Trump Victory: American heading towards Fascism? - Financial Times (London) 11/14/2024

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. This election marks the beginning of the end of trump and MAGA and a start of a return to normality and civility. The people are sick of trump's corrupt, inept, cruel authoritarian regime and have rejected him and republicans with extreme prejudice. Your culture war grievances are largely contrived and greatly overblown to make you afraid and angry while you ignore what matters most to people like the cost of living, healthcare, housing, and decency.

You believe whatever is most comforting to you and live through wishful thinking. The voter base has largely rejected Trump, yes. That does not mean they woke up that morning embracing whatever values the Democrats stand for. The protest vote is a fickle mistress, think back to the ADQ's overnight popularity surge in Quebec and subsequent disappearance as a political force (not sure if you live in Quebec but this is a QC-based forum so it counts as a safe assumption until the contrary). You'd also be wise not to brush aside culture war grievances as you call them, because one of the major factors that propelled Trump back to power was the desire to vote against subversives and saboteurs of American culture and society who found a home among the Democrats (you mentioned decency mattering to people, well decency is under attack from the gender benders and you rarely find those in the red camp, I wonder why). And as long as said issues remain the flavor of the week, it will help the Republicans in the polls. Now if the Dems are smart, they will play the big tent game and aim to appeal to a broader base in order to keep their political gains, as opposed to catering to the aforementioned subversives within their own party. But I rarely accuse the Dems of being smart.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Or perhaps the blue House and Senate will prove themselves to have all the legislative skill of a box of frogs and out themselves as worthless to the American electorate. Which will catapult a non-dinosaur MAGA candidate like Vance (not pushing 80) into the White House, to the anguished wails of well-intentioned idiots everywhere. Obama was devastated in the midterms during his first term and still went on to win a second term. The MAGA wing will not prove anywhere near as hazardous to the Republican Party in the long run as the DSA will prove to the Democratic Party, the latter will be tantamount to an outbreak of the bubonic plague in the blue camp if allowed to make their intentions known.

You're calling people "well-intentioned idiots" all the while not knowing that Congressional majorities flipping to the other party is pretty much the rule. So based on that reason alone, even absent of whatever Democrats do or fail to do, winning now has already put them on the back foot in a few years. There is one exception this century where the party in charge kept control after midterms: George W Bush in 2002, thanks to 9/11.

We have a lot of stupid people in America and people who don't pay attention but they vote like they do anyway. Trump's loss was self-made, in between the war and tariffs. The blame is accurate this time, but voters vote as if the president is a magician who is supposed to wave a wand to fix problems. High egg prices had nothing to do with the president (Biden). Rather, avian flu reduced number of available hens, which drove up prices due to scarcity. High beef prices have nothing to do with Biden or Trump. There are far less cattle in the US now than in the eighties.

So, if Democrats don't fix economic issues in two years (some matters like tariffs and cutting funding for the war are in their control, but others like high home prices are beyond their ability to quickly bring prices down), they will be voted out anyway.

In closing, yeah some of the DSA folks have extreme ideas, but there hasn't been a DSA person that started a coup that led to the storming of the US Capitol yet. It's rich to be complaining about DSA when regular Republicans aided Trump in a coup. Additionally, the current president said he was gonna be a dictator and didn't walk it back when a conservative personality (Sean Hannity) knew that wasn't a wise thing to say.

 

[Jazzman1218]

You believe whatever is most comforting to you and live through wishful thinking. The voter base has largely rejected Trump, yes. That does not mean they woke up that morning embracing whatever values the Democrats stand for. The protest vote is a fickle mistress, think back to the ADQ's overnight popularity surge in Quebec and subsequent disappearance as a political force (not sure if you live in Quebec but this is a QC-based forum so it counts as a safe assumption until the contrary). You'd also be wise not to brush aside culture war grievances as you call them, because one of the major factors that propelled Trump back to power was the desire to vote against subversives and saboteurs of American culture and society who found a home among the Democrats (you mentioned decency mattering to people, well decency is under attack from the gender benders and you rarely find those in the red camp, I wonder why). And as long as said issues remain the flavor of the week, it will help the Republicans in the polls. Now if the Dems are smart, they will play the big tent game and aim to appeal to a broader base in order to keep their political gains, as opposed to catering to the aforementioned subversives within their own party. But I rarely accuse the Dems of being smart.

