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Can you imagine what Hamas would do if it has military capability that Israel has? Would any citizen of Israel be alive by now? So, they should be just appreciative of Israeli restrain after October 7.

You really need to open a book and realize that Netanyahu funded Hamas… lol

Also with decades of occupation and oppression, why do you think there’s resistance?

Israel has always been the world’s biggest dirty secret that everyone is afraid to call out.

To use the holocaust to their means, disgusting.

Harbour child rapists in the United States to seek asylum in Israel

Media manipulation for Americans soldiers yo die for their means

And do you think for a second Bibi didn’t know Oct 7th was going to happen? Lol please… they had intelligence all kinds knowing it was going to happen.

Not to mention they lied about the babies, beheadings and rapes by hamas for public sympathy. Don’t forget also they launched the Hannibal Derective which in turn killed their own citizens.

Do you need me to continue about how dirty the IDF is, zionists or the extreme right?

Oh look at that, Sondos Shalabi a 23 year old Palestinian woman who was pregnant was shot and killed by the IDF this past week.

She must have been hamas! Same with her baby.

So brave Israel
 

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You really need to open a book and realize that Netanyahu funded Hamas… lol

Also with decades of occupation and oppression, why do you think there’s resistance?

Israel has always been the world’s biggest dirty secret that everyone is afraid to call out.

To use the holocaust to their means, disgusting.

Harbour child rapists in the United States to seek asylum in Israel

Media manipulation for Americans soldiers yo die for their means

And do you think for a second Bibi didn’t know Oct 7th was going to happen? Lol please… they had intelligence all kinds knowing it was going to happen.

Not to mention they lied about the babies, beheadings and rapes by hamas for public sympathy. Don’t forget also they launched the Hannibal Derective which in turn killed their own citizens.

Do you need me to continue about how dirty the IDF is, zionists or the extreme right?

Oh look at that, Sondos Shalabi a 23 year old Palestinian woman who was pregnant was shot and killed by the IDF this past week.

She must have been hamas! Same with her baby.

So brave Israel
Yep simple logic, Israel always lies but Hamas always tells the truth
After more than 3000 Americans died in 9/11 attacks US went on killing spree for 15 years killing more than 2M Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. The ratio is about 666 to 1 for now. And guess what, there has not been any major Muslim terrorist attack on American soil for 25 years and they love America in the Middle East again. Israel lost about 1500 and Hamas claims that about 50000 Gazans were killed since October 7. The ratio is 33 to 1 and Hamas is still not deterred and holds hostages. As American experience shows there is still long way to go.
 
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Yep simple logic, Israel always lies but Hamas always tells the truth
After more than 3000 Americans died in 9/11 attacks US went on killing spree for 15 years killing more than 2M Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. The ratio is about 666 to 1 for now. And guess what, there has not been any major Muslim terrorist attack on American soil for 25 years and they love America in the Middle East again. Israel lost about 1500 and Hamas claims that about 50000 Gazans were killed since October 7. The ratio is 33 to 1 and Hamas is still not deterred and holds hostages. As American experience shows there is still long way to go.

Lol you’re making zero logic comparing 9/11
with a organization like Hamas… and you’re making it seem like every Muslim is a radical which isn’t racist at all but ok.

That’s like me saying,
well what’s the definition of a terrorist.

Well let’s use the USA dropping two atomic bombs on innocent civilians in WW2. Wouldn’t that be considered an act of terror? But we will say because it was war time it’s ok?

You’re so off base and comparing apples and oranges and missing the point.
 
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As I stated above, I have no sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza. By that I mean that they, their leaders and their brothers in Arab countries are collectively responsible for their current plight and the many mistakes they made over the past 75 years. Arab states lost three major wars fought against Israel (1948, 1967 & 1973) that were designed to eliminate Israel and restore its land exclusively to the Arab people. The Palestinians themselves have fought a 75 year long campaign of violence and terrorism against Israel and its Western allies whose goal was to intimidate Israel into granting "a right of a return" to land they lost in the first Arab-Israeli war. With each defeat they suffer, they double down on a strategy that has failed over and over again. While Israel and its people might have once seriously considered a compromise such as the "two state solution" that has been proposed many times, it is now unthinkable that the Israelis would ever consider such a solution. The right of return is a fantasy so unrealistic that no one takes it seriously. And now the Gazans can't even really return to Gaza because it has been obliterated in the war that they started on October 7, 2023. Here is a useful explanation of the Palestinians' unrealistic fantasy of a "right of return."


