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Mandouke

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Unfortunately many Muslims from the Middle East don't leave their hatred of Jews behind when they come to a place like Montreal. Montreal used to be a safe, welcoming place for Jews. Now I think a lot of them have left for either Israel or the U.S.
It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London.
 

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It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.

You are right, it is not taking Montreal long to descend into the shithole that many other places have become, look at Paris and London
So what’s the solution?
Stop immigration? Let go some of our liberties ???
 

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It is not just their hatred of Jews that many Moslems bring with them; if they are following the Koran and practising its teachings, they are perpetuating that hatred on all religions and different walks of life.
I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.
 
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The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.
Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.
 

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I have a client who is a Minister of a Christian Faith. Although originally from an African nation that has both Christian and Muslim populations, he immigrated to the USA as a young man, and received his PhD in theology and divinity studies here.

He strongly believes that Islam is not a legitimate religion, but a well organized cult which fosters hatred of other religions and manipulates the political infrastructure of host nations to oppress and subjugate swaths of the population in a divisive manner. Divide and conquer based on an us vs. them type mentality.

However that doesn't fly in the USA and Canada due to separation of Church and state. Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.

Some small minded people have accused Israel of not separating Church and State due to the influence of the extreme orthodox right on the government, but I don't really believe that. There are a significant number of Israeli Arabs, who are all Muslims, in the Knesset. They don't chant the "Death to Israel" bullshit you hear elsewhere in the Arab world and are Israelis first and Muslims second.

The entire rest of the Middle East is and has been perpetually fucked up due to the inability to separate Church or Mosque and State and create secular governments. As a result, they are evolutionarily behind other countries and remain so, this despite vast natural resources in some of these countries without which they would be living like they did 1500 years ago.

Both the Koran and history prove this to be true. Wherever Islam is or has been, death and destruction follow when the numbers are right.

In terms of the Arab Israeli's their numbers are not sufficient; when they are, the problems will start.

The Minister of Christian Faith is correct.
 

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Emigration from Arab countries is the most affected by religious extremism despite of the formal separation between religion and state in some Arab countries. In contrast, the Iranian emigration is either secular or is very tolerant both in the US and Canada despite of the extremist religious state at home. It shows that not only religion but also the traditional tribalism (“us” versus” them’) and culture plays a significant role.
There are 2 type of iranians in canada ( according to an iranian refugee I met in California recently )
The ones that identifies as persians and hate the regime and the pro-regimes chiites that we saw parading downtown screaming in all black burkas and outfits a few weeks ago
Apparently it is known among iranian diaspora that canada hosts a lot of those extremists pro regimes. Apparently they receive financing from the ayatollahs to promote their agenda
 
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There are 2 type of iranians in canada ( according to an iranian refugee I met in California recently )
The ones that identifies as persians and hate the regime and the pro-regimes chiites that we saw parading downtown screaming in all black burkas and outfits a few weeks ago
Apparently it is known among iranian diaspora that canada hosts a lot of those extremists pro regimes. Apparently they receive financing from the ayatollahs to promote their agenda
Indeed. When speaking with Iranians, you will notice that those who identify as Persian are Iranians who are pro-democratic and dislike Islam and what it has done to their people. They are usually young and well-educated, and very friendly people.

Indeed. Canada, for decades, has received some of the worst refugee types. They are the ones that usually support the dictating regimes in power, and when the power struggle starts, they flee and places like Canada receive them.
 

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We can be picky on who we let in. Just saying...
We need proper vetting and a reinstatement of the point system for all immigrants. When my mother and father came to Canada, there was no Medicare and few social programs; you had to work and pay taxes. They were admitted under that point system.

Bring it back, cut or limit the social entitlements and end the endless family class that is destroying our healthcare system with grandparents brought over in their 70s and 80s and immediately given healthcare at a time in their life when they need it most.

The current system is unsustainable.
 
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As Brigette Gabriel (a Lebanese American Christian) explains so well in this short video, Israel left Gaza to the Palestinians and, with the help of Iran, they turned into into a vast camp for launching terror attacks on Israel. It's sad to imagine what they could have done with it. As a native of Lebanon, Gabriel understands how Islamist extremists can completely ruin a country.




ugh.