You believe whatever is most comforting to you and live through wishful thinking. The voter base has largely rejected Trump, yes. That does not mean they woke up that morning embracing whatever values the Democrats stand for. The protest vote is a fickle mistress, think back to the ADQ's overnight popularity surge in Quebec and subsequent disappearance as a political force (not sure if you live in Quebec but this is a QC-based forum so it counts as a safe assumption until the contrary). You'd also be wise not to brush aside culture war grievances as you call them, because one of the major factors that propelled Trump back to power was the desire to vote against subversives and saboteurs of American culture and society who found a home among the Democrats (you mentioned decency mattering to people, well decency is under attack from the gender benders and you rarely find those in the red camp, I wonder why). And as long as said issues remain the flavor of the week, it will help the Republicans in the polls. Now if the Dems are smart, they will play the big tent game and aim to appeal to a broader base in order to keep their political gains, as opposed to catering to the aforementioned subversives within their own party. But I rarely accuse the Dems of being smart.

Wishful thinking indeed. My fellow citizens have rejected trump, and all that comes with his cruel, corrupt, and inept ways of governing, and the Republican party whose only policies were fewer regulations and tax cuts for the rich and corporations and fuck everyone else. For years republicans and right-wing media have stoked hate and fear of "the other". These aren't your so-called subversives and saboteurs but rather made-up or over-exaggerated bogeymen and cultural differences to frighten people and evoke hate. Is America still deeply divided? Yes. However, I believe the majority of Americans have turned the page from the politics of extreme division and toward a more sane future.

 

[CaptRenault]

Time to get ready for the impending disaster...especially all you born-racist, straight, "cisgender" white males. Change your pronouns and get some piercings and tattoos NOW! Also, would not be a bad idea to mercy f*ck a fat ugly woman (just be sure to get an official signed and witnessed consent form first!).

https://twitter.com/x/status/2118842244178620745

 

[Fradi]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. This election marks the beginning of the end of trump and MAGA and a start of a return to normality and civility. The people are sick of trump's corrupt, inept, cruel authoritarian regime and have rejected him and republicans with extreme prejudice. Your culture war grievances are largely contrived and greatly overblown to make you afraid and angry while you ignore what matters most to people like the cost of living, healthcare, housing, and decency.

Yep but what you fail to acknowledge is the fact that the reason Trump won is because of the cost of living and the economy mostly and that the Dems were doing a lousy job and don’t think this was because the people like the Democrats. This was 100% a rejection of Trump.
I am glad that Trump lost he is a deranged egotistical lunatic.. Nobody is going to miss him when he is finally gone.
I just hope the Dems don’t fuck their chance up and don’t resort back to their woke bullshit ways and let some new blood in their party takeover and kick Schumer out to start with. He doesn’t belong there, he is everything the Dems should not be.

 

[Womaniser]

Yep but what you fail to acknowledge is the fact that the reason Trump won is because of the cost of living and the economy mostly and that the Dems were doing a lousy job and don’t think this was because the people like the Democrats. This was 100% a rejection of Trump.
I am glad that Trump lost he is a deranged egotistical lunatic.. Nobody is going to miss him when he is finally gone.
I just hope the Dems don’t fuck their chance up and don’t resort back to their woke bullshit ways and let some new blood in their party takeover and kick Schumer out to start with. He doesn’t belong there, he is everything the Dems should not be.

When blaming DEMs, did you forget COVID 19 that affected the economies and lifes of all countries, beginning with Canada and USA ?
Could it be one of the main problems of Biden administration ?

 

[Womaniser]

When blaming DEMs, did you forget COVID 19 that affected the economies and lifes of all countries, beginning with Canada and USA ?
Could it be one of the main problems of Biden administration ?

