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Sexuality and violence are intertwined for a lot of people. I had a pretty traumatic and violent childhood that led me to believe that I was unlovable and left me with physical scars, chronic pains, and habitual anxieties. I learned erroneously that showing my feelings and being honest were extremely dangerous. I experienced rejection over and over from family, friends, lovers, jobs, etc .

Before long the sense of shame and resentment became unbearable and I turned to sex workers to explore my sexuality in a safe place. Unfortunately, I also felt shame about this. I had no one to talk about it. I believed I was a lesser person because I could not get a "real girl" or "play the game" or whatever other ways people disparage each other. Perhaps this idea of hobbying is a way of projecting shame onto the women. Who would want to admit that the only real sexual pleasure one has ever found have been towards someone whom they paid to fake orgasms with them for an hour and who forgot them soon after and, in some cases, would write things like "here to look pretty and rob men" on their instagram pages?

Some have called me an incell a few times. I don't identify myself as a victim. The complexities of life are beyond this. I've learned a great deal from my experiences and shame. I've learned that I was inevitably the one instigating, accepting, and identifying with the shame. I feel less of a drive to see sex workers now. I'm more interested in real loving relationships and caring friendships. There are times when I doubt whether I'm too ruined to find love, but I turn to feeling the life in my body instead of dwelling on these thoughts. I do truly appreciate the experiences I've had. I wish I could thank every sex worker I've ever met personally. I haven't always been a perfect client. I've not been a great tipper and there was a time when I was a bit of a time waster sometimes. I'm sorry. I also sought fantasies and used women as objects at times. However, I felt lucky to see moments of authenticity in myself and, perhaps, in the sex workers I've seen more often than one might imagine. Sex workers are often rare and exceptionally strong people. Of course there have been plenty of unpleasant experiences as well where I got ripped off. We all have bad days and various forms of desperation. Such is life.

We all need to be seen and heard and to exist as we are. To me this was never a hobby. I can't say I understand those who consider it as such, but they would probably not understand my reasonings. Perhaps it's best to not call this hobbying or anything in particular. Maybe "sensual-erotic training" is better. But the map is never the territory, no matter how convincing the data might suggest.

Thanks for reading this. Cheers. And let's be kind to one another. We're all in it together.
 

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Sexuality and violence are intertwined for a lot of people. I had a pretty traumatic and violent childhood that led me to believe that I was unlovable and left me with physical scars, chronic pains, and habitual anxieties. I learned erroneously that showing my feelings and being honest were extremely dangerous. I experienced rejection over and over from family, friends, lovers, jobs, etc .

Before long the sense of shame and resentment became unbearable and I turned to sex workers to explore my sexuality in a safe place. Unfortunately, I also felt shame about this. I had no one to talk about it. I believed I was a lesser person because I could not get a "real girl" or "play the game" or whatever other ways people disparage each other. Perhaps this idea of hobbying is a way of projecting shame onto the women. Who would want to admit that the only real sexual pleasure one has ever found have been towards someone whom they paid to fake orgasms with them for an hour and who forgot them soon after and, in some cases, would write things like "here to look pretty and rob men" on their instagram pages?

Some have called me an incell a few times. I don't identify myself as a victim. The complexities of life are beyond this. I've learned a great deal from my experiences and shame. I've learned that I was inevitably the one instigating, accepting, and identifying with the shame. I feel less of a drive to see sex workers now. I'm more interested in real loving relationships and caring friendships. There are times when I doubt whether I'm too ruined to find love, but I turn to feeling the life in my body instead of dwelling on these thoughts. I do truly appreciate the experiences I've had. I wish I could thank every sex worker I've ever met personally. I haven't always been a perfect client. I've not been a great tipper and there was a time when I was a bit of a time waster sometimes. I'm sorry. I also sought fantasies and used women as objects at times. However, I felt lucky to see moments of authenticity in myself and, perhaps, in the sex workers I've seen more often than one might imagine. Sex workers are often rare and exceptionally strong people. Of course there have been plenty of unpleasant experiences as well where I got ripped off. We all have bad days and various forms of desperation. Such is life.

We all need to be seen and heard and to exist as we are. To me this was never a hobby. I can't say I understand those who consider it as such, but they would probably not understand my reasonings. Perhaps it's best to not call this hobbying or anything in particular. Maybe "sensual-erotic training" is better. But the map is never the territory, no matter how convincing the data might suggest.