I'm going to first say that this mind blowing ignorance and bigotry, especially at this very moment, are truly hideous.
I need to point out that all of this is completely irrelevant to what is going on. It's a discussion that is only a deflection from the priority, which is the abomination that has been relentless for 21 months, more of the stupid talking points




About Gabriel (what a shocker: she's a grifter and a professional bigot):

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BG: I want to start with the accusation of the occupation. Israel was minding its own business ever since it existed it it reached out to the Arabic World. It wanted to have peace with the Arabic World.


Oh, please. Give me a break. This is, of course, one of the endlessly recycled typical talking point that some people just repeat over and over.

Facts: Israel removed its own illegal squatters from stolen land that they have illegally occupied since 1967. Not to mention most in Gaza were already refugees who were ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948 and illegally prevented from returning to their homes in violation of their legally recognized right of return.

I've discussed on the Iran thread but the zionist terrorists destroyed over 400 Palestinian villages and towns, in many places they committed massacres, or they simply moved right into their homes, looted every last thing from homes, from their businesses, as if they were entitled to it. They stole archives, entire libraries, they stole the money from their bank accounts. Everything.


Facts - And these aren't my feelings or my opinion, this is straight from the ICJ’s advisory opinion from July 2024:

Gaza has remained illegally occupied, even after 2006.


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Let me just drop this here. You would think Israel would have accepted that offer... If they actually did want peace and 2 separate states (which is not just obvious based on their actions but is what they have said repeatedly and for decades that they do not).. From 2006:


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BG: In 1964 when the PLO the Palestinian Liberation Organization was founded the West Bank was in the hands of Jordan it was Jordan and Gaza was in the hands of Egypt it was Egypt so the PLO was founded in 1964 not because of Any occupation. They wanted to drive the Jews into the sea and get rid of every single Jew in the Middle East.


I’m not sure what the relevance is… who cares. Also, here we have the usual “every accusation is a confession” that is practically always behind such claims. What do you think Israel’s been doing to the Palestinians since before they were even a country? They started ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 1947 and by 1949, after some 30+ massacres, 400+ villages destroyed or taken over, they’d expelled over 750k Palestinians. Literally pushed into the sea in some cases. 80% of Gaza are descendants of refugees expelled and dispossessed by Israel.

It’s amazing how people can have no shame whatsoever saying the most preposterous things, as if Israel is just passively killing kids in Gaza. The kids are running up to sniper and pulling the trigger themselves. They volunteer to have a bullet in the head. Sick fucks. Those doing it & just as disgusting are the people repeating this garbage.







BG: Israel tried repeating the only reason the Palestinian lost the in ' 67 and they lost Gaza and the West Bank is because they preempted an attack against Israel.


Nope.

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BG: And over and over again Israel reached out to them to make peace with them in 2000 Ehud Barack offered them 97% of the territories back and they refused it again and again.


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Also, this is interesting (link to document)








BG: And again in 2005 when Israel withdrew out of Gaza they said okay we're going to give you your own State, we're going to give you your own territory. Israel forcibly removed its own people fighting. The IDF by force removed them out of Gaza - not only remove the people they dug out dead Jews, Bones from the cemeteries because they knew exactly what the Palestinians are going to do to the cemeteries. So in 2005 when Israel withdrew out of Gaza, there wasn't one Jew alive or dead in Gaza.


Interesting. All bullshit but interesting. Gaza was never “given” a state (as if Israel is in charge or “giving” states. Rather, it illegally imposes an occupation and a land, sea and air blockade. That’s not “giving” them their own territory. There was a reason Israel chose to pull their ILLEGAL settlers living on STOLEN land.

If they stayed in Gaza, the 2 million people there would jeopardize a Jewish majority and in typical Israeli mental gymnastics olympics, as long as they could keep a Jewish majority, they could still pretend to be a democracy. They weren’t doing it for altruistic reasons.


The cemeteries comment caught my attention. Imagine making all kinds of claims when the reality is this:


Full report (video) :: here ::


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BG: They turned over the key to them and said okay great, now build your own place you are independent. Israel even left them the green houses. Israel was exporting 50 million flowers to Europe in 2004 out of Gaza. The green houses, the fruits, the vegetables, the flowers.. they left them to the Palestinians so they can have an industry where they can support themselves.

And what did the Palestinians do? Within 24 hours after Israel withdrew, not only they destroyed every single Jewish synagogue in the area they destroyed the green houses, ripped out the pipe and even stole the copper out of the pipe.