Anyway, Trump tell today that he will get rid of his unqualified administration staff.
May I suggest him to begin with most unqualified ! HIMSELF! LOLL !

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

When blaming DEMs, did you forget COVID 19 that affected the economies and lifes of all countries, beginning with Canada and USA ?
Could it be one of the main problems of Biden administration ?

The main problem of the Biden administration is that it was led by a senile old man. And Trump's not far behind, having hit 80 himself. Not for nothing that there's a saying in the old country what goes "Old age doesn't arrive with 'Happy birthday' ".

 

[Fradi]

When blaming DEMs, did you forget COVID 19 that affected the economies and lifes of all countries, beginning with Canada and USA ?
Could it be one of the main problems of Biden administration ?

Yes Covid was one and it certainly didn’t help.
Perhaps you forgot that Biden was a senile sick old man who had no business being the President.
On top of that the Dems lied through their teeth for the good part of 2 years hiding the fact that Biden had lost his marbles, and the economy was in shambles along with the borders.

If I were you I wouldn’t put a whole lot of effort into continuing to defend Biden and the Dems.
They got their ass kicked for good reason just like this insane egotistical lunatic Trump got his this time around.

Now let’s see if either of these 2 parties have learned anything besides lying to their voters.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

When blaming DEMs, did you forget COVID 19 that affected the economies and lifes of all countries, beginning with Canada and USA ?
Could it be one of the main problems of Biden administration ?

Look at you, Womaniser. Using your brain and stuff. The inflation that happened under Biden related to the pandemic happened to multiple countries. When clueless people were putting "I did that" stickers with Biden's face on gas pumps in 2022 when gas prices shot up, it was because Russia's oil supply was boxed out of the market to punish them from attacking Ukraine. In that situation, gas prices went up in many places and not just US. Canada, most of Europe experienced the same high prices due to Russia-Ukraine war at its start.

There are a lot of people who have no idea how the economy works. All they know is blaming the party in charge. As already said, the only reason the blame is accurate this time is prices are worse is due to actions Trump took. Tariffs have affected a lot of prices. The Iran War has not only affected energy and food prices but mortgage rates went up in response too! I only feel sorry for those who didn't vote for Trump, though. Thoughtful people saw Trump has too many bad qualities to be president and didn't vote for him. They didn't need to see Trump break his promise on starting new wars before they realized he was bad news. Trump promised tariffs during reelection--in a country where people were complaining about high prices under Biden--and he still won! Trump is a smaller symptom of the bigger problem of stupid voters.

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

There are a lot of people who have no idea how the economy works. All they know is blaming the party in charge. As already said, the only reason the blame is accurate this time is prices are worse is due to actions Trump took. Tariffs have affected a lot of prices. The Iran War has not only affected energy and food prices but mortgage rates went up in response too! I only feel sorry for those who didn't vote for Trump, though. Thoughtful people saw Trump has too many bad qualities to be president and didn't vote for him. They didn't need to see Trump break his promise on starting new wars before they realized he was bad news. Trump promised tariffs during reelection--in a country where people were complaining about high prices under Biden--and he still won! Trump is a smaller symptom of the bigger problem of stupid voters.

It's literally the South Park conundrum of the shit sandwich vs. the giant douche. Trump is essentially a giant douche and I opt for him, because at least a giant douche is hygienic and I can't think of anything more downright repulsive than eating the Dem shit sandwich. Then those who did not vote for Trump will do mental gymnastics to rationalize how a giant douche is somehow more disgusting than a shit sandwich.

 

[Fradi]

It's literally the South Park conundrum of the shit sandwich vs. the giant douche. Trump is essentially a giant douche and I opt for him, because at least a giant douche is hygienic and I can't think of anything more downright repulsive than eating the Dem shit sandwich. Then those who did not vote for Trump will do mental gymnastics to rationalize how a giant douche is somehow more disgusting than a shit sandwich.

I am glad I am not an American is a simple way to put it.