Bloc Quebecois leader Blanchet calls Canada an artificial country with very little meaning!

[CLOUD 500]

Is Belgium a real country? Or Spain, or UK, the list is very long. Strictly mono ethnic countries are rather exception than the rule. Fragmentation based on ethnicity and language is not good for business. This is why the European Union was formed. Quebec, if independent, and in bad terms with the rest of Canada will be forced into custom union with the US as maintaining new independent currency next to colossus will be out of question. Eventually, it will end up inside huge US belly and will be slowly digested. US will have few sentiments toward French culture; you can just look at Louisiana. So, you should be very careful about your wishes. Notwithstanding frictions and grievances Quebec has the best chances to maintain its French heritage inside Canada.

One thing to consider is Bill 96 which will present some trading challenges. For example appliances, they want all markings to be in French. But Quebec is one province of 8.5 million people surrounded by the rest of Canada with a population of 32.5 million and the USA with 340 million people for a total of 372.5 million, Quebec represents about 2% of the total population combined with Canada and the USA. Custom tailoring appliances for a small portion of the market will make prices go way up and the selection will be greatly reduced. Other products might disappear all together. Already many items cannot be delivered to Quebec.

You are right about fragmentation and Blanchet is not wrong, one of Trudeau's first pledges was to make Canada a post-national state and he succeeded. Does Canada even have an identity anymore especially in the big cities? I see a lot of balkanization. But right now is not the right time for this, the media effectively brainwashed people into thinking that the biggest threat is Trump (the housing crisis and cost of living crisis is out the door) and everyone is turning to the Liberals, even separatists are who seemed to have abandoned the Bloc.

 

[Assisto]

Is Belgium a real country? Or Spain, or UK, the list is very long. Strictly mono ethnic countries are rather exception than the rule. Fragmentation based on ethnicity and language is not good for business. This is why the European Union was formed. Quebec, if independent, and in bad terms with the rest of Canada will be forced into custom union with the US as maintaining new independent currency next to colossus will be out of question. Eventually, it will end up inside huge US belly and will be slowly digested. US will have few sentiments toward French culture; you can just look at Louisiana. So, you should be very careful about your wishes. Notwithstanding frictions and grievances Quebec has the best chances to maintain its French heritage inside Canada.

Nous conviendront que laisser sa culture à une autre est sans issue...le français n'est pas présent à l'extérieur du Québec ( ou très peu et de façon folklorique). Montréal n'est plus beaucoup français. Je suis bien conscient que nous sommes une goûte d'eau en Amérique d'où la difficulté de la cause. Qu'on se prive de certaines importations ? Pourquoi pas n'est-ce pas ce que les canadiens veulent faire avec certains produits us par souveraineté ? Je note au passage que la souveraineté canadienne est très bien mais que la québécoise elle est très vilaine ( j'y vois une certaine contradiction pas toi?).

L'argument de la peur si souvent utilisé par le Canada avec les québécois et qui a bien fonctionné admettons le...n'est pas efficace avec moi faudra trouver autre chose.

Concernant la complexité de l'utilisation de la devise, si nous devons en traiter et parmi ses paramètres, un huard serait plus faible par exemple si l'Alberta utiliserait le $ us c'est une évidence population et matière première en moins affecterait notre dollar à la baisse...avec des avantages et des inconvénients importations etc...je tire une conclusion semblable pour les autres provinces à différents niveaux bien entendu.

 

[Fradi]

Finalement si des canadiens désirent majoritairement 50% + 1 dans certaines provinces devenir le 51 États ce sera leurs choix...n'est-ce pas là la véritable démocratie ?

Au plaisir d'argumenter !

Yes, here we finally agree it is up to the people to vote and choose.
Quebecers have done this twice already and are still French speaking Canadians. Will there be a 3 rd time ? quite possibly yes and it is their right to do so.
I would wager if Canada was asked to vote on staying as Canada or the 51st state they would vote with an overwhelming majority to stay Canadian.

 

[Flabert]

Yes, here we finally agree it is up to the people to vote and choose.
Quebecers have done this twice already and are still French speaking Canadians. Will there be a 3 rd time ? quite possibly yes and it is their right to do so.
I would wager if Canada was asked to vote on staying as Canada or the 51st state they would vote with an overwhelming majority to stay Canadian.

Nationalism is a funny thing. It is bad when you don’t agree with it or its borders but good if you do. Trudeau despised Quebec nationalists but was a Canadian nationalist.

There are very few non-nationalists. Funny enough Carney might be one. He left Canada for a bigger central bank gig (England) and has 3 citizenships.

I don’t agree with the liberals on most things but Carney will likely rationally weigh the US threats and sacrifice some of our sacred cows (supply management, cultural exceptions) to protect more lucrative industries (autos).

 

[Fradi]

Nationalism is a funny thing. It is bad when you don’t agree with it or its borders but good if you do. Trudeau despised Quebec nationalists but was a Canadian nationalist.

There are very few non-nationalists. Funny enough Carney might be one. He left Canada for a bigger central bank gig (England) and has 3 citizenships.

I don’t agree with the liberals on most things but Carney will likely rationally weigh the US threats and sacrifice some of our sacred cows (supply management, cultural exceptions) to protect more lucrative industries (autos).

You are assuming he will win. Perhaps, we will find out today.
Either way I doubt we or even my grandchildren will ever be the 51st state.
Yes there are things that could be done, like adopting a single currency for North America being the US dollar, having open borders and being able to live and work in either country, a universal health care for all without having to have private insurance eveytime you travel.
This can all be negotiated without Canada being annexed.
I doubt anybody would want to be under the thumb of a President like Trump or Biden, Trudeau was bad enough glad he is finally gone.

 

[Assisto]

Yes, here we finally agree it is up to the people to vote and choose.
Quebecers have done this twice already and are still French speaking Canadians. Will there be a 3 rd time ? quite possibly yes and it is their right to do so.
I would wager if Canada was asked to vote on staying as Canada or the 51st state they would vote with an overwhelming majority to stay Canadian.

Même si je ne le souhaite pas, je serais curieux de savoir le % de canadiens en faveur du 51...probablement plus nombreux chez les mieux nantis pouvant se payer des assurances médicales et sauver une fortune en impôts...

 

[Assisto]

You are assuming he will win. Perhaps, we will find out today.
Either way I doubt we or even my grandchildren will ever be the 51st state.
Yes there are things that could be done, like adopting a single currency for North America being the US dollar, having open borders and being able to live and work in either country, a universal health care for all without having to have private insurance eveytime you travel.
This can all be negotiated without Canada being annexed.
I doubt anybody would want to be under the thumb of a President like Trump or Biden, Trudeau was bad enough glad he is finally gone.

Avec le 500 milliards de dette supplémentaire qu'il nous a laissé je crains fort que nous puissions nous en sortir à court terme en tout cas...

 

[Fradi]

Avec le 500 milliards de dette supplémentaire qu'il nous a laissé je crains fort que nous puissions nous en sortir à court terme en tout cas...

We agree again lol.