Honestly, I’m not even looking up the synagogue claim because I already know it’s going to be some bigoted lie based on every other claim being complete bullshit. But feel free to count how many mosques and churches the Israeli army has bombed, demolished or desecrated in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem AND in Lebanon.

As for the greenhouses…Israel did not “give them” and reality is much different than the official talking points claim - as is always the case:


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Speaking of greenhouses:

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BG: And then they had an election so the in their first election the first woman elected to the cabinet of Hamas was a woman by the name Um nidal they called her the mother of the resistance and she ran on the platform I killed three of my sons because she had videos of her sons she dressing them in suicide bomb uh bombers to go kill Israelis she said I already gave up three for the cause I have another seven to give that's why she was elected so that's a democratic election for Hamas.

So I don’t know what she’s saying. There were more than one woman elected in 2006. Yes, she had sons who died but the rest of the story is pretty typical of the virulent islamophobic propaganda that Gabriel & her organization love to manufacture. Honestly, I don’t gaf and I don’t see how it’s even relevant. You don’t think I can find Israeli mothers with multiple deceased children who were killed in the army? The only thing this comment does is demonstrate how bigoted she and others like her are because they give themselves away with this kind of frame. It’s pathetic.





BG: Gaza could have been turned into Singapore. They had the money, they had more money pouring into the Palestinian territories and still do from all over the world and what did they do with it? They build a tunnel infrastructure underneath, bigger than the subway system in New York instead of helping their people…


Blah blah blah
Blockade = no economy.
Periodic attacks, destroying homes, infrastructure, hospitals, schools… and then what makes it hard to even rebuild? BLOCKADE.


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Israel had no intention on having Gaza "turned into Singapore". Maybe you've heard of the "Gaza diet"?

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BG: So those who scream about the occupation. The Palestinians have brought this on themselves again and again and again.


Is she saying the Israelis brought Oct 7th and any past attack on themselves? Sure sounds like it. That’s her argument, not mine.

Are you saying you agree with this?

Overall: 1/10
Brigitte Gabriel is repeating bs.


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Canada is becoming rotten like many european countries
Whether you like it or not it’s obvious and it’s growing
I don’t know how this can be fixes
Stupid trudeau thought that our tolerance can be appreciated and our culture can be embraced by showing tolerance and opening our arms but it is the opposite that is happening. They laugh at us and abuse our kindness

Yes, you sound a lot like the crowd of racists Europeans. It's the low hanging fruit. And I'm not sure what this has to do with the depravity in Gaza.

Are you indigenous? If you're not you're an immigrant.


BTW, no the current state of things can't be fixed but it isn't about immigration.
 

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ugh.

I'm going to first say that this mind blowing ignorance and bigotry, especially at this very moment, are truly hideous.
I need to point out that all of this is completely irrelevant to what is going on. It's a discussion that is only a deflection from the priority, which is the abomination that has been relentless for 21 months, more of the stupid talking points




About Gabriel (what a shocker: she's a grifter and a professional bigot):

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Oh, please. Give me a break. This is, of course, one of the endlessly recycled typical talking point that some people just repeat over and over.

Facts: Israel removed its own illegal squatters from stolen land that they have illegally occupied since 1967. Not to mention most in Gaza were already refugees who were ethnically cleansed by Israel in 1948 and illegally prevented from returning to their homes in violation of their legally recognized right of return.

I've discussed on the Iran thread but the zionist terrorists destroyed over 400 Palestinian villages and towns, in many places they committed massacres, or they simply moved right into their homes, looted every last thing from homes, from their businesses, as if they were entitled to it. They stole archives, entire libraries, they stole the money from their bank accounts. Everything.


Facts - And these aren't my feelings or my opinion, this is straight from the ICJ’s advisory opinion from July 2024:

Gaza has remained illegally occupied, even after 2006.


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Let me just drop this here. You would think Israel would have accepted that offer... If they actually did want peace and 2 separate states (which is not just obvious based on their actions but is what they have said repeatedly and for decades that they do not).. From 2006:


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I’m not sure what the relevance is… who cares. Also, here we have the usual “every accusation is a confession” that is practically always behind such claims. What do you think Israel’s been doing to the Palestinians since before they were even a country? They started ethnically cleansing Palestinians in 1947 and by 1949, after some 30+ massacres, 400+ villages destroyed or taken over, they’d expelled over 750k Palestinians. Literally pushed into the sea in some cases. 80% of Gaza are descendants of refugees expelled and dispossessed by Israel.