Thanks for reading this. Cheers. And let's be kind to one another. We're all in it together.

That is quite a share, but so eloquently worded. We all have our pasts, but it is the growth, and learning to accept ourselves that can be the hardest part, but ever so rewarding.

Everyone is deserving of love. And I believe there is so many people in the world with so many different things, there is likely someone. Being open to accept it and trying to believe it is real can be a challenge, especially when coming from believing who you are isn't someone worth anyone loving. (Self reflection, not projection).
 

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I still don’t understand how fucking women is considered a hobby by some of you
I don't think it's a hobby, just a way some guys look at it to explain it to themselves.

I have started due to being with a relatively great partner but sexless long term relationship. I heard it being defined as less than 10 times per year and lost it. Can I fix it? Do I want to? So anyhow here I am. I won't try and speak for others but yeah, I do have an opinion.
 

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Sexuality and violence are intertwined for a lot of people. I had a pretty traumatic and violent childhood that led me to believe that I was unlovable and left me with physical scars, chronic pains, and habitual anxieties. I learned erroneously that showing my feelings and being honest were extremely dangerous. I experienced rejection over and over from family, friends, lovers, jobs, etc .

Before long the sense of shame and resentment became unbearable and I turned to sex workers to explore my sexuality in a safe place. Unfortunately, I also felt shame about this. I had no one to talk about it. I believed I was a lesser person because I could not get a "real girl" or "play the game" or whatever other ways people disparage each other. Perhaps this idea of hobbying is a way of projecting shame onto the women. Who would want to admit that the only real sexual pleasure one has ever found have been towards someone whom they paid to fake orgasms with them for an hour and who forgot them soon after and, in some cases, would write things like "here to look pretty and rob men" on their instagram pages?

Some have called me an incell a few times. I don't identify myself as a victim. The complexities of life are beyond this. I've learned a great deal from my experiences and shame. I've learned that I was inevitably the one instigating, accepting, and identifying with the shame. I feel less of a drive to see sex workers now. I'm more interested in real loving relationships and caring friendships. There are times when I doubt whether I'm too ruined to find love, but I turn to feeling the life in my body instead of dwelling on these thoughts. I do truly appreciate the experiences I've had. I wish I could thank every sex worker I've ever met personally. I haven't always been a perfect client. I've not been a great tipper and there was a time when I was a bit of a time waster sometimes. I'm sorry. I also sought fantasies and used women as objects at times. However, I felt lucky to see moments of authenticity in myself and, perhaps, in the sex workers I've seen more often than one might imagine. Sex workers are often rare and exceptionally strong people. Of course there have been plenty of unpleasant experiences as well where I got ripped off. We all have bad days and various forms of desperation. Such is life.

We all need to be seen and heard and to exist as we are. To me this was never a hobby. I can't say I understand those who consider it as such, but they would probably not understand my reasonings. Perhaps it's best to not call this hobbying or anything in particular. Maybe "sensual-erotic training" is better. But the map is never the territory, no matter how convincing the data might suggest.

Thanks for reading this. Cheers. And let's be kind to one another. We're all in it together.
I'm not here to "look pretty and rob men".. I am actually really glad that seeing sex workers has been healing for you and that's what we're here for. :)
 

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There is no way of knowing if anybody is trustworthy anyway. As a SP you do whatever is possible to make you confortable, if it gets you anxious to the point of making you sick, it does not worth it.
I don't feel anxious about seeing clients anymore, most of my clients are really sweet and respectful :) I'm more worried about what I see on this forum sometimes, but it's not to the point of being sick. I'm just speaking my mind.
 

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I don't think it's a hobby, just a way some guys look at it to explain it to themselves.

I have started due to being with a relatively great partner but sexless long term relationship. I heard it being defined as less than 10 times per year and lost it. Can I fix it? Do I want to? So anyhow here I am. I won't try and speak for others but yeah, I do have an opinion.
Yeah I think this subject is extremely complicated.. we're not here to judge.
 