In 2004, the year Arafat died, he gave a speech on Nakba Day in which he reaffirmed “a sacred right of every Palestinian refugee to return to his homeland, Palestine.” No one told Arafat that the losers of wars do not dictate terms to the winners.

The final entry in IPT’s “Countering Pro-Palestine Propaganda” concerns one of the most enduring and outrageous claims in the anti-Israel toolbox: that “Palestinian refugees” have a right to claim land, houses, and apartments from which their forebears fled during the 1948 War of Independence. In truth, few of them are really refugees, most of them left their homes voluntarily, and no “Palestinian” has a right to claim anything in Israel.

In virtually every other conflict in modern history, when a war ends, refugees are resettled in other countries where they eventually become citizens. But after the 1948 war in which Israel fought off its neighbors and won its independence, the Arabs who were encouraged to leave their homes and join one of the invading armies were not allowed to become citizens of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, or Lebanon. Instead they were forced to live in “camps” – cities really – where they could be used as perpetual bargaining tools against the Jewish state. Declared “refugees,” their status was used to keep alive a war that had ended. The Arabs lost and Israel won.

As Benny Morris put it in 2008, “most of Palestine’s 700,000 ‘refugees’ fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).”

Among those overconfident Arab leaders was Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said who promised to “smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in.”

Syria’s Prime Minister, Hayed al Azm, wrote in his 1973 memoir that “we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave.”

The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem ordered women, children, and the elderly to leave in March 1948.

In August 1948, the commander of Jordan’s Arab Legion said that “Villages were frequently abandoned even before they were threatened by the progress of war.”

After the capture of Haifa, a British police officer wrote that “every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe.”

Arabs, on the other hand, dismantled or destroyed the Jewish towns and villages they conquered in the war, among them, according to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, “Beit Ha’arava and Kalya north of the Dead Sea; four kibbutzim of the Etzion Bloc, west of Bethlehem; the Jewish Quarter in Hebron; Atarot and Neve Ya’akov, north of Jerusalem; the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem; Tel Or/Naharayim - the hydro-electric power station built by Pinhas Rutenberg by the Jordan River south of Lake Kinneret; and Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip.”

Since Arabs erroneously assumed that Jews would treat them the way they treated Jews, they fled.

In order to cater to these freshly-minted 700,000 “refugees,” the United Nations created the Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) in 1949. UNRWA has since become indistinguishable from the Palestinian effort to eradicate Israel. Its schools in Gaza have long served as Hamas and PIJ missile launch pads and weapons depots and as cover for Hamas’s tunnel entrances, but now we know that the UNRWA headquarters in Gaza City was used to disguise a command center for Underground Gaza, even providing it with electricity.

UNRWA teachers, many of whom cheered on the October 7 massacre, keep alive the hatred fueling the conflict by “encouraging jihad, violence, and martyrdom, as well as promoting antisemitism, conflict discourse, hate, and intolerance,” according to the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se). Some 30-plus UNRWA employees even participated in the October 7 assault. There is video evidence of them kidnapping hostages.

The “right of return” demand means that any relative of one of the Arabs who fled in 1948 has a right to claim parts of Israel. It would amount to some 5-7 million people, now calling themselves “Palestinian,” transforming Israel into something other than Israel. Jews would be a minority in their own country. The Jewish state would cease to be the Jewish state.

When Palestinian propagandists demand their right of return, they are demanding the right to erase Israel. The symbol of that alleged right is a key, representing the keys Arabs retained to the houses they left behind in 1948. Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas regularly wears a key-shaped lapel pin, signifying his dedication to the foundational fantasy of the “Palestinian resistance.” Were it not for this fantasy, there would be a Palestinian state today.

