were reliable?

I paint with a broad brush. Many are very reliable. All of the indies I've actually met with performed incredibly well upon arrival. Arrival is the challenge. Not everyone can be their own boss and make a schedule and keep it. I was just amazed that you were able to get 50% of the girls to show up. Honestly, that's about my batting average with indies.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I just got an email from Seeking Arrangement CEO Brandon Wade stating as follows:

“In the past week, many new users have flocked to the site to meet other like-minded individuals around the world.

While the government and media are promoting the need for social distancing, we feel the need to correct them. It should be physical distancing, not social distancing that is the focus. While we need to keep ourselves at least 6 feet away from others, there has never been a time when we need to be more social and connected to other human beings, and we are here to help.
Stay healthy and safe!“

 

[EagerBeaver]

They usually do ask to chat on Kik or Whats App and, in most cases, it's because they want to see if you are totally perverted or a weirdo or a regular guy, and not to scam you. It's also against SA rules to discuss certain things (like money for sexy pics, or money for sex, which can be freely discussed in text software). Although you do need to be aware of scammers who are mostly trying to get you to advance money and they will reveal themselves quickly with promises of sexy or nude pics, and if they you do, you simply block them. There is no reason to be afraid to use Kik or Whats App.

You guys have to understand that the single primary guiding rule most SBs observe is to look out for their own personal safety with strangers, and they want to have SOME comfort knowing that the dude they are texting and communicating with is not the next Jack the Ripper. Most of these SBs have seen Criminal Minds, and know there are bad people in the world, and operate with simple survival instincts. This should all be common sense if you look at it from the other side as you must in order to play the game effectively.

Some SBs like Kik because they legitimately want to sell their nude pics, and the software on Kik is very user friendly for transmitting sexy pics and videos.

 

[Dasein]

I actually started corresponding with a 25 year old grad student on Secret Benefits before the social distancing thing and she asked that we do so by Kik. I had never heard of it! But it’s super user friendly and easier to send send videos than other methods. We’ve never met (who knows when we will) and no money ha been exchanged yet, but she’s sent me several sexy selfies, nude pics and a video of herself straddling a dildo until she came that was super hot. She’s also a triathlete... what a bod! Anyways, I agree. Conversations and messages beforehand allow both people to build trust, an essential element in great sex

 

[CoolAmadeus]

I have been with quite a number of women on SA so far, as it's a totally different beast than escorts or massage therapists. These women are there for the money, still (most of them), but for the most part they are also there to meet interresting human beings who they will be more than just fuck bodies to them.

That being said, once the conversation is fluid on the SA board, it's often much easier to use another medium. My personal preference is WhatsApp (I use a different phone number than my cell phone on WhatsApp), but there are also text messages (also using the same different phone number - using Fongi for me, but a lot of TextMe style apps exists too), or Kik (I personally don't like), or Viber and Signal. All there alternatives are good, and each has its own advantages and inconvenients.

If a girl is trying to scam you, using Kik or any other app is not an indication. You will get hints that something is wrong way before that!

Stay safe!

CA

 

[ShyMan]

I've been killing time partly by reading SB's bios ("About Me") on SA. Recently, I've been noticing more and more SB's saying they are broke because of the pandemic lockdown and "I've also been trying really hard to get this Louis Vuitton bag." Different designer bags are also mentioned.

I'm thinking those SB's who say they want a Louis Vuitton bag expect more $$$ than those SB's who say they want a Coach bag. Those who want a Chanel bag likely want a huge amount of $$$$$.