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The definition of a hobby is an activity done regulary during ones free time.. but i kind of agree its a bit weird to call it like that but it can fit the definition..
Yeah it's true but I think thats kinda beyond the point we were trying to make.. I do think it's a question of semantics in some cases and guys don't want to be called "johns" or "tricks" which is derogatory and doesn't allow ppl to view the complexity of a relationship between an escort and her client and how they can be really beneficial in some cases :)
 

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Yeah it's true but I think thats kinda beyond the point we were trying to make.. I do think it's a question of semantics in some cases and guys don't want to be called "johns" or "tricks" which is derogatory and doesn't allow ppl to view the complexity of a relationship between an escort and her client and how they can be really beneficial in some cases :)
What is so derogatory about calling it a hobby? Some people just want to have a quick fling, some want more human contacts and affection like you said.
 

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What is so derogatory about calling it a hobby? Some people just want to have a quick fling, some want more human contacts and affection like you said.
I don't think it's necessarily derogatory, it's just the way some people view seeing escorts, what they think about us, how they treat us. Otherwise it's not that big of a deal I agree it's just a word
 

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I'm not here to "look pretty and rob men".. I am actually really glad that seeing sex workers has been healing for you and that's what we're here for. :)
Thanks, I appreciate it. Sorry, perhaps that seemed accusatory. I didn't mean it that way. It did perturb me, but that's on me. It was something I saw on a SW's instagram, and I decided not to meet with her after seeing it. I think she has a more dominatrix angle which is fine. I'm not judging. Just not my thing.
 
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Thanks, I appreciate it. Sorry, perhaps that seemed accusatory. I didn't mean it that way. It did perturb me, but that's on me. It was something I saw on a SW's instagram, and I decided not to meet with her after seeing it. I think she has a more dominatrix angle which is fine. I'm not judging. Just not my thing.
If she has a dominatrix angle, it's branding for her. Some men are actually into this type of thing.. Like I said earlier today SW'rs are not a monolith, we all have our way of interacting with clients. I speak my mind but I am not a mean person. Anyone who has met me in person can confirm that I'm very kind and welcoming. It's important for me.
 

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That is quite a share, but so eloquently worded. We all have our pasts, but it is the growth, and learning to accept ourselves that can be the hardest part, but ever so rewarding.

Everyone is deserving of love. And I believe there is so many people in the world with so many different things, there is likely someone. Being open to accept it and trying to believe it is real can be a challenge, especially when coming from believing who you are isn't someone worth anyone loving. (Self reflection, not projection).
Thanks! I appreciate your kind words. I wish you well too :)
 

parmenides

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If she has a dominatrix angle, it's branding for her. Some men are actually into this type of thing.. Like I said earlier today SW'rs are not a monolith, we all have our way of interacting with clients. I speak my mind but I am not a mean person. Anyone who has met me in person can confirm that I'm very kind and welcoming. It's important for me.
Right, creating a brand is important for business. In order to survive, most people develop useful personas that are helpful in life. Might as well make money with one. Dominatrixes can also be very healing for some people. It turned me off, but that's just me. I'm glad you're very kind and welcoming. Thanks :)
 

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Right, creating a brand is important for business. In order to survive, most people develop useful personas that are helpful in life. Might as well make money with one. Dominatrixes can also be very healing for some people. It turned me off, but that's just me. I'm glad you're very kind and welcoming. Thanks :)
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying! Personally I'm interested in eventually creating a dominatrix persona, but I wouldn't write ''I'm here to be pretty and rob men'' lol. But I feel like the provider who wrote this is just being bratty and teasing.. She's probably not serious. :) But maybe she is not the provider for you.
 

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Personally I find it pretty easy to identify the red flags, I'm more talking about for you as a client, how can you tell that someone is a honest lover of escorts and someone who is a slobbyist.. because it makes a difference in who you can trust for info. We know clients DM each other and there are probably a lot of lies and rumors that naive guys believe, from malicious clients.. Or personal details that should remain private are shared, and it's dangerous.

Same thing with reviews. How do you know who you can trust? You saw how for instance some guy completely made up a story about me saying my professional photos are unedited. (what I actually told him is that my photographer didn't hide my tattoos and i wanted clients to know i had them) This is nothing compared to some horrible shit I see all the time in the review section.. Some clients have ''notoriety'' because they have been around for a while and post a lot of reviews, but there's no way of knowing if they are really trustworthy.
The sex and communication is way better than a Girlfriend I find and respect is all there so not a hobby in any way for me
 
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