It’s amazing how people can have no shame whatsoever saying the most preposterous things, as if Israel is just passively killing kids in Gaza. The kids are running up to sniper and pulling the trigger themselves. They volunteer to have a bullet in the head. Sick fucks. Those doing it & just as disgusting are the people repeating this garbage.










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Interesting. All bullshit but interesting. Gaza was never “given” a state (as if Israel is in charge or “giving” states. Rather, it illegally imposes an occupation and a land, sea and air blockade. That’s not “giving” them their own territory. There was a reason Israel chose to pull their ILLEGAL settlers living on STOLEN land.

If they stayed in Gaza, the 2 million people there would jeopardize a Jewish majority and in typical Israeli mental gymnastics olympics, as long as they could keep a Jewish majority, they could still pretend to be a democracy. They weren’t doing it for altruistic reasons.


The cemeteries comment caught my attention. Imagine making all kinds of claims when the reality is this:


Full report (video) :: here ::


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Honestly, I’m not even looking up the synagogue claim because I already know it’s going to be some bigoted lie based on every other claim being complete bullshit. But feel free to count how many mosques and churches the Israeli army has bombed, demolished or desecrated in Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem AND in Lebanon.

As for the greenhouses…Israel did not “give them” and reality is much different than the official talking points claim - as is always the case:


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Speaking of greenhouses:

No Traces of Life: Israel's Ecocide in Gaza
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So I don’t know what she’s saying. There were more than one woman elected in 2006. Yes, she had sons who died but the rest of the story is pretty typical of the virulent islamophobic propaganda that Gabriel & her organization love to manufacture. Honestly, I don’t gaf and I don’t see how it’s even relevant. You don’t think I can find Israeli mothers with multiple deceased children who were killed in the army? The only thing this comment does is demonstrate how bigoted she and others like her are because they give themselves away with this kind of frame. It’s pathetic.








Blah blah blah
Blockade = no economy.
Periodic attacks, destroying homes, infrastructure, hospitals, schools… and then what makes it hard to even rebuild? BLOCKADE.


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Israel had no intention on having Gaza "turned into Singapore". Maybe you've heard of the "Gaza diet"?

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Is she saying the Israelis brought Oct 7th and any past attack on themselves? Sure sounds like it. That’s her argument, not mine.

Are you saying you agree with this?

Overall: 1/10
Brigitte Gabriel is repeating bs.


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I just hopped you could use this same energy to describe the wrongdoings of hamas as well
There’s no moral equivalence in any case in what hamas iran hezbollah houtis are pledging to do the israelis to what israel is doing to them !!
Some moral honesty is clearly lacking on the
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@Anna Bijou

It is clear to me you are misinformed or simply chose to refute facts. Do you know that when Israel was reformed, there was a war? Not started by Israel, but by Arab Nations who didn't accepted the partition. They encouraged "Palestinians" to leave during the war, thinking they would win. They didn't. Like any lost war, the winner gain territories. This territory was never an actual country, it was always under ruling, be it the Ottoman, the Brits etc. So this whole claim that "Palestine want a state" always felt weird to me. I would sugest you go watch some videos on youtube about Arab Israelis who are more than happy to be so and would never want to live in "Palestine".

Then the funniest part of your post is that you deny Israel claim to their ancestral land, but then you proceed to say we are "immigrants" in Canada. May i remind you its our ancestors, the French, who built this country...

You seem to forget that during history every single land, country, empire, was involved in wars and territories was conquered. Could we do better in modern times? Yes. And i think in Canada we try to do so.

Now when it comes to Israel, that is a very complicated situation. They are the ONLY Jewish country in the world (how many Arab/Muslim nations are they again? And they cry about a tiny piece of land) and their neighbors want their destruction.

I don't know where that hate for Israel come from, and why you so openly support peoples that have shown to be barbaric and would had done far worst if they had the means. If Gaza had the means that Israel have, that would be an actual true genocide ...OF THE JEWS.

Gaza as a country is not even realistic. Its too small, it always relied on international aid, seriously they could never be self sufficient. But lets pretend they could... fine. Then for that to happen, they need to be deradicalized. A whole generation has grew up under Hamas terrorist propaganda... Conditioned since birth to hate the Jews. That won't be fixed in a few days. The simple fact that Hamas refuse to surrender still show how embled in hate they are.
 