After 1948, the best chance for that fantasy to become reality came in the offer for statehood made by Israeli PM Ehud Barak (and engineered by Bill Clinton) in 2000 at Camp David. But Arafat turned it down because it did not grant a “right of return” to Palestinians. Barak wanted to make a generous offer, but he was not going to consent to Israel’s demise. Arafat was more interested in destroying Israel than in negotiating a Palestinian state. What he could not accomplish militarily, he sought to accomplish diplomatically by forcing Israel to admit millions of “Palestinian refugees.”

As Sol Stern explains in his masterful evisceration of the “Nakba narrative,” Salman Abu Sitta, a member of the Palestine National Council, in 1998 drafted a public letter to Arafat, forcing him to pledge that no peace deal could be made without a “right of return.” The letter asserted that, “We absolutely do not accept or recognize any outcome of negotiations which may lead to an agreement that forfeits any part of the right of return of the refugees and the uprooted to their former homes from where they were expelled in 1948, or their due compensation, and we do not accept compensation as a substitute for return.” Arafat acquiesced and invented “Nakba Day” on May 15, 1998.

In 2004, the year Arafat died, he gave a speech on Nakba Day in which he reaffirmed “a sacred right of every Palestinian refugee to return to his homeland, Palestine.” No one told Arafat that the losers of wars do not dictate terms to the winners...


A.J. Caschetta, a principal lecturer at the Rochester Institute of Technology, is a Milstein Writing Fellow at the Middle East Forum and a senior fellow at the Investigative Project on Terrorism.
 
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In 2004, the year Arafat died, he gave a speech on Nakba Day in which he reaffirmed “a sacred right of every Palestinian refugee to return to his homeland, Palestine.” No one told Arafat that the losers of wars do not dictate terms to the winners.
Especially a war they started!!!!!! It's the epitome of being a sore loser. It would be like the Yankees declaring the World Series Trophy is theirs, even though the whole world watched the Dodgers drill the Yankees in the World Series.

Yet Arafat was never called out for this. Or for the hypocrisy of the Palestinians rejecting the UN proposal and rolling the dice on war that was lost so badly. The reason why those wars were lost so badly is they were outstrategied, outmaneuvered, outtechnologied, outled by the Israeli militarily leaders, and worst of all when things started to go badly for them, they scattered and ran in all directions like cowards. I know this from people who were actually on the battlefield. They were beaten militarily in every way you can be beaten. And in 1967 it was a repeat loss while armed to the teeth by the Soviet Union. It was at this point that the Arab Allies all went home licking their wounds. And that's when the terrorism started in earnest as the tactics changed and wars stopped, this after the reality that wars were not winnable was finally realized.

It's sad and pathetic that some of the puppets posting in this thread don't know they have been lied to and played and the truth portrayed to them is a pack of lies. If they can be shown the true snapshots of what happened all through history, they would all realize they are just playthings on strings.
 
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I am surprised to see how ignorant most of the people are on the subject, as if it all started in October 7. Multiple massacres, apartheid, the infamous Nakba and all the atrocities that comes with it.

The people supporting Isreal are either religious extremists that would do everything possible to pursue some kind of "prophecy" including killing every non-jewish (women and children included) in Palestine to take control of the land, or are eitheir bought by them (Aipac and all the zionist oligarchs obviously) or simply people that enjoy seeing brown people and muslims 11 000 kilometers away die.

If you still believe that after 80 years of ethnic cleansing in the region Israelis are the good people, you are not "supporting" them you are them.
What a bigotry!!!
Israeli « extremist » or religious are angels compared to those blood thristy jihadists hamas and hezbolah. No freakin comparaison neither moral equivalence.
It is so disgusting to read people blaming israelis for everything and never condemn hamas!!
 
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Why are Muslims so obsessed with Israel and the Jews? It's not about the Palestinians. Here is a good explanation:

 

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Why are Muslims so obsessed with Israel and the Jews? It's not about the Palestinians. Here is a good explanation:

Not only Arabs and Muslims but plenty of some other folks too. I know a couple of pure-laine Quebecois that are the same. They do not care about Ukraine, African wars, Yemen, Myanmar and generally anything outside Quebec, but Israel and Jews! It is like a red scarf for a bull. The old familiar antisemitism that is looking for pretext.
 

