Long time gain for who ? Ordinary Americans or Israël ?
Many think that It's Israël that brought Trump in this war.
U.S. and Israel Launch Major Attack on Iran
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Long time gain for who ? Ordinary Americans or Israël ?
Many think that It's Israël that brought Trump in this war.
This is an asinine comment.
Suppose they were the evil force CNN and Fox News told you they were, shouldn't you study your enemy and evaluate them objectively ? shouldnt you understand their history as they see it so you can guage their mindset?
Most of you regurgitate things anyone can find by looking up State Department information within 5 minutes.
I pointed out how the war is going.
I pointed out that the US killed 180 schoolgirls and Israel bombed an oil depot, causing acid rain and a massive health crisis in Tehran.
I pointed out that there are large, pro goverbment demonstrations with people uniting against American bombing.
I pointed out that the Iranian foreign minister speaks a 2nd language more intelligently than Trump, Hegseth or Rubio.
Those are all facts except the last point.
Dont get emotional and ask about my personal motives; if you disagree with something I said, argue against it.
Ill do you the courtesy of answering you nonetheless - Americas conduct throughout this war and throughout the preceedings decades towards Iran has been criminal, in violation of any international norms, and for the benefit of Israel and some elites, NOT the American people.
Well its obvious. Trump and Rubio both said as much. "if we didnt do it Israel was going to do it" (paraphrased)
We have Israeli ministers talking about how they expect American boots on the ground as though they own America (lol they do).
We have Lindsay Grahm going to Israel to attend meetings for the purpose of influencing Trump to attack Iran.
The American government is occupied by Israel, not the American people.
Are schools built next to naval bases and military installations anywhere in the western world? What exactly is the rationale for doing this? So that when their military is attacked they get to claim collateral damage so that others can sympathize with them for essentially applying the human shield philosophy and showing absolutely no consideration for the lives of their own citizens?
Sorry I don't buy any of the human shield bullshit that only goes on in the Jihadist ruled countries that believe in religious sacrifices of its citizens. They would sacrifice you in a second too. These deaths are 100% on Iran as murders of their own citizens.
Here is my take on this.
I don’t feel sorry for Iran as they are a ruthless bunch of terrorist backers and don’t give a shit about their own citizens.
Unfortunately Israel and the US are perhaps only a shade better. They have been murdering and killing on a large scale for decades also.
There is no winner in this and the US is certainly not doing it to benefit their voters.
It wont happen, it will be the same results as in Afghanistan
Fort Bragg has an elementary school right next to it lmao.
I dont want to be condescending but your perspective on foreign relations and how foreign wars are waged is out of touch with reality. i encourage you to watch a show like "Glenn Diesen" for a different perspective.
which terrorists did they back? they played a huge role in defeating ISIS...which grew powerful by indirect American/Israeli support.
The current leader of Syria - al-Sharaa - is a former HTS terrorist. HTS is rebranded Al Quaida btw, I doubt anyone here knows that.
He met with Trump in the White House a few months ago.
America and Israel support the worst, most radical Islamist terrorists as long as they dont attack them, like Al Sharaa.
Everything you guys say about Iran and how they treat their own people applies far more to our allies like Saudi arabia
I don’t support any of these countries Iran, Israel or the US.
None of them are above supporting terrorist organizations to achieve their goals and none give a flying fuck about their own people.
You guys can fight it out which is the worst.
None of them even blink when it comes to murdering and killing thousands of innocent people to achieve their goals.
Yes but not many are constantly at the forefront of war, bombing and murdering and killing thousands of innocent people all in the name of Democracy and protecting the innocent lol. What a fucking farce.
They should send all these politicians who wage war to fight it out amongst themselves and preferably to their miserable end.
He is a Russian propagandist. I think most or all of your info comes from propagandists and is not in touch with reality.
Well only one of those countries is so powerful that it does to to the rest of the world...including Canada. You are not a soverign country, and I would argue the American people are also occupied.
Because he worked for Russia Today at one point?
Everything I said about US-Iran relations, American support for people like Al-Shara and HTS/ISIS/al-Nusra terrorists in Syria is factual. You can see for yourself from sources that are NOT "Russian propaganda."
As far as the Iran-Iraq war and the American role in facilitating chemical weapons attacks against hundreds of 1000s of Iranian people, that's not even controversial. It's a matter of history. Your media just stifles or obfuscates that fact and pretend history started with them "hating us for our freedoms"
If I want to learn facts about America that are inconvenient to the corporate media, I will look at International reporting in addition to my own counrry's news organizations.
If I want to learn facts about Russia that are censored in the West, I'll look at what the West says in addition to Russia.
You really are even more naive than I thought. There are numerous articles out there bashing him as a Russian propagandist. You can start here, unless you want to continue to be the ostrich with the head in the sand who only looks at media that spews what you want to hear:
Sier og skriver det Russland helst vil høre
I en artikkel på nettsidene til TV2 skriver den kjente nyhetsreporteren Øystein Bogen om den norske professoren Glenn Diesen som opererer som spaltist og kommentator i den russiske propagandakanalen Russia Today. Samtidig reageres det på den norske forskeren og oberstløytnanten ved Forsvarets...
www.forsvarsforeningen.no
That article didn't disprove anything he saidYou really are even more naive than I thought. There are numerous articles out there bashing him as a Russian propagandist. You can start here, unless you want to continue to be the ostrich with the head in the sand who only looks at media that spews what you want to hear:
Sier og skriver det Russland helst vil høre
I en artikkel på nettsidene til TV2 skriver den kjente nyhetsreporteren Øystein Bogen om den norske professoren Glenn Diesen som opererer som spaltist og kommentator i den russiske propagandakanalen Russia Today. Samtidig reageres det på den norske forskeren og oberstløytnanten ved Forsvarets...
, certainly not regarding Iran.The only potential angle is that Diesen doesn't want American troops on Norweigen soil because he's paid by Russia today. (quote below)
By your logic any news channel you follow then is "American propoganda" because they're paid by American networks.
You see, I spoke about the history of US-Iran relations and had points to back up my claims. You just said "the evil mullahs" and restated common tropes from American media without context.
"TV 2 has spoken to a number of academics and Russia connoisseurs in Norway and Sweden, who are shocked that Professor Diesen contributes to what they believe to be a Russian propaganda platform and over the content of his articles. Among these are Aage Borchgrevink, who is an advisor on the Norwegian Helsinki Committee. He believes Diesen presents a "sauce of erroneous claims that lie very close up to the main lines of what we associate with Russian propaganda." The award-winning Swedish journalist and editor Patrik Oksanen claims, in turn, that Diesen has lost its scientific relevance."
There are numerous articles bashing Trump as being Putin's puppet, both from American and European media. Does that make it true?
As well as numerous articles alleging Obama has a fake birth certificate...
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