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Why pick sides? They both seem horrible. Here's my plan to fix things. It's a wee bit drastic, but hear me out. Give everyone in the area a month to clear out. Housing and transportation will be provided to those that need it. Once everyone's gone, drop so many nukes that the area will be inhabitable for centuries.

No more "holy land" means they no longer have that reason to fight. Will they still fight? Maybe, but at least they'll have to be honest about their motivations. Religion is fine when when you keep it to yourself and those interested. When it leads to mass-death, it's a disease that needs to be treated.
 

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I'm frankly amazed that there are still people who are so hateful, racist and cruel that they can still in July 2025 feel no shame in openly professing their full support for the most heinous, cruel and sadistic crimes against overwhelmingly civilians, mostly against children. There are no words strong enough to describe it.

I don't know if it's willful ignorance, or if people are fully aware and support it, it doesn't matter because they're just as culpable either way. But the unbelievable number of crimes that have been committed (and most of them openly: the soldiers have been documenting their own crimes on their public social media, Israeli media has been broadcasting politicians, artists, academic, lawyers and everyone else's hate speech, incitement to genocide). In 2025, it's easy to get translations from Hebrew and the Internet gives us access. But I assume people conveniently see none of it.

They admit to targeting civilians.
They admit to targeting civilians.
They admit to targeting civilians.
They admit to targeting civilians.


They target medical workers.

They target journalists.

They attack and destroy hospitals. REPEATEDLY.

They use starvation as a weapon of war.

They target humanitarian workers.

They kidnap civilians, keep them in horrible conditions, torture them, starve them, rape and sexually assault them, kill over 60 of them. They subject them to medical neglect, many times resulting in amputation.

They’ve perverted the whole concept of what humanitarian aid is supposed to mean.

I have to admit that I've still been quite surprised at how far people have been willing to degrade their humanity by defending the most vile crimes. I would not have ever guessed that so many people literally had no red line that, if crossed, would be going too far. But here we are, and I've had to acknowledge that there are people who will literally defend anything Israel could do to Palestinians. It's both disturbing and eye opening.






























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Depravity.
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They literally test their weapons on Palestinians and have been for years. Someone wrote a book about. Sick.



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Americans are not only funding Israel - billions and billions - they're actually participating. With Israel they created a fake humanitarian organization. They're actually contractors or mercenaries that are heavily armed. Along with the IDF, they have killed over 800 and injured over 1000+ people who are trying to get food for their families. It's the most dehumanizing and humiliating and obviously deliberately cruel.






American-Israeli sadism. But also the entire world, especially the "West".






























 
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Separation of church and state is the key to preventing these shenanigans by any religion or cult.
The problem is the selective application of the separation of church and state. This is evident in most Western nations to date and has been the case for some time. Rotherham in the UK is a prime example.
 

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*Would someone please explain to Anna how to use the quote and link functions. :rolleyes:

Sam Harris is a prominent American public intellectual. He is half Jewish (Jewish mother) but he was raised in a secular home and became an ardent atheist as an adult. He has an undergrad degree from Stanford and a PhD in cognitive neuroscience from UCLA. He does not like or support Trump on most issues. He also dislikes Netanyahu and he has often criticized Israel.

However, in light of the events of the past couple years he has modified his views. He recently explained how on his substack page


If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be peace in the region. If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be a genocide.

...Since publishing my first book, The End of Faith, I have consistently criticized all forms of religious sectarianism. However, in the aftermath of October 7th, my thinking about Israel shifted—in response to the deluge of antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and moral perversity that burst the banks of the Internet and began seeping into every corner of culture. While I have no religious connection to Judaism, and have many misgivings about the current government of Israel, the global response to October 7th made me a Zionist.

...My opinion of religious sectarianism hasn’t improved, but I now believe that the concerns referenced in the second paragraph are overwhelming. Antisemitism is such a singular hatred, the Holocaust such a singular evil, and its denial such a singular insult, that defending Israel would be a moral necessity even if there were no other rationale for it.

But, of course, there is a more generic concern that has always governed my thinking about the conflict in the Middle East—and that is the omnipresent threat of jihadism. And on this topic there really should be no confusion about my views. Indeed, if one wanted to predict how I will judge the ethics of any future conflict, be it here on Earth or in some doomed colony on Mars, knowing whether jihadists are involved, and on which side, will suffice.