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Not only Arabs and Muslims but plenty of some other folks too. I know a couple of pure-laine Quebecois that are the same. They do not care about Ukraine, African wars, Yemen, Myanmar and generally anything outside Quebec, but Israel and Jews! It is like a red scarf for a bull. The old familiar antisemitism that is looking for pretext.
Sickos, and they end up creating the puppeteers who stoke, manipulate, and cajole some of their sycophants who are posting in this thread. Although they are disgusting, most right-minded persons don't accept this thinking as the product of any kind of balanced, reasoned assessment of what the actual historical facts are.
 

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History doesn’t interest shallow minds
If it’s too complicated or longer than a 30s reel they don’t want to hear it
Much easier to listen to the made up simple
Colonizer twisted version
 

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Can you imagine what Hamas would do if it has military capability that Israel has? Would any citizen of Israel be alive by now? So, they should be just appreciative of Israeli restrain after October 7.
Can you imagine if Israel never was created, or throughout the years stole more and more land in the Middle East?

Jewish people’s biggest enemy are far right wing Zios that only care about themselves.

They equally give zero shits about the life of a Muslim or the life of a Christian, with their conniving ways to twist the media for their cause or get other nations to do their dirty work.

And this is the difference between certain pro loving zios on this forum who have been brainwashed and how the rest of the world works is…

I’m able to admit what Hamas did was entirely wrong and don’t support that action.

But I also don’t support a country that has oppressed people for decades, treated them like dogs, stole their land, murder, etc. And time and time again find a way to justify it.
 
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Can you imagine if Israel never was created, or throughout the years stole more and more land in the Middle East?

Jewish people’s biggest enemy are far right wing Zios that only care about themselves.

They equally give zero shits about the life of a Muslim or the life of a Christian, with their conniving ways to twist the media for their cause or get other nations to do their dirty work.

And this is the difference between certain pro loving zios on this forum who have been brainwashed and how the rest of the world works is…

I’m able to admit what Hamas did was entirely wrong and don’t support that action.

But I also don’t support a country that has oppressed people for decades, treated them like dogs, stole their land, murder, etc. And time and time again find a way to justify it.
I am also able to admit that islam could be the worst of those lunacies called religion but nothing will ever justify the genocide happening now with the support of Usa and many other western countries.
 

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Can you imagine if Israel never was created, or throughout the years stole more and more land in the Middle East?

Jewish people’s biggest enemy are far right wing Zios that only care about themselves.

They equally give zero shits about the life of a Muslim or the life of a Christian, with their conniving ways to twist the media for their cause or get other nations to do their dirty work.

And this is the difference between certain pro loving zios on this forum who have been brainwashed and how the rest of the world works is…

I’m able to admit what Hamas did was entirely wrong and don’t support that action.

But I also don’t support a country that has oppressed people for decades, treated them like dogs, stole their land, murder, etc. And time and time again find a way to justify it.
look at a map and see how big israel is !!. there is so much hypocrysy being so concerned by a tiny DEMOCRATIC state surrounged by islami jihadist dictatorships, and far more human suffering and hundreds of thousands death in yemen, syria, pakistan etc etc etc that none of those propalestinian/antiisrael care about. it tells a lot about your moral compass or maybe antisemitism
you guys are just obsessed with the jews, not the palestinian suffering. palestinian suffering is all caused by their genocidal leadership from 1948!! those people don"t give a shit for a state. they had many chances .....
 
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look at a map and see how big israel is !!. there is so much hypocrysy being so concerned by a tiny DEMOCRATIC state surrounged by islami jihadist dictatorships, and far more human suffering and hundreds of thousands death in yemen, syria, pakistan etc etc etc that none of those propalestinian/antiisrael care about. it tells a lot about your moral compass or maybe antisemitism
you guys are just obsessed with the jews, not the palestinian suffering. palestinian suffering is all caused by their genocidal leadership from 1948!! those people don"t give a shit for a state. they had many chances .....
So, you ask us to look somewhere else while the tiny "democratic" Israel cleanse and genocide.
 

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So, you ask us to look somewhere else while the tiny "democratic" Israel cleanse and genocide.
So you basically just look at what you want to look at? No insight no relativism
Israel is just cleaning people who wants them dead.. don’t use the big words
 
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