This is why the history of the Middle East is of no relevance to me—and why debating discrepant accounts of this history would be a waste of time (I’ll discuss Israel’s conduct of the war in a moment). My only concern is what people believe, and want, and judge to be sacred—now. Above all, I care about what people are willing to kill for. Beliefs about the past form some part of this inner landscape, but no account of history illuminates it. And no debate over what really happened in 1948, 1967, 2006, or in any other year will allow Palestinians and Jews to transcend their mutual grievances and hatreds. Everything that is worth knowing about this conflict can be learned from the behavior and utterances of ordinary people, on both sides, today.

And, as it happens, jihadists make no secret of their ambitions, however abhorrent. Most are as guileless and garrulous as a beauty queen the moment she is crowned. Just as there can be no doubt as to whether the lovely young lady from Tennessee wants a career in media, a large family, and peace on Earth, any Muslim fanatic who claims to “love death more than the Jews (or the infidels, or the Americans) love life” should be taken at his word.

The philosopher Karl Popper defined an "open society" as one whose inhabitants are free to think, speak, and act according to their own conscience, and where institutions are structured to allow for criticism and the peaceful correction of errors. Such a political order stands in contrast to the various tribal, authoritarian, or totalitarian alternatives, which Popper described as "closed." Understanding the differences between these regimes, and remaining alert to the ways that open societies can fail, is among the most important tasks of the present.

Islam is now the second largest religion on Earth, with more than 25 percent of humanity among its faithful. Unfortunately, several of its doctrines conflict with the core values of any open society. Like all religions, Islam takes diverse forms across cultures, and many Muslims live peacefully in secular democracies. But wherever the core tenets of the faith are fully embraced, secular norms come under pressure—especially with respect to freedom of speech, gender equality, and freedom of conscience.

This isn’t merely a theoretical concern. Among the top 50 countries ranked by Freedom House for political rights and civil liberties, not one has a Muslim population exceeding 10 percent—apart from Cyprus. Conversely, most of the nations at the bottom of that list are Muslim-majority states, keeping company with China, North Korea, and Russia. In the 14th century, a secular liberal would have found life intolerable everywhere under Christendom; today, the same can be said for anyone seeking a life of freedom wherever Islam dominates. That such a claim will be considered “Islamophobic” in most liberal circles in the West is symptomatic of a pervasive delusion—one that has been carefully nurtured by Islam’s apologists. This inability (or refusal) to distinguish between a criticism of dangerous ideas and a hatred for people is itself a capitulation to the forces of theocracy.

Islam is long overdue for an Enlightenment. But theological obstacles—most notably the imagined inerrancy of the Qur’an and the sterling example set by the Prophet Muhammad—have made lasting reform very difficult to achieve. Those who dismiss this observation as further evidence of bigotry are either ignorant of Islamic doctrine or lying about it.1


Unfortunately, the term “jihadism,” which has the virtue of precision, also functions like a euphemism—as the concept can appear detached from the mainstream religion of Islam. However, the connection to doctrine is self-evident for the related term, “Islamism,” which is generally employed as a synonym for “political Islam”—the aim of which is to impose Islamic law (sharia) on society. Islamists often attempt to do this by subverting the democratic process itself, using charities, schools, and mosques to influence public opinion and secure political influence. Like any form of theocracy, Islamism treats apostasy, blasphemy, and dissent not as modern rights, but as ancient crimes—and it is, therefore, incompatible with the principles of secularism and pluralism that make open societies possible.

Jihadism is simply Islamism in its most belligerent form, freely using violence to achieve the same theocratic ends. For the jihadist, behavior which we describe as “terrorism” represents nothing less than a divine mandate for perpetual war.

While jihadists constitute a small minority among Muslims, their aspirations are perfectly orthodox—and, therefore, often widely supported. The belief that infidels and apostates are fit merely for the fires of hell, that waging holy war against them is a religious duty, and that martyrdom in this cause offers a direct path to Paradise (bypassing the torments awaiting everyone else on the Day of Judgment), are not fringe ideas within Islam—they are central. This is why the nihilistic brutality of Islamic “terrorists” can be difficult to disavow from within the faith, and why jihadism remains a theological and political menace throughout much of the world. We have seen Muslims by the tens of thousands, and in scores of countries, protest the slightest perceived insult to their faith. Where were all the protests over the countless atrocities committed by al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, and Hamas?

The spread of Islam presents a profound challenge to open societies. While we cherish tolerance as a foundational value, tolerance of intolerance eventually becomes self-destructive.2 As we struggle to defend secular, liberal values without lapsing into bigotry or xenophobia, the distinction between criticizing ideas and dehumanizing people is essential. But so is honesty: And the truth is that open societies cannot tolerate the spread of Islamic fanaticism indefinitely.

In this context, I regard Israel as a frontline state in the larger conflict between open societies and militant Islam. Whatever its flaws—and there are many—Israel remains a pluralistic democracy, committed to values that its enemies despise: free speech, women’s and LGBT rights, and scientific progress. The asymmetry here is not incidental: Israel’s critics, particularly those on the far Left, fail to grasp the difference between a flawed democracy and a death cult. Of course, they also fail to recognize the implications of such moral blindness for the societies in which they live. This is where progressive sanctimony and suicidality become indistinguishable.


In closing, I want to clarify how I think about the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians:

  1. The current war in Gaza is one of the most tragic episodes in the larger struggle between jihadism and open societies, and the suffering of Palestinians is as horrific as it is undeniable. But the proximate cause of this suffering is not merely Israeli bombs—it is the millenarian nihilism of Hamas. The war could end tomorrow if Hamas released the remaining hostages and ceased attacking Israel. This fact is consistently ignored by those who blame Israel for the devastation in Gaza.
  2. While support for Hamas appears to have diminished somewhat, polls throughout the region consistently show widespread allegiance to what has always been, explicitly, a genocidal death cult. Support for the atrocities of October 7th among Palestinians has also declined—as one might expect, given the cataclysm they unleashed upon Gaza, along with the military humiliation of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran—but it still stands at around 50 percent (59 percent in the West Bank, 38 percent in Gaza). Even in the midst of all this death and misery, Hamas still polls higher than its rivals, especially in the West Bank. Despite what we might wish to believe, there is simply no clear line of separation between a jihadist organization like Hamas and Palestinian society. We are talking about a culture that has been teaching its children to hate Jews, wage jihad, and aspire to martyrdom for decades (and they are still doing it).3
  3. Whether or not Israel has done enough to mitigate the loss of innocent life in Gaza is debatable, and I won’t be surprised if some members of the IDF are found guilty of war crimes. Worse, it seems likely that many soldiers have been routinely given jobs—the guarding of food-distribution centers, for instance—where predictable encounters with civilians have led to pointless killing. Again, much of the onus rests with Hamas, whose members dress in civilian clothing and use crowds of noncombatants as cover for their attacks. But these were lethal failures of planning for which the Israeli government remains culpable.
  4. There are also reasons to be alarmed by Israel’s current political trajectory—chief among them, the corruption of Prime Minister Netanyahu, the growing influence of religious extremists within his government, and the expansion of settlements in the West Bank. Needless to say, it would be much easier to support the Jewish state without having to issue such caveats.
  5. My support for Israel is not tribal; it is ethical. And it would require a wholesale transformation of Israeli society—an explosion of religious fanaticism, widespread support for war crimes, and other signs of its becoming a death cult—to make me indifferent between the two sides. Should such a transformation occur, the primary reason for supporting Israel would disappear. While Israel has its own religious zealots on the far Right, they do not represent Israeli society nearly to the degree that Hamas and other jihadist groups represent the will of the Palestinian people.
  6. I believe the following statement remains true: If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be peace in the region. If the Israelis put down their weapons, there would be a genocide. This asymmetry contains all the information one needs to discern the moral high ground in the Middle East. Should this difference between the two sides ever evaporate—should the IDF start perpetrating an actual genocide, for instance—so too would my primary reason for supporting Israel.4
I’ve spent much of my career debating people who do not view jihadism the way I do. (It is always telling that they do not view it the way jihadists do either.) These have been among the most boring and least productive encounters of my life. I am not a masochist. However, if my readers can find a relevant expert who understands that groups like Hamas actually believe what they say they believe—and that these beliefs are widely shared among Palestinians—but who, nevertheless, has a very different view of the conflict in the Middle East, I would be happy to engage such a person on my podcast